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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetra View Post
    They are alive. They perceive reality just like we do. They deserve to live.
    Well technically, we're talking about a cartoon, so they aren't alive. I'll just agree to disagree.

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    This movie was dark and atmospheric, mostly because of Mewtwo's presence. No other Pokemon movie has come close to re-creating that feeling of deep tension. It sure beats a lot of other anime movies, that's for sure. I loved the opening battle between that random Donphan guy and Ash.

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    I am really curious about the original intended script for the first movie. Here's a link to a piece of one of the only Youtube bits of the first trailer availabe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjFwpVbZDow. I hope one day we get a look at that old original script

    Something a bit amusing is that 4Kids didn't censor Mewtwo's massacre. Pretty obvious he murdered all the scientists who made him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alloutℯ View Post
    I loved the opening battle between that random Donphan guy and Ash.
    The Team Aqua grunt wannabe? Apparently in the Jpn version, he spoke English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wednesdayz View Post
    Well technically, we're talking about a cartoon, so they aren't alive. I'll just agree to disagree.
    That is purposely missing the point to disagree. It does not matter if they are fictional. Then Ash and the others according to that logic also have no rights in their own world "because in our world they are not alive". It is really basic, self-explanatory psychology. They are conscious. They are alive and treating them like second-class is horrible. No one asks to be born, no matter which way.
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    I went through and reviewed all the Pokefilms on Tumblr not too long ago, all out of order; figured I'd share thoughts here, in order.

    Let’s get this out of the way: like any kid who grew up with Pokemon in the late 90s, I have a big ol’ soft spot for this flick, but if I step back and look at it critically, Mewtwo Strikes Back is no masterpiece, or even an especially good pokefilm.

    The pace, suspenseful and steadily building in the front half of the story, gets funky once our heroes reach Mewtwo’s island. The big battle between Pokemon and clones isn’t all that exciting IMO, save the Mew/Mewtwo duel. The American soundtrack has some questionable pieces. There’s little memorable about the CotDs, and unlike later films, there’s no real effort to involve them in the plot. Misty and Brock have nothing to do once they get to the island. Setting precedent early, Team Rocket are only here to eat up screen time and distract from the plot. And the inexplicable magic tears are still one of the dumbest things ever cooked up by 90s’ family programming to avoid a character death.

    (And everyone talks about the lameness of the concept, but there’s another stupid thing about it: why aren’t Ash’s friends crying!? “Tower of Terror” had been produced and released by this point - we saw how Misty and Brock react to the idea that Ash might be dead. They can’t spare anything comparable to that when he’s turned into stone!? And when the magic tears start to work, all they do is stand there and look confused!? I don’t blame 4Kids for having such a hard time figuring out what Misty’s line should be in that scene - the source animation gave them nothing to suggest any sort of emotion! Sadly, this lack of reaction by the human characters to their fellow man’s peril repeated more than once over the years.)

    And yet…in some ways, Mewtwo Strikes Back is the most admirable out of all of these movies. And not just because of its delightfully creepy art direction.

    Think about it - you’ve got an anime based on a successful game that, as far as you know, will have the standard year-and-a-half run before closing shop. Some on the staff might hope for an extension, but there’s no guarantee of that, nor of this rather strange Pokemon concept continuing on past the second game already in production. As far as you know, this is going to be the only movie of the franchise. And what do Takeshi Shudo and staff decide to do with this one shot at the cinema?

    Oh, just spend the prologue setting up the tragic backstory of a genetic mutation that kills its creators, briefly serves the crime lord that’s haunted the series, and then decides to set out for revenge on all humanity. In Japan, they threw in an even more tragic element to Mewtwo’s story by having him befriend a human child’s spirit that ends up dying on him.

    That is some gutsy screenwriting.

    Eighteen films and two decades later, Mewtwo is still probably the best Pokemon character that the movies have given us. He’s morally grey, evolves throughout the film, had great VAs, and drives the story in a much more direct way than many of his successors did. The issues of purpose, prejudice, and reconciling with the world that he struggles with are a bit heavy-handed in the final execution, but they’re fantastic concepts.

    And if Ash doesn’t really have a role beyond reacting to the situation he’s thrown into, he does so in a much more fluid and organic way than in later films. He doesn’t arbitrarily take over combating the threat or save the day on his own; rather, stuck in a bad situation, he makes the best choices he can and affects things when he can. Outside the stupid, stupid ending, it’s a very nice role for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zdbz_sn View Post
    He’s morally grey, evolves throughout the film, had great VAs, and drives the story in a much more direct way than many of his successors did..
    Mewtwo did drive the story here, although perhaps in an overbearing sort of way. The majority of the plot seemed to be about Mewtwo showing off his amazing abilities while Satoshi and his friends stood around doing reaction shots, which quickly became tiresome.

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    Mewtwo's creation story was so sad especially when Ambertwo died. I just wish those scenes had stayed in the English copy of the movie. When Ash died, I felt so bad even though I knew he'd be revived somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daizy View Post
    Mewtwo's creation story was so sad especially when Ambertwo died. I just wish those scenes had stayed in the English copy of the movie.
    The Aitwo scenes were dubbed when this movie was being translated into English, but they weren't released in the United States until the "Mewtwo Returns" VHS/DVD was produced. I liked those scenes, although they were an ominous way of starting this movie in the Japanese version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zdbz_sn View Post
    Oh, just spend the prologue setting up the tragic backstory of a genetic mutation that kills its creators, briefly serves the crime lord that’s haunted the series, and then decides to set out for revenge on all humanity..
    I never understood why Mewtwo was following Giovanni's orders in the prologue since he was strong enough to do anything and he didn't need to be a servant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alloutℯ View Post
    I never understood why Mewtwo was following Giovanni's orders in the prologue since he was strong enough to do anything and he didn't need to be a servant.
    Mewtwo hadn't developed his own ego when he first met Sakaki since he was essentially a newborn when they first had contact. It took Mewtwo some time to develop his own desires and finally leave Sakaki when he decided to figure out his true purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izanagi View Post
    So I saw the original Japanese version of this movie out of Dogasu's recommendation and I have to say it was brilliant. Far superior to the English dub in almost every way with one execption. I do like the line "The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are" from the dub but the only thing. The Japanese seiyuu Masachika Ichimura from Mewtwo was excellent and overall gave a better performance than the late Phillip Bartlett no offense to him however. The late Shudo Takeshi really did craft one helluva movie.
    Very old post, I know, but just yesterday did I find out that Jay Goede, aka: Philip Bartlett, is STILL ALIVE AND WELL! Apparently, people found that out just 3 years ago. This makes me one happy Pokemon fan for sure!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platina2000 View Post
    Very old post, I know, but just yesterday did I find out that Jay Goede, aka: Philip Bartlett, is STILL ALIVE AND WELL! Apparently, people found that out just 3 years ago. This makes me one happy Pokemon fan for sure!!!
    I'd heard the rumor that he had died as well, so I was glad when it was revealed that he was indeed still alive. Granted, his performance as the voice of Mewtwo in this movie's English dub was a bit hammy, yet he still did a decent job.

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