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    Quote Originally Posted by JX Valentine View Post
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    ...Well, it doesn't really matter, since the protagonists hardly know anything about why they were deported ^^; Only the grunts are involved in this as guards. I'm trying to picture what happened to the people of the Baltic States after Josef Stalin came to power, which took place in the 1940s, so yeah. I just changed it to the 1960s/0s so that Pokemon Training would've become more widespread by then. Remember, Ghetsis is a rather twisted guy...

    So I've decided to scrap Ash and Dawn. I'll just replace them with OCs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flame Mistress View Post
    ...Well, it doesn't really matter, since the protagonists hardly know anything about why they were deported ^^;
    Nonetheless, they're getting forcibly ejected from their lives. Imagine if a bunch of people from the government told you you can no longer live in your house, go to your school, or do any of the things you love doing for reasons that don't make sense to you. Even more than that, these people tell you you have to go live in a terrible place and work for the rest of your life in a job you hate, and as far as you're concerned, you did absolutely nothing wrong. You'd be pretty pissed off too, right?

    I'm trying to picture what happened to the people of the Baltic States after Josef Stalin came to power, which took place in the 1940s, so yeah.
    Stalin wasn't exactly popular either, but the difference is that he was pretty paranoid. (All oppressors are on a level unless they're particularly idiotic. See the French monarchy just prior to the French Revolution for an example of the latter.) After all, one of the key concepts to his regime was that if you opposed him, you were jailed if you were lucky. Otherwise, you disappeared. That's only one of the reasons why revolution was unheard of: because if you had a good head on your shoulders, you just didn't bother opposing him. Not because you were docile, either -- because the alternative was just never being heard from again.

    The other reason was that the czar wasn't that much better. I mean, the thing was that the Russians basically went from a ruler who didn't give a crap that they were starving to a dictator who gave a marginal crap that they were starving. Stalin was ironically the lesser of two evils, despite the fact that the way he held power was frankly pretty terrifying.

    Point is, if you want to recreate a government system, that's fine, but remember that there's very intricate reasons why they worked (or didn't) historically. Pay attention to those details -- including and especially how the people reacted and why -- because those are just fundamental parts to making a dystopia work.

    I just changed it to the 1960s/0s so that Pokemon Training would've become more widespread by then. Remember, Ghetsis is a rather twisted guy...
    Doesn't really help you dodge the risks for anachronisms, though. Yes, he's twisted, but he's got methods to his madness, just like every other dictator.

    That and Pokémon training seems to be widespread no matter what era you're going for. I'm just wondering why you feel the need to set it in the past. Will that add anything in particular to the fic that you can't get out of setting it in the present? I mean, sure, you've taken out Ash and Dawn, but you still have Ghetsis hanging around, and part of his goals are apparently not going to happen in your fic.

    Point is, one of the traps writers fall into is that they attempt to fix holes in the logic of their plots by changing everything around the hole. The thing is, the hole is still going to be there, so you'll need to think about a direct solution to the issue. That's why this thread exists: to allow other writers to point out what you'll want to think about in order to make your plot work. Setting your fic further in the past isn't going to dodge the anachronism (things that are out-of-place for that time period) issue, and they're not going to help you fix the issue that Ghetsis has something missing in his motivation. Think carefully about the how and why parts of things. Why set the story in the past? Why is Ghetsis not taking extra steps to make sure the population isn't going to rise against him? Why is he ditching one major part of his plan? Things like that.

    Don't get me wrong. A dystopian Pokémon fic with Soviet undertones sounds pretty cool. I'm just saying that in order to pull it off, you'll have to think carefully about what you're doing to make the point about how hopeless the heroes' situation is at first absolutely clear (because that's one of the main points to dystopia fiction).
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    Well, it just seems nonsensical to me that this kind of fic would be set in the present days. There would be more methods to stop Ghetsis in the present days, and technology would be more advanced then, and they're gonna be deported in just old steam engines, nothing special, and steam engines in the present isn't exactly ideal. Also, the other governments would be strong enough to stop Ghetsis. I'd like to make it be set in the present days if I could, but I just don't see how I could pull it off.

    And people back then didn't have much of a choice either. When the soldiers came barging into your house, it was wither death or deportation. So you can't really ask what's going on.

