Yeah. Overall it was the best gym battle up to date, that team rocket was a waste of time.
The dogfight was definitely one for the record books...too bad there weren't any barrel rolls. Swellow are kickŕss Pokémon, 'nuff said.^_^ A great gym battle with nice strategy...They've pleased this birthday girl! Easy 10/10! Now for the Mind Badge; very easy in R/S, but Tate and Liza kick it up 5 notches in Emerald!@_@
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That quote gave me a good laugh. I want to see it submitted.Originally Posted by V Faction
Well, I guess God can be mentioned freely after all these years or something.
Yes, we all know Team Rocket was a waste of time but check out their disco!
No barrel rolls? That would make this already awesome battle more awesome!
And what about that C when Ash's Swellow hit Winona's Swellow? Ah, that's not really important. The BGM of the action is what really mattered.
Finally, a gym battle that doesn't have crud animation and horrible subbed music. I'm glad TR actually called it an Item Finder this time (looks at Ecruteak gym).
Oh, and I can't believe nobody's complained about Trainer's Choice yet. Baltoy is Psychic/Ground, meaning Ledian would be DOUBLY effective against it. And Meganium would work just as well as Lapras.
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This is clearly the best gym battle in AG history, and it all went very good. The TR randomness was very laughable, the whole Pikachu's Thunderbolt on Pelliper's Iron wing makes the Divining Rods point towards it (I bet those rods were magnets), shocks TR and explodes them to the top and they do the motto and then get blasted off without notice thing was funny!
But the Swellow vs. Shiny Swellow battle was easily the best part, the debut of Areial Ace attack, and the extreme battle made this easily the best battle in History (yep, not just AG).
Now as we advance to Mossdeep, Tate and Liza look like a pretty cool Dynamic Duo, and Juan is going to make this Badge Season a great one!
It was part of the special effect. Almost like when a person gets a gleam in their eye, and you see that sparkle. That "C" got produced due to such an astounding move at a precise angle.Originally Posted by Brocksketchum
Yeah, don't look into much.
You mean because of it's part Flying type, right? TC has never approached it from that defensive angle before. IF you really want to get technical, Ledian's Flying type has no bearing on the subject because the Baltoy line isn't that offensive anyway.Originally Posted by Shining Suicune
And the reason Lapras got chosen was because it's both Ice and Water. 4Kids sees it and goes "Ah-haz0rs, it must be doublely effective against it!!111!!11", where as we know that either type is just as good when fighting your average Ground type.
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Ash's Swellow made a clean hit on Winona's Swellow's wing and at high speed. Also, Winona's Swellow had taken a Leaf Blade across the back (an attack that took out Altaria).Originally Posted by CharizardMaster
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Yeah, Altaria's Japanese voice is pretty cute. I used to think they also kept Swablu's voice until the May-Swablu episode. I like 'em both though I have to say.Originally Posted by Sushi
Pelipper's always had a dub voice. Or do you mean in the grand scheme of things? Dunno. Such a high pitched sound.
Yep, I meant all Pelippers in general. I don't care much for the original voice since it isn't all that great either, but it's extremely weird that they keep voices of Pokémon that have a totally different name in the original, yet they change voices of Pokémon with the same name.Originally Posted by V Faction
Oh well, I think we already had that discussion when Typhlosion opened its mouth in 'Poetry Commotion', so I'd better keep quiet for now and just be glad 'cause of Altaria's voice
Originally Posted by Sushi
...Guh. I wanted to love this one. I really really did.
Winona has been my favorite Gym Leader for a good while now, and I've been waiting a long while for this episode, and it DID deliver in pretty much every aspect: The animation was perfect, the music was spectacular, and the voicing was pretty much dead on. Even the TR bits seemed to flow well with the rest of the episode.
But I just CANNOT wrap my head around the KO on Altaria. The double KO with Pelipper and Pikachu made enough sense (Although, Pikachu being K.O.ed by a Hydro Pump was a bit weird, it was sustained for quite a bit, so I can let it go) and I can understand the Swellow v. Swellow battle. (Let's face it, Ash's Swellow has a BOATLOAD of defensive power. I point back to the episode where Ash caught it, and the last episode for proof) But really...I know Game physics are loose at best in the anime, but a 4x Resistance should count for something. I guess I can buy that the Leaf Blade only knocked Altaria into the ground, and the impact is what did the damage...but still, it just irks me. :/
Still, in the scheme of things, I suppose that's just a minor nitpick, and I got to see the lovely Winona more or less beat the crap out of Ash. (I know Ash won, but c'mon, Winona did a LOT of effing damage to him. >_>) So I'm happy. ^_^
10/10. Now all I need to do is circulate a petition to get Winona a special episode. >.>
I tried to like it, but I found some of the KOs to be a bit difficult to grasp... TR was, yet again, nothing more than a waste of time... It wasn't a bad battle, but I was expecting more from a gym battle. There were some decent quotes here and there to help things along.
