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    One of the best gym battles out of all gym battles. I was a bit surprised at Brock's comment at Dragonair still able to learn Safeguard as Pokemon don't forget moves in the anime. How would Brock know about Dragonair's movelist anyway?

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    I didn't think it was very "epic". I guess that after the whole Viridian gym battle episode, I was expecting a crazy battle but all I got was more Charizard battling, which I find boring after so many episodes. I loved Clair's team though, especially Kingdra which I think stole the battle. Snorlax was good too, nice to see that it's a good battler and that it doesn't just eat and sleep like most of it's species. Overall, I thought the battle and the story were mediocre, nothing too good or bad. Ash showed a few good battle tactics but nothing that made me want to cheer for him. 6/10
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    I thought this was a good gym battle, okay not the best but I liked the battle between Charizard and Dragonair. Flaming Sesmic toss lol, yeah it's nice when they combine moves in the anime, can't do it in the games (Btw Jolteon using thunder while tackling would be Volt Tackle if you ask me)
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    Lol, I wonder if the dub title was 4Kids poking fun @ even them wondering just how long this saga was going to drag out .

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    It was a really well done gym battle. Nice to see Snorlax get some gym battle action. Flaming Seismic Toss was just incredible.

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    I liked how Snorlax preformed in this battle and I liked the way that it went down as well. A Hyper Beam to the face if I remember correctly. Of course the battle boils down to Dragonair vs. Charizard. in my opinion, Claire using Dragon Rage to counter Seismic Toss was a great counter and a very nice thing to see. For some reason though, Flaming Seismic Toss wasn't as impressive. It was good to see Ash get his eighth badge anyway.

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    This was my favorite Johto Gym Battle. I liked how Ash's 3 battling Pokemon each defeated Clair's Pokemon. It was cool seeing Dragonbreath used for the 1st time. I really liked the strategy Ash used when Snorlax was battling Kingdra. The Ice Punch to KO Kingdra was very cool. Charizard vs Dragonair was an awesome battle! I'm glad Charizard won to give Ash a victory. Is it just me, or does Dragon Rage change every time it's in an episode?

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    Cool gym battle. Cool to see Snorlax and Charizard again. Also has anyone noticed that when Charizard uses Seismic Toss on Dragonaire when it is defeated it no longer has it's horn anymore like it was destroyed or something.

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    This is (in my opinion) the best (gym) battle ever! It was nice seeing Charizard return, and also having a big role in the battle. Also, Snorlax rocked. I can't really explain it, but this is the best battle ever.

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    The animation for this episode was horrid, which I found rather distracting for the final gym battle. Gyarados and Snorlax looked horrendous.

    I particularly enjoyed the exchgange between Jessie and Meowth: "Do you smell that?" "Dat was me..." (or whatever the lines were)

    I dislike the insinuation that Ash's Johto team just ultimately is inferior to his Kanto team. Whether that's true or not, he gave in before he was even done with Johto and went back to Kanto. I'm so glad the Advanced reboot happened.

    Also, Brock makes it seem like flying resists Electric when analyzing Gyarados. What the...?
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    I really really enjoyed this episode and the gym battle. Great battle. I first have to say that Charizard, Snorlax and Pikachu are 3 of my favorite Pokemon that Ash has ever caught and I also think they are some of his most powerful so seeing all 3 of them used during this gym battle was epic. And I loved that each of them won a battle. Snorlax vs Kingdra was a very good battle. Snorlax is a beast. It's absolutely amazing how much attacks he can take and keep going. That Pokemon has such great defense and offense. It would later prove to be a powerhouse in the Johto League against Gary and Harrison. We don't get to see Snorlax that much. I love his personality and I am really glad Ash decided to use Snorlax. Pikachu was also really impressive against Gyrados. Great speed and using agility helped Pikachu to climb up to Gyrados and use its electric attacks to finish it off. Then of course Charizard vs Dragonair was amazing. That fire seismic toss at the end was great. Charizard is a fighter. I loved seeing him back with Ash since he is my favorite Pokemon from the anime. And Ash got his 8th badge which was awesome. This was a great gym battle and a really great episode. 10/10.

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    [QUOTE=Bulba the Great!;14202612]The animation for this episode was horrid, which I found rather distracting for the final gym battle. Gyarados and Snorlax looked horrendous.

    I particularly enjoyed the exchgange between Jessie and Meowth: "Do you smell that?" "Dat was me..." (or whatever the lines were)

    I dislike the insinuation that Ash's Johto team just ultimately is inferior to his Kanto team. Whether that's true or not, he gave in before he was even done with Johto and went back to Kanto. I'm so glad the Advanced reboot happened.

    Well as far as i remember Ash's Johto team is not inferior to his Kanto team.He didn't give up anything at the end of Johto,besides the fact we didn't see Snorlax battle a whole lot in the Orange Islands saga and it was good to see him in his first and only Johto gym battle,it was also good to see how much stronger Charizard has become since he left Ash's team early on in Johto and Charizard being used in this clair gym battle was really great to see how much he have improve. Advanced didn't reboot anything since he would used the Kanto team again at the end of the Advanced series...This was one hell of a epic episode.

    Also, Brock makes it seem like flying resists Electric when analyzing Gyarados. What the...?
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    [QUOTE=sereb devil;14523638]
    Quote Originally Posted by Bulba the Great! View Post
    The animation for this episode was horrid, which I found rather distracting for the final gym battle. Gyarados and Snorlax looked horrendous.