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    For some reason this reminds me of an idea I had where Ghetsis was trying to overthrow the government so that he could be in charge of Unova. He did this by hacking into government systems, leaving them viruses, and televised communications, spreading lies about the current government. While he was building the Ghetsis Empire, somewhere in the region, a ninja Pokemon was out to stop him....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flame Mistress View Post
    There would be more methods to stop Ghetsis in the present days, and technology would be more advanced then,
    There were just as many methods to stop a dictator back then. One might even say they were somewhat more effective at it, considering how many governments were backed by one side of the Cold War or the other. :/ The reason why is because modern technology doesn't always mean things get easier. If anything, it means that things are just about as complicated. Communication networks can be hacked, weaponry can be just as deadly (I mean, nuclear weaponry existed as early as WWII, after all), and transportation hasn't really changed all that much since the 60's. Even then, keep in mind that this is the Pokémon world, so at least one of those (looking at the weaponry category, to be specific) probably wouldn't be as advanced as it is in the real world. And would still be nullified by the presence of a godlike dragon.

    Point is, modern-day technology is a moot point because modern doesn't necessarily mean more convenient. It just means there's different challenges, and unless you're willing to do in-depth research in terms of culture and the way tech/networks/espionage/politics worked back then (because, yes, politics wasn't exactly the same beast back in the 60's), you're presenting yourself with more risks by setting your story that far in the past thanks to, as I've said, the anachronism issue.

    and they're gonna be deported in just old steam engines, nothing special,
    Trains still exist, but modern ones are diesel or electric. In fact, it should be noted that (in the US at least), steam engines have been discontinued... in 1960. Steam engines just don't have as much power compared to diesel; it's a lot like attempting to ride a horse when you could ride a car. First-world cultures in the 60's generally had that in mind when it came to transportation. Pretty much every mode of transportation became streamlined and reinvented so that people could travel faster over longer distances.

    That's pretty much one of the reasons why using a setting from the past is riskier. You have to do a lot of research in order to make sure your facts are correct. Otherwise, you might as well be setting your fic in the present because if you have enough anachronisms, it's going to show.

    Also, the other governments would be strong enough to stop Ghetsis.
    Um... yeah, you'll probably want to do a bit more research in modern politics (especially if you're going to be writing about politics either way). Modern governments aren't that much more stable. Back then, people actually took the US seriously, but now... let's just say modern politics are very entertaining (for all the wrong reasons).

    Back in the 60's, meanwhile, there was the Cold War. You had not one but two massive political superpowers in a constant stalemate with each other, occasionally dragging other countries along for the ride. (Poor Germany.) Modern politics just looks like a mess in comparison with how intense the Cold War was, so suffice to say, yes, it's entirely possible for a government of the 60's to side-eye Ghetsis and say, "If you're not on our side, stfu."

    I'd like to make it be set in the present days if I could, but I just don't see how I could pull it off.
    Research. You'll have to do a lot of it either way.

    And people back then didn't have much of a choice either. When the soldiers came barging into your house, it was wither death or deportation. So you can't really ask what's going on.
    ...It's exactly the same as it is today. If people barged into your house and told you at gunpoint right now that you have to pack up your things and go, how would you react? Hint: I'm really, really hoping your response isn't "fight back against the guy with the gun when I don't have a gun myself."

    Actually, there's even a comparable situation: ACTA. And, well, every other invasion of privacy and violation to the freedom of speech within the past ten years. In fact, governments seem to have an easier time doing that now than they did back then thanks to security measures on everything and the fact that someone's pretty much always watching you these days. Back then, if you so much as attempted to invade a country without the public's consent, you had a solid, coherent mass of civilians pounding at your door the next day. (See the Vietnam War and the hippie movement.)

    Point is, you're giving the past less credit than it deserves here, and you're assuming that the present world doesn't encounter the same problems the past has. In fact, humans have this unfortunate tendency to make the same mistakes over and over again, just with shinier toys. On top of that, modern culture and the mindset of the population is completely different now than it was back then, so even if you try to create a character from the 60's, you have to do a ton of research into the culture of that world to understand what people were like back then. (For example, people were generally more open and sociable with each other and their community back then than they are now. Yes, even when taking into consideration the aftermath of McCarthyism. Back then, households in a neighborhood might have known each other just about as well as people know their own family members, but these days, it might be something if you have a decent relationship with your neighbors.)

    In other words, you've got to do a lot of research if you're going to be setting your story in the 60's. Plain and simple. It seems to me like you're jumping to a lot of conclusions, and that's going to get in your way on a serious level if you try to write a historical/political fanfic.
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    Sorry if this seems to be a rather random thought, but I'm a huge fan of dinosaurs. I read about them, I draw them, I play video games about them, etc. I even write about them! A while back, I wrote a couple short stories focusing on specific prehistoric animals, not all of which were dinosaurs, in specific habitats. They were written out documentary-style. The mini-series was called "A Day In The Life Of..." I was thinking of continuing the series, but, since each story was so short, I decided to make it into a series of short stories. Does anyone like my idea?
    Also, Ghetsis taking over the government and being stopped by a ninja Pokemon sounds awesome.
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    Okay, Ga'hoolefan, since that idea seems to be a complex yet interesting concept for a story, someone with a lot of talent and experience in writing should help you out. Since it looks like none of those people are going to post, I'll throw in my two cents instead.