Great animation this episode.
Team Rocket was funny, yet did pretty much nothing. :/ When they were disco-ing, that was funny. Don't know how many of you noticed this, but in the background, those few random TR members were dancing, too. That cracked me up. ^^
The gym battle was nicely animated, and it was pretty interesting. That alternately colored Swellow made things interesting, and it was obvious a Swellow vs. Swellow match was coming.
I can't say this episode caught my interest that much more than other episodes, however. I rate it 7/10.
Well, that was the last gym battle of the season. Let's see what's coming between now and Tate & Liza (in both seasons).
I second this. An Ice Beam doing it, I can see, but Altaria has a 4x (4x!) resistance to Grass...Originally Posted by Wing
Yes, but it was hit with three Grass attacks, plus a high-speed impact into the ground. It really isn't that hard to believe.
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Whoa! This gym battle kicked áss!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't really complain much of this episode since it has everything I liked. One of my friends thought it was the hottest battle ever. There were parts that did crack me up that someone mentioned earlier.
Team Rocket and the disco was funny. That was crazy and this quote from earlier someone mentioned.
The sky part what Ash said was funny. Also the way MAy and Max were going bananas where they thought Ash and Swellow was going to mess up or somethin'.Originally Posted by V Faction
All battles were off the hook! It was intense, which what I like. Grovyle vs. Altaria was unexpected, Pikachu vs. Pelipper, the Steel Wing was genius! Swellow vs Swellow rocked on! One of the best battles in a while.
Winona is one the best female gym leaders in a long time. I loved her style. Her genius in Flying Pokemon made great use in the battle. I glad she gave Ash a challenge, because the made him to battle harder.
Then at the end, I liked how Ash said quote, "Oh yeah!" It sounded pretty cool to me, don't ask why.
This episode gets my 3rd 10/10.
That was an awesome episode and I loved every minute of it. Has anyone else noticed the similarity between this Gym and the last flying gym Ash went to in the Johto region? (I forget the name) Both times Ash used a grass type in a flying gym as if to mock the so-called "type advantage" however, this time it actually worked.
This battle puzzled me a lot. For instance, why would you use Grovyle against a flying Gym in the first place...unless it's gained a lot of levels. The only way I can see this happening is if all three Grass attacks scored Criticals. See, the last time I tried battling Winona with a grass-type, it got Aerial Ace'd for some 9999 damage.
The Swellow vs. Swellow matchup was interesting too. It's always one of those fights where the first one to get hit loses, basically. Especially taking into consideration how high Swellow's Evasion is and how low its Defense is. I think Winona's Swellow went into Overdrive on those Hyper Beams, then just ran out of gas as Ash's went into Overdrive.
I liked this ep and the last. Very well done.
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This episode was cool. From Grovlye PWNing Altaria to Swellow finishing the battle with Wing Attack this was probably the best gym battle so far.
Concerning the fact that Leaf Blade was able to KO Altaria. I don't think it should be an issue at all. Even if you take the type of the move into consideration, its still an obviously brutal physical-based attack. I'd imagine being slammed by that thing in the back of the neck, full force, and having it plough you into the ground from several feet above ground would be enough to KO anything. In the long run, it does make sense and shouldn't be a problem. Having that Leaf Blade NOT have the creature injured to the highest degree would just seem stupid. Realistically, that thing is going to hurt, and its going to hurt bad.
I think you people are just letting the game mechanics cloud your judgement a little too much.
This episode really made me appreciate Swellow's dub voice. It was a lot easier to warm up to this version than it was to the likes of Oosubame and its deeper-than-a-dinosaur's-grave voice. Though having said that, I do like both, and they're unique in their own awesome little ways. I'm also glad to see (or hear?) that Winona's Swellow had a slightly different voice to Ash's. It wasn't too noticable, but the difference is there.
And I comend them on keeping the original music that counts, such as the piece played duirng the last half of the match, and the Elite 4 theme.
And of course, the animation and battle was choreographed incredibly well. Ota never seem to dissapoint do they? Hell, they even made Team Rocket's rather pointless addition to the episode pretty funny. It takes some talent to make those guys amusing in a gym episode, thats for sure.
Its a shame the Gym battles in the future don't get any better than this.
Ash: "OK Swellow, use quick attack and after that use dive!"
And so, Swellow realised its dream of becoming a water pokémon. The end.
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...Several feet? That's abit of an understatement. Alteria was knocked down from a couple dozen meters. Also, did you notice a healthy difference in the wingspan between Winona's Swellow and Ash's? I'd say theye's more to that bird than a lick of paint and some cool moves.
Ahh, but I was so happy when Winona offered a prair to the sky... Just by looking at her sprite I knew that she would be a religious type...
I've said it before and I will say it again, I really don't care much for the gym battles as much as everyone else. This one was alright...However, when I saw the commercial on KidsWB throughout this week, I was kind of upset because they showed a picture of the badge being held by Ash...Kind of giving away that he was going to win...
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