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    For the last time, there is not enough evidence to prove who kissed Satoshi one way or the other. So Kanon left her hat behind, she could have gone anywhere in the city. It is possible that she simply wasn't wearing her hat at the time.
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    well:

    1) it shown her with her hat off and she always wears her hat
    2) earlier on in the movie it shown her drawing, it never shown latias painting
    3) she gave Ash a drawing
    4) it shown Latias flying in the sky with the latios', no one can get realy high up so fast not even Latias

    I still belive it was her but everyone is intitled to their own opinion, but the only evidence againts that was she didnt talk, could have been a trick to make Ash thinkk it was Latias
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    But none of those ideas really prove anything either.

    1) So we've always seen Kanon with her hat, but that doesn't mean she wears it every every waking moment. There are times when Satoshi has been seen without his hat.
    2&3) Anyone could have taken the drawing and given it to Satoshi. If Bongore/Lorenzo had given him the drawing would you say it was actually Kanon because she's the one who draws all the time? >_>
    4) As shown in the opening that was cut from the dub, there are many more Latias and Latios than the ones in Alto Mare. The Latias Satoshi saw flying over could have been any Latias.

    I do agree on you with you on one thing though - it just depends on your opinion. Trying to prove who it was is useless since it's impossible to tell given only the clues that were in the movie.
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    I finaly got this today! It was good ^^
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    I really love this movie, it's my #1 favorite, and the thing with ending it doesn't show clearly who kissed ash I think it was like that so kids and adults who like poke'mon to have their own opinion some say it was latias some say it was Bianca, but it all comes down to it theres no telling.
    In the japenese version did Bianca show anything to make you think she liked ash enough to kiss? Latias seemed to like ash alot more least on us version. =\

    Where's a good website that sells japanese pokemon movies? I'm hoping to get most poke'mon movies japanese versions be neat to compare and see origanal.

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    This was totally awsome and it was only released in the uk yesterday 13th june 05 and i think i was the best film i have seem and it was latios that said thank u to ash and he does not what love means anyway?

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    pokemon heroes was awesome, i even bought it

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    yeah it was totally awsome and it was upser when latias sacrifed himself it was so upsetting
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    Getting a bit confused? It was Latios that died, not Latias.
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    I've looked in every freaking shop in my local town and I STILL can't find Pokemon Heroes on DVD! Ugh! In fact, HMV is the only place where I can seem to find any Pokemon DVDs at all!

    ... Have they gone and phased out Pokemon DVDs in the UK or something? At this rate, I'm going to have to just buy off Amazon... T_T

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    Latios' death scene was sort of disapointing. Come on, someone. He's your friend/brother, at least look a little sad.

    Annie and Oakley rocked, though.
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    Since I do not watch this movie -Heroes .But I think that This movie is to descride how to be real hero. Ash, like Aragorn in The Lord of The Ring 3 ,can de a real hero . Lapia and Lapio are the brother and sister. Help Ash to fight against with Ememies .Ash need to protect them and the sea .
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    OK, I've watched the film today as it was recently released in the UK, and although I thought it was absolutely excellent, I'm confused about some parts of the storyline;

    1. What were the motives of Annie and Oakley? Oakley wanted to control the world and Annie wanted the Soul Dew?
    2. What was the purpose of the DMA? How did it get there?
    3. If it is a DEFENSE mechanism, why did a huge wave almost hit the city?
    4. What happened at the end? Did Latios jnr die, only we see him and Latios snr flting at the end. Is it their spirit or something?

    Here's what I thought was good about the film:

    1. Great music - the best bit was when Ash was chasing Latias near the start
    2. Good setting
    3. I especially liked the moving shots between the streets

    Here is what I didn't like about the film:

    1. It was poorly animated in some areas. Am I the only one who thought that the characters lips were moving way out of line with the voice overs?
    2. The DMA looked weird
    3. The film was far too short
    4. Team Rocket had a minor role. They were not the source of most humour unlike in previous films where I thought they were great
    5. Why was the film based overwhelmingly on Ash - Misty and Brock barely had any role at all?
    6. Am I the only one who thought that Latios and Latias looked a bit strange? They had these funny little arm things and wings that didn't move!