    Like I said, the idea has potential. Documentaries are hard to pull off in an entertaining way, but if you do them right, they're some of the best stuff out there. Prehistoric animals are always a good way to go. Interesting animals, so the possibility of boring your readers goes down. While only a select audience would probable read them, the ones who would would love them if they were written well. Sorry if this post made no sense at all, but anyway, I like the idea, and I might read it if you do post it here.
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    So, with Pokemon Conquest on the horizon in the USA, I thought, why not incorporate it in the anime world?

    Rather than Ash and co. rubbing shoulders with Nobunaga and the other warlords, I decided to make Ransei my imagined Pokeworld's go to setting for TV shows, stage plays, and the occassional video game. A new drama showing a female warrior's adventures in Ransei premieres on TV, and Ash and the gang faithfully watch week in and week out, creating a frame for the story:

    Normal text is Ash and co. reacting to the show's events, providing MST3K-esque commentary on cheesy moments and yelling "advice" to the characters.

    Italic text like this would be the world of the TV show.

    I have two ways I'm considering designing the TV show: typical anime/Asian drama, or a Chinese-esque opera adapted for the screen--leaning towards the typical anime/drama route.

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    I had this idea a while ago, but I didn't reconsider it. Let's see does it look good type out:
    Danielle Smeed and Quentin Wreck, or as they called themselves, Dani and Rek, like to think they joined Team Rocket for the evil gred purposes. They didn't, they were both simply having money problems. After another random kid destroyed Team Rocket, they were arrested, because they were in the wrong place in the wrong time. But they did escape. They didn't plan it. But when you have completely incompetent police officers, abandoned hovering scooters, and are right beside a burning van, hey, what can you do? thus, the two went out, trying to discreetly bring back team Rocket for a third time. The two were not friendly- what with Dani's Persian-obsession, her insistence that because she was a first-generation Rocket member she was obviously better and habit of getting into absurd misadventures, and what with Rek's arrogance, his cynicism, and that he feels like he's traveling with a person who is as useful as a pebble, they didn't get on at all.

    But, just when they were getting to the good part of their plans to revive the Rockets, who shows up but some stuck-up syndicate who calls themselves Cipher and flash about their stupid Shadow Pokémon. The random annoying ten-year-olds aren't even in the regions anymore. Dani and Rek know this is their job- of course, they couldn't let these guys get by! World domination was Team Rocket's goal! Abusing Pokémon was their thing! And Kanto and Johto was THEIR turf! No way was some second-rate bunch of crooks from a region full of thugs going to steal their plans. And thus, many-a misadventure begun. Dani and Rek agree to work together in order to stop these Cipher crooks, and assure themselves they're just doing this as a sidestep, so Operation Rocket Revival will go as planned. Because they're 100% evil. Just ignore their actions, because Dani and Rek are evil, in-and-out, in body and soul. E-V-I-L.

    But the duo soon learn, that karma can come back to get you...but not in the way one presumes.

    In short, as JX Valentine said below, the story is basically, "a pair of Rocketeers go around and accidentally do good because Cipher is in their way".


    How does that sound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlamingRuby View Post
    So, with Pokemon Conquest on the horizon in the USA, I thought, why not incorporate it in the anime world?

    Rather than Ash and co. rubbing shoulders with Nobunaga and the other warlords, I decided to make Ransei my imagined Pokeworld's go to setting for TV shows, stage plays, and the occassional video game. A new drama showing a female warrior's adventures in Ransei premieres on TV, and Ash and the gang faithfully watch week in and week out, creating a frame for the story:

    Normal text is Ash and co. reacting to the show's events, providing MST3K-esque commentary on cheesy moments and yelling "advice" to the characters.

    Italic text like this would be the world of the TV show.

    I have two ways I'm considering designing the TV show: typical anime/Asian drama, or a Chinese-esque opera adapted for the screen--leaning towards the typical anime/drama route.

