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    Suicune was kinda pointless here until the very end, so I don't think he should've even appeared for most of the film, but I liked the villain's mask and the giant vine monster.

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    Celebi almost dying was sad and the plot twist of Sammy being Oak when he was young was the best film moment for me. 7.5/10

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    I liked Sammy's old Poke balls and I kind of figured that he was Oak from the past halfway through the film hee hee. Celebi was adorable when it ate the fruit and I disliked the masked guy for the way he was misusing Celebi's powers.

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    I think this movie was great. Good villain, Suicune appearing and Celebii as the main focus. I give this an 9/10 for effort.

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    Celebi's giant vine form looked a little like Darkrai and I thought Suicune should've been replaced by Raikou.

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    I remember watching this some time ago but the paradox with Oak meeting Ash due to time travel seemed interesting though. To be honest, I was freaking out from the giant Celebi vine 'robot' thing and was relieved that Celebi was eventually saved by literally millions of other Celebis from the other times. But I wished that Suicune got more screentime in this movie though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega Altaria View Post
    To be honest, I was freaking out from the giant Celebi vine 'robot' thing and was relieved that Celebi was eventually saved by literally millions of other Celebis from the other times.
    Those deus ex machina Celebi's were the low point of this movie because they revived Celebi so easily. I don't see why Celebi's death had to be reversed in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonstardust View Post
    and I thought Suicune should've been replaced by Raikou.
    But Suicune made more sense I think cuz it helped serve as Crystal version promotion. Plus it had the power to purify dirty water, which was an important plot device here.

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    Eh, I didn't mind Suicune's involvement here, though in the end it hardly did anything noteworthy. I mean compared to Entei in the Unown movie, Suicune was like a background character here lol.

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    I enjoyed this film when I saw it, and it's in my Top 5 for these flicks, but I never felt up to writing a full review of it. I just collected some notes, such as:

    - Why was Brock the narrator at the beginning?

    - The OS films seemed to aspire to a much more…well, cinematic scope than their successors. There’s a much grander scale to the art direction, there’s more ambition in the directing in terms of multiplane and moving camera, and the layout of the plots feels much less episodic, in the first five films compared to most of those from later gens.

    - I’d also argue that, in terms of thematic material, the OS (and Lucario) were less afraid to go there. The Sinnoh trilogy, on paper, deals with some weighty concepts; the breakdown of Space-Time and the wrath of God. But, partly because the scope and scale of those films is less grand, partly because the tone is lighter and the final consequences less extreme, and partly because the character reactions to rather dramatic events in those movies are so muted, the full power of such concepts doesn’t really land, especially not in The Jewel of Life, where Arceus came off as so…well, mundane IMO. Contrast that with the OS films. Mewtwo’s (cut in the West) origins actually go there in talking about issues of birth shaping identity, and the film later brutally shows the conflicts that can result when we let differences and old grudges blind us (and there was, y’know, the fact that a little girl dies, Mewtwo kills a whole bunch of scientists, and Ash’s death gets a huge reaction, even with its contrived out.) The worldwide scale of the disruption of nature caused by the Bird Trio in Revelation Lugia is illustrated on-screen and the heavy weight put on Ash’s shoulders by the prophecy is clearly felt by him. Molly’s trauma at losing her family, and the dangerous implications of the power she was given, are on display throughout the third film. And in 4Ever, not only do we get several stark examples of the power of dark balls (most notably in the corruption of Celebi) and another “disruption of nature” plot, but Celebi actually dies. That little point in the plot gets a pretty big reaction from the cast, and it’s earned. There’s an out for that death too, but it’s…well, I was gonna say “better” but…it’s less stupid than Ash’s revival in Mewtwo Strikes Back. The “friendships standing the test of time” thing had a great payoff too.

    - Could just be the forest setting and giant twig monster, but this one seemed to have a heavy Miyazaki influence.

    - Hey, look at that! A film besides Revelation Lugia that gives the TRio a reason to be in the movie! Not nearly as entertaining or interesting a reason, but a reason!

    - Misty and Brock, and arguably Ash as well, didn’t have a whole lot to do in the first movie, that clearly being Mewtwo’s story. Ash was the only one of the three to really become involved in that plot in a big way as something of a deus ex machina, though unlike in the Sinnoh trilogy, he becomes involved because the real focus character, Mewtwo, chose to involve him, rather than Ash just stumbling into a mess. Revelation Lugia, of course, made Ash a prophetic hero, and gave Misty the biggest role I’ve seen a travelling companion get in these movies, while Spell of the Unown gave both companions time to shine even as the story focused on Ash again. 4Ever is the first of these movies that seems to have fallen into the trap of having Ash and friends be incidental to the story in progress. Ash doesn’t even save the day here; he’s just Sam’s back-up. And his travelling companions have one of their least impressive turns here. At least in the Sinnoh trilogy, Dawn was usually involved as Ash’s back-up, even if Brock was neglected. Brock and Misty here both just get screwed over for content.

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    The forest setting used as this movie's backdrop was amazing. It didn't get tiresome no matter how much time Satoshi and Yukinari spent there protecting the Celebi. Vicious was a good villain as well. He lacked depth, but he was threatening enough throughout the movie that it hardly mattered. Celebi's "death" and subsequent revival always makes me tear up.

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