    Overall, my second favourite film, only second to Movie 2000, which really benefits from the advanced in animation, although it is poorly done in some areas. 9/10

    Can anyone tell me the name of the track when Ash is chasing Latias to the secret garden, as it is so catchy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitcher_ross
    1. What were the motives of Annie and Oakley? Oakley wanted to control the world and Annie wanted the Soul Dew?
    2. What was the purpose of the DMA? How did it get there?
    3. If it is a DEFENSE mechanism, why did a huge wave almost hit the city?
    4. What happened at the end? Did Latios jnr die, only we see him and Latios snr flting at the end. Is it their spirit or something?

    1: Pretty much, yeah. Oakley is the, probably, smarter one and wanted the whole city by her hands. Annie is just a fashion freak with a kick-a** pokémon. Oakley's pokémon choice is somehow a bit confusing to me. What would they need a Ariados for?
    2. It got there to, as in your 3rd question, protect the city. It is a defence mechanism.
    3. That wave wasn't made by Oakley, nor any of the charachters. And the DMA was pretty much f***ed up when the wave came. It was the sea, that somehow returned from the sea...into... the city..somehow.
    4.I have really no idea what the hell you meant there.

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    oh and yes it was biancawho kissed Ash cos about 5 seconds later we see the three Lati@s flying the sky, but we see bianca running in the OPPOSITE direction


    but brock's reaction was funny
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    Nice avatar ShucklemasterJ


    Have you noticed the legendary cameos?
    http://www.serebii.net/movies/latias...s/cameos.shtml


    And one other thing. Ash has 2 pokémon outside their pokéballs troughout the whole movie (Pikachu and Totodile). Brock has one (Crobat) Misty has 3 (Corsola, Politoed and Togepi) but Pikachu and Togepi doesn't really count.

    So that makes it
    Ash: 1
    Misty: 2
    Brock: 1

    This is a bit off topic but in Jirachi Wish Maker:

    Ash: 0
    Max: 1 (If you count Jirachi )
    Brock: 0
    May: 1 (Torchic)

    And In Destiny Deoxys They all release their pokémon for abit of relaxed play but in battle wise:

    Ash: 1
    Brock: 0
    May: 0
    Max: 0

    Brock's and May's doesn't even help with getting the electric back on.

    The movies are about more plot and less pokémon.
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    yeah my avatar is cool

    I could only see the entei cameo
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    4.I have really no idea what the hell you meant there.
    What I meant is that the father of Latios and Latias that had died protecting the city appeared to come back, as did the Latios which died in the film. How is this possible?

    I really liked the cameos, its a nice touch.

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    *sigh* If 4Kids didn't have to meddle with things it would be so much easier. Your confusion is a result of 4kids cutting the two minute opening entirely from the film. In it, we see that there are many more Latias and Latios than just the two that reside in Alto Mare, so the ones seen flying overhead at the end of the movie could be any Latias and Latios. The pair of Latios and Latias were most likely escorting the second Latios to Alto Mare so it could fill the place of the one that died as protector of the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P2W
    Have you noticed the legendary cameos?
    http://www.serebii.net/movies/latias...s/cameos.shtml
    "Cameo's"? Someone needs to do some grammar checking on there.

    And they forgot that it's not just pokémon that have cameos in there, what with the picture of Jirarudan during the end credits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heracross
    The pair of Latios and Latias were most likely escorting the second Latios to Alto Mare so it could fill the place of the one that died as protector of the city.
    Interesting theory about the escort, though I still think they were all planning on staying there since we see all three of their shadows flying overhead during the credits. Of course, the amount of time that has passed during the credits is ambiguous (though some time must have passed because the DMA is being repaired, A&O are already in prision, and Bianca is back to painting on the dock) so we don't know when the scene of the 3 shadows takes place.

    Of course, the whole ending is ambiguous since we would expect to see 2 Latias and 2 Latios's shadows, but there's just the 3 Ash sees. So where's the 4th (presumably THE Latias) unless she ditched Altomare shortly after the arrival of the new 3 to follow Ash. (Kind of out-of-character, though I guess love can be powerful....) Or one could believe the one Latias is Latias and she somehow managed to fly to get these other two Latios, but then that screws up the purpose of the whole shaft-of-light-as-a-beacon thing (plus it makes the kissing scene less fun. ) Or that they purposely don't show her again in her Pokemon form just to make it harder to figure out who kissed Ash. (I still think it was Latias since it would be illogical in many ways that I've commented on in another thread (I think it was in the polls section) for Bianca to kiss Ash. But I digress.... )