    How bout it? Feasible?
    I would read the mess out of Ash and company MSTing anything, just so you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Jirachi View Post
    I had this idea a while ago, but I didn't reconsider it. Let's see does it look good type out:
    Danielle Smeed and Quentin Wreck, or as they called themselves, Dani and Rek, like to think they joined Team Rocket for the evil gred purposes. They didn't, they were both simply having money problems. After another random kid destroyed Team Rocket, they were arrested, because they were in the wrong place in the wrong time. But they did escape. They didn't plan it. But when you have completely incompetent police officers, abandoned hovering scooters, and are right beside a burning van, hey, what can you do? thus, the two went out, trying to discreetly bring back team Rocket for a third time. The two were not friendly- what with Dani's Persian-obsession, her insistence that because she was a first-generation Rocket member she was obviously better and habit of getting into absurd misadventures, and what with Rek's arrogance, his cynicism, and that he feels like he's traveling with a person who is as useful as a pebble, they didn't get on at all.

    But, just when they were getting to the good part of their plans to revive the Rockets, who shows up but some stuck-up syndicate who calls themselves Cipher and flash about their stupid Shadow Pokémon. The random annoying ten-year-olds aren't even in the regions anymore. Dani and Rek know this is their job- of course, they couldn't let these guys get by! World domination was Team Rocket's goal! Abusing Pokémon was their thing! And Kanto and Johto was THEIR turf! No way was some second-rate bunch of crooks from a region full of thugs going to steal their plans. And thus, many-a misadventure begun. Dani and Rek agree to work together in order to stop these Cipher crooks, and assure themselves they're just doing this as a sidestep, so Operation Rocket Revival will go as planned. Because they're 100% evil. Just ignore their actions, because Dani and Rek are evil, in-and-out, in body and soul. E-V-I-L.

    But the duo soon learn, that karma can come back to get you...but not in the way one presumes.


    How does that sound?
    Interesting, but just so we're clear, the summary is "a pair of Rocketeers go around and accidentally do good because Cipher is in their way," right? If so, this should be rather hilarious to watch, and I can safely say it's something fresh and different. Good luck!

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    @JX Valentine Yes, that's it. I should add that to the bottom so people don't have to read an absolutely huge wall of text~
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    I read the wall of text and the shortened description. It sounds great to me!
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    Yes, I know, I know, you're all facepalming behind your screens because it's old FM back with another probably impossible plot. But really.

    So, while I was reading through the plot of an RPG (if you're interested, it's Alternate: The Uprising), this idea randomly popped into my head - and I can assure you, it's not related to that RPG whatsoever. I thought about how the Nurse Joys all said the same thing every time you talked to them, so I came up with a theory that they were actually robots - or more specifically, androids, designed to basically be programmed slaves of humanity whose sole existence was only to heal the Pokemon of trainers (keep in mind that this takes place in Gameverse, not Animeverse). I then thought about them growing intelligent over time, beginning to understand human speech and gaining the ability to think, and that they became so intelligent, they almost became real humans, with the ability to speak freely, move freely, think freely, and even convey emotions. They then begin plotting against humanity (well, Sinnoh, really, since that's where they originate from), and they inject a virus they manage to develop to the Pokemon they treat, which has deadly effects, and is highly infectious.

    Then I thought of some things that could happen in the story, and I thought of these things:
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    @Flame Mistress I actually quite like your idea! I like the idea of using the Sinnoh trio (Dawn, Lucas and Barry I mean) as characters. And if you can pull it off it should be a good idea.

    Of course, I'm the type of person who has a tendency to skim over most plot holes, so I might not be the most insightful person. :P
    But anyways, in my opinion is that it should be interesting to watch if you can pull it off. Good luck!

    (On an unrelated note, even though that fic idea I mentioned earlier is ready to go should I post it, but I can't find a good title. At all.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Jirachi View Post
    @Flame Mistress I actually quite like your idea! I like the idea of using the Sinnoh trio (Dawn, Lucas and Barry I mean) as characters. And if you can pull it off it should be a good idea.

    Of course, I'm the type of person who has a tendency to skim over most plot holes, so I might not be the most insightful person. :P
    But anyways, in my opinion is that it should be interesting to watch if you can pull it off. Good luck!

    (On an unrelated note, even though that fic idea I mentioned earlier is ready to go should I post it, but I can't find a good title. At all.)
    If you're really stuck, go for something like "The (Mis)Adventures of Dani and Rek" or something like that.

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    Ok here is an idea I've been considering for a while. I'm not 100% sure that either a) It would be interesting enough, b) If I could keep it going (because its not like all my previous stories have died before *sarcasm*) or c) I would be able to execute it correctly.

    Anyway the story is about a 37 year old man who works for a business in Saffron City. He works at the desk, doing boring stuff like making spreadsheets.

    At home he lives with his wife, 13 year old son and 8 year old twins daughters. His wife knows about his past, but his children don't. Eventually the son convinces his father to tell him about his past.