    I particularly enjoyed the exchgange between Jessie and Meowth: "Do you smell that?" "Dat was me..." (or whatever the lines were)

    I dislike the insinuation that Ash's Johto team just ultimately is inferior to his Kanto team. Whether that's true or not, he gave in before he was even done with Johto and went back to Kanto. I'm so glad the Advanced reboot happened.

    Well as far as i remember Ash's Johto team is not inferior to his Kanto team.He didn't give up anything at the end of Johto,besides the fact we didn't see Snorlax battle a whole lot in the Orange Islands saga and it was good to see him in his first and only Johto gym battle,it was also good to see how much stronger Charizard has become since he left Ash's team early on in Johto and Charizard being used in this clair gym battle was really great to see how much he have improve. Advanced didn't reboot anything since he would used the Kanto team again at the end of the Advanced series...This was one hell of a epic episode.

    Also, Brock makes it seem like flying resists Electric when analyzing Gyarados. What the...?
    They clearly said at the beginning of the episode that it was smart Ash brought in Snorlax because they knew that his Johto team would have a tough time against the dragon Pokemon. And yeah, I noticed it too when Brock said that Pikachu may have a hard against Gyrados because even though Gyrados is a water type, it is also a flying type. I don't know why Brock said that. Maybe because Gyrados can levitate, Brock thought Pikachu would have trouble reaching it with his attacks. Who know?

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    [QUOTE=Pokemaniac24;14523835]
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    They clearly said at the beginning of the episode that it was smart Ash brought in Snorlax because they knew that his Johto team would have a tough time against the dragon Pokemon. And yeah, I noticed it too when Brock said that Pikachu may have a hard against Gyrados because even though Gyrados is a water type, it is also a flying type. I don't know why Brock said that. Maybe because Gyrados can levitate, Brock thought Pikachu would have trouble reaching it with his attacks. Who know?
    Yeah it was a good move that Ash did bring his Snorlax back for this gym battle are his Johto team would have had a very tough battle on their hands,besides the fact Clair's dragon pokemon were more powerful then they look.Pikachu had a very good battle against Gyrados i will admit to that.

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    Really great gym battle this was. I loved how both Charizard and Snorlax were in this episode and how stronger Charizard became after his stay in the valley. It was a stroke of genius by using Snorlax endurance in order to tire out Kingdra. Gyrados was really strong and Snorlax put up a good fight, but it was overall already weakened by the previous fight. And when Pikachu faces Gyrados, you would assume Gyrados was - even with a type-disadvantage- dominating mostly, but how Ash used that agility on the Hydro Pump was even more genius. It was then of course a inevitable before Charizard was called out to fight against Dragonair and I absolutely loved that battle even more.

    All by all, this was a really solid gym battle and a really difficult one for Ash.

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    Excellent episode, I loved how both Charizard and Snorlax were in this episode and how stronger Charizard became after his stay in the valley. I thought Ash made a smart choice in getting Snorlax from Professor Oak. Misty's Gyarados fear was showing! I thought the fight between Pikachu and Gyrados was pretty good. The fight between Charizard and Dragonair was awesome! I was surprised that Charizard's fire evaporated all the water in the pool.

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    It was an awesome battle. Even Snorlax had a hard time against Kingdra. But, when Gyarados was trying to bite Pikachu, I wondered how could it hurt since its move didn't close? Charizard vs Dragonair was really cool as well. I liked how Clair took control when Charizard used Seismic Toss. Using Dragon Rage was really smart. Flaming Seismic Toss was smart.

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    Snorlax made this episode for me. It acted like a total "beast". Attacks bouncing off and the new Ice Punch made it awesome; plus, it's one of my favorite Pokemon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel~ View Post
    Excellent episode, I loved how both Charizard and Snorlax were in this episode and how stronger Charizard became after his stay in the valley. I thought Ash made a smart choice in getting Snorlax from Professor Oak. Misty's Gyarados fear was showing! I thought the fight between Pikachu and Gyrados was pretty good. The fight between Charizard and Dragonair was awesome! I was surprised that Charizard's fire evaporated all the water in the pool.
    When water heats up enough for a long amount of time it evaporates, so that didn't surprise me at all.
    I do think Ash made some really smart choices, basically in all the things you said. The Charizard Vs. Dragonair was, of course, by FAR the best part of the episode. xD

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    This was the best gym battle in Johto as three of his powerful Pokémon Pikachu, Lizardon and Kabigon were featured. One minor flaw is that Pikachu should have taken out Gyarados more easily and Satoshi should have switched out Kabigon. Since he knows Ice Punch which is super effective against Hakuryu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliveKoopa View Post
    One of the best gym battles out of all gym battles. I was a bit surprised at Brock's comment at Dragonair still able to learn Safeguard as Pokemon don't forget moves in the anime. How would Brock know about Dragonair's movelist anyway?
    Because the move was used in the previous episode

    Great episode! The battle was intense and TR were funny!


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    Pretty cool episode, too bad the johto mons go screwed out of a gym battle.

    i would have rather heracross noctowl, and totodile, since it was their saga.

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    Ash made such good choices, he had a good technique for the battle!


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    The Drahgonair v.s Charizard was the best one out of the three battles.
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