    So to the original poster: Yeah, what Heracross said - the legend of Altomare was radically altered for the english dub. Latias and Latios aren't orphans, their father didn't sacrifice himself, and the two that are on Altomare aren't necessarily the two in the original legend since there could be replacements coming along every 100 years or so....
    Latias aways gets a little carried away when it involves love - or perhaps that would better describe Ash in this situation! ^_^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heracross
    *sigh* If 4Kids didn't have to meddle with things it would be so much easier. Your confusion is a result of 4kids cutting the two minute opening entirely from the film. In it, we see that there are many more Latias and Latios than just the two that reside in Alto Mare, so the ones seen flying overhead at the end of the movie could be any Latias and Latios. The pair of Latios and Latias were most likely escorting the second Latios to Alto Mare so it could fill the place of the one that died as protector of the city.
    yes 4kids have corrupt my mind... they owe me money!

    but I still say it was Bianca because Why would they show 3 lati@s flyiong overhead when they were other lati@S because only 3 were mentioned in the whole film exept for the 2 mins which were cut off and why would latias be in bianca's room? and draw with the same equipment then her?

    during the crdits it shown Bianca painting and it looked she was having an Orgasm(sp?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShucklemasterJ
    but I still say it was Bianca because Why would they show 3 lati@s flyiong overhead when they were other lati@S because only 3 were mentioned in the whole film exept for the 2 mins which were cut off and why would latias be in bianca's room? and draw with the same equipment then her?
    Er, didn't Heracross and AscendingLatios just explain that? ^^; Again, the three "mentioned" Latios and Latias you're referring to is 4Kid's doing, with the siblings' father sacrificing himself for Alto Mare. Nothing like that was in the original Japanese version.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heracross
    The pair of Latios and Latias were most likely escorting the second Latios to Alto Mare so it could fill the place of the one that died as protector of the city.
    I fully agree with AscendingLatios on this one, especially with his reasonings on the three shadows zipping by in the garden (This all seems very familiar to me... XD!!).

    Unfortunately, the "Who kissed Ash--Bianca or Latias?" poll in the anime polls section you mentioned doesn't exist anymore, as it became the victim of the major pruning (deletion of threads, posts, and members) of the forums back in March. =( *Sigh* I really wanted to read all of those good and constructive arguments made over there again.

    Well, in another totally different persepective, I found a strange little thing a long while ago. I was surprised that no one else had noticed this before, but oh well: It seems like Bianca and Max have the same tastes in shirts. Both of their shirts have the same green color, short sleeves, white collars (Max's is more folded upwards, though), and the white button that's positioned in the same place. The only other difference is that the shirts are gender specific.

    Hm, maybe Max got some fashion tips from Bianca? XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShucklemasterJ
    and why would latias be in bianca's room?
    To take the picture to give to Satoshi. Latias and Kanon were very close to each other, so it's not a big deal that she would be in Kanon's room.

    and draw with the same equipment then her?
    She didn't have to draw the picture to give it to Satoshi.

    during the crdits it shown Bianca painting and it looked she was having an Orgasm(sp?)
    <.<; Yeah... if enjoying a pleasant ocean breeze on a beautiful sunny day is the same as having a sexual climax I guess she was doing that. :P

    Anyway, I do remember someone mentioning that Kanon and Masato's shirts were indentical, but that was quite a while ago so the thread it was in was probably pruned.
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    Okay I just watched the japanese version of it, and found it very confusing....Maybe because this was the only japanese pokemon movie I saw. Okay, I know it was explained in other posts, but the three Lati@s that were flying overhead were two 'new' Lati@s guiding another Latios to replace the one that died, right? And I think it was Latias that kissed Ash, because Kanon did not really develop a relationship with Ash in the movie. And, did they really say that Latios died in the US version? Since you know, kids know nothing about death >_>.....

    I really liked this movie. It was very different from the previous 4, more about plot than action. I think there were actually no 'real' battles like 'normal' battles if you know what I mean. And how different was the japanese version from the US? I actually really enjoyed the plot sooooooo much, and the ending was just touching. Even there were no battles, and there was no 'major' villian that was trying to do something destructive, I enjoyed it. I give it a 10/10......I know people will bash me, but this is my favourite movie out of the first five, maybe it's because it was in japanese, but it was awsome!!

    I know I repeated myself many times in that post =p

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