    The father tells his son about when he was younger... when he was a Team Rocket grunt. Every night he tells his son a different part of his story as being part of team Rocket.

    The story is practically our main character coping with his life as shadows of the past catch up with him and us going through the story of the simple Rocket Grunt.


    The name, for the story, so far is 'A Simple Grunt'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charizardfan900 View Post
    Ok here is an idea I've been considering for a while. I'm not 100% sure that either a) It would be interesting enough, b) If I could keep it going (because its not like all my previous stories have died before *sarcasm*) or c) I would be able to execute it correctly.

    Anyway the story is about a 37 year old man who works for a business in Saffron City. He works at the desk, doing boring stuff like making spreadsheets.

    At home he lives with his wife, 13 year old son and 8 year old twins daughters. His wife knows about his past, but his children don't. Eventually the son convinces his father to tell him about his past.

    The father tells his son about when he was younger... when he was a Team Rocket grunt. Every night he tells his son a different part of his story as being part of team Rocket.

    The story is practically our main character coping with his life as shadows of the past catch up with him and us going through the story of the simple Rocket Grunt.


    The name, for the story, so far is 'A Simple Grunt'
    Before I dive into your actual idea, let me just say that for a story to be interesting to anyone else, it needs to interest you. If you aren't sure, then maybe you should set it aside as just an unused plot bunny until it truly does interest you. The way I look at it, there are ideas that you like, and then there are ideas that wake you up at two in the morning and will not leave you alone, ever. The difference is the former will only interest you for a small period of time. You'll go, 'hey, this could be a neat idea', write it down, and then after a couple of weeks you'll forget about it. Maybe you'll even get a couple chapters of it written and find it isn't what you really wanted it to be.

    The latter, on the other hand, will bug the crap out of you for months, or at least until you've got half the story planned out and possibly written. These are the ideas that you've looked at and said to yourself 'this could really be something fun,' and have an entire folder/binder dedicated to keeping its notes all in order. (You don't necessarily have to be as hardcore as that, but you get the idea that it's something that doesn't just up and leave you.) These are the ideas that you want to hold on to, then come here and show us for some constructive feedback.

    If you truly seem to like the idea of what you have, but it just doesn't seem to hold your interest, set it aside for a while. Maybe you'll come up with some inspirational twist that does make it interesting later, and you'll pick it back up. Who knows? Until then, find something that interests you now and keep this one tucked away for future use. Worst case scenario it never gets used or you put it up for adoption.


    Anyway, moving on with your actual idea - it doesn't really seem like your heart's in it yet. It comes across as very generic, and not all that compelling. Why do we care that this man was a Team Rocket grunt? The main character 'coping with his life as shadows of the past catch up with him' sounds typically dark and angst-y and doesn't especially set yourself apart from everyone else.

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    I have a fan fic idea but I am not entirely sure whether or not I gonna write it so instead I want to hear you guys opinion on the whole thing. If what I have is well-received then I might make this into a full-fledged fan fic but that's all up to you guys. So without me going further into this here it is:

    A mysterious virus has infected the creatures known as Pokémon causing them to act on their most primal instincts even turning violent against their trainers. In an effort to stop the disease from spreading, the city by the name of Ever Grande has been put in quarantine and the tourney that normally takes place within the city has been postponed indefinitely until a cure is found. Our hero, who has just recently moved into the Ever Grande City now stricken with fear and chaos, and company try to uncover the mysterious behind this mysterious virus who cause it. To make matters worse a group calling themselves Veritas claim to have a cure but in return they want free reign over the city. What is this mysterious virus and does Veritas really have cure? All bets are off and no one is safe. All truths will be revealed in Pokemon Viral.

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    I have a fan fic idea but I am not entirely sure whether or not I gonna write it so instead I want to hear you guys opinion on the whole thing. If what I have is well-received then I might make this into a full-fledged fan fic but that's all up to you guys. So without me going further into this here it is:

    A mysterious virus has infected the creatures known as Pokémon causing them to act on their most primal instincts even turning violent against their trainers. In an effort to stop the disease from spreading, the city by the name of Ever Grande has been put in quarantine and the tourney that normally takes place within the city has been postponed indefinitely until a cure is found. Our hero, who has just recently moved into the Ever Grande City now stricken with fear and chaos, and company try to uncover the mysterious behind this mysterious virus who cause it. To make matters worse a group calling themselves Veritas claim to have a cure but in return they want free reign over the city. What is this mysterious virus and does Veritas really have cure? All bets are off and no one is safe. All truths will be revealed in Pokemon Viral.

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    Sounds good. How you write it will decide if it IS good. But I'd be happy to read that.
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