Destiny Deoxys (M07)

[Kamex]

Second, Rayquaza is a Peacekeeping Guardian. Remember, Rayquaza was the one who stopped the Groudon/Kyogre war long ago. And I think that the reason it attacked Deoxys was because he thought it was a threat to the world. Yet (I don't know if this is the dub's fault, or the original script's fault) he came off as nothing more than a territorial ***hole.

I didn't know about that stopping the war stuff (although it's pretty interesting), but the rest of the stuff is what I was talking about earlier. I thought I heard something about Rayquaza being some kind of protector of the Earth, or something. But they made it seem like it was just ****** off that Deoxys' meteor came crashing through the part of the sky where it lives. :/

Edit: What the heck? Since when was ****** a bad word?

[Pokemon Fan]

I have to agree to that. The first Fight wowed me.

- Deoxys first regeneration of course.
- A sense of purpose to the fight.
- The dangers of the fight for the people.
- Rayqauza's Ice Beam.
- Noticing the sheer size difference between both Pokemon.

After that, they became "Oh. More Psycho Boosts and Hyper Beams." Add a handful of roars and you're done. Bleh.

Yeah it was a bit repetitive for that part, but wasn't the ending of the fight good? Rayquaza has Deoxys in its coils, then slams it hard into the concrete. The impact is enough to cause Deoxys' concentration on the city-wide shield to break, causing the entire shield to shatter.

Then Deoxys rises up, clearly POed. It raises the huge slabs of rubble around it to block the next Hyper Beam, then attacks without mercy. Once it has Rayquaza on the ground it starts to fire Night Shades at it, then the other Deoxys enters and blocks a Psycho Boost causing a huge explosion. That was essentially the end of the fight and all that remained was to convince Rayquaza they weren't a threat.

First off all, the people's reaction to it was less than I expected. This is a one-of-a-kind, legendary Pokemon, yet the people, including the scientists, acted like it it was just another Pokemon. Even Ash wasn't surprised to see it (Although with all the legends he's seen, I guess they're somewhat dull for him now).

They kind of portrayed Rayquza as being fairly familiar to people. Since it lives in the ozone layer it would be a lot easier for scientists to observe it through telescopes than most other Legendary Pokemon.

Second, Rayquaza is a Peacekeeping Guardian. Remember, Rayquaza was the one who stopped the Groudon/Kyogre war long ago. And I think that the reason it attacked Deoxys was because he thought it was a threat to the world. Yet (I don't know if this is the dub's fault, or the original script's fault) he came off as nothing more than a territorial ***hole.

They made some effort to point out that being territorial was only part of it. After all, if that was true than Rayquaza would not persist in chasing Deoxys over a period of years after it left the territory. The scientists said at one point that for it to leave the ozone layer it must have regarded Deoxys as a serious threat to itself and the world (or words to that effect), and I think they did use the term that it "invaded" Rayquaza's domain.

After all, its not every day that a meteor with living things crashes through the atmosphere. Rayquaza must have regarded it as very suspicious.

Indeed, perhaps THAT is why the first move it used on Deoxys was Ice Beam. Perhaps this was a message from the writers, since Rayquaza never uses the attack again for the rest of the movie (while even Deoxys uses Night Shade twice). At that point perhaps it merely wanted to contain the creature, even question it perhaps. But when Deoxys broke free and started attacking back, Rayquaza beleived that was confirmation that Deoxys was a dangerous invader. Indeed, perhaps Rayqauza's sense of duty to its territory includes taking responsibility for anything that passes through it from space, and if it proves to be a threat to Earth than it regards it as its responsibility to destroy.

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Also, one has to wonder if this Rayquaza was THE Rayquaza who quelled the conflict between Groudon and Kyogre (assuming that happened in the anime), since at one point the female scientists refers to the dragon as "a" Rayquaza, indicating there is more than one of the dragons living in the ozone layer.

I thought I heard something about Rayquaza being some kind of protector of the Earth, or something. But they made it seem like it was just ****** off that Deoxys' meteor came crashing through the part of the sky where it lives. :/

See above for more reasons why I think Rayquaza is in some senses a protector. I'll add that this was no ordinary event, after all small meteors crash through Earth's atmosphere all the time. It's even possible that Rayquaza though that Deoxys was aiming for it as it crashed through (can't recall from the opening if Rayquaza had to dodge the meteor).

[CyberCubed]

It was a good movie, but not as great as I thought it would be. I wish those scenes in the trailers were in the movie, such as the ones with Rayquaza shooting a hyper beam at Ash...and May and Ash battling together in the battle tower. Why oh why do they tease us with scenes that never happen?

Otherwise it was good. I didn't think the block robot thing was tacked on, it was enjoyable. The fights between Deoxys and Rayquaza were enjoyable, most people here don't like action though.

I did like the battle tower fight, May stopping Ash from starting a fight, the overall plot, and the Deoxys theme music was very well done.

Only thing I hated was the "friendship" nonsense they always try to shove down out throats. We know it's a theme in pokemon as a whole, but I hate the way they constantly stated it near the end of the movie.

Good movie. 8/10.

[Blackcat88]

Only thing I hated was the "friendship" nonsense they always try to shove down out throats. We know it's a theme in pokemon as a whole, but I hate the way they constantly stated it near the end of the movie.

this is what i meant before. constantly with the "friend" word. come on, enough already.

[V Faction]

Yeah it was a bit repetitive for that part, but wasn't the ending of the fight good? Rayquaza has Deoxys in its coils, then slams it hard into the concrete. The impact is enough to cause Deoxys' concentration on the city-wide shield to break, causing the entire shield to shatter.

Then Deoxys rises up, clearly POed. It raises the huge slabs of rubble around it to block the next Hyper Beam, then attacks without mercy. Once it has Rayquaza on the ground it starts to fire Night Shades at it, then the other Deoxys enters and blocks a Psycho Boost causing a huge explosion. That was essentially the end of the fight and all that remained was to convince Rayquaza they weren't a threat.

Eh. I guess. Well, more than "I guess", it was pretty cool. That's about it though, and it was near the end. The first fight was astounding all the way through. But if you ask me, if Rayquaza had shown a little more variety, I would've enjoyed the final parts much more.

Also, one has to wonder if this Rayquaza was THE Rayquaza who quelled the conflict between Groudon and Kyogre (assuming that happened in the anime), since at one point the female scientists refers to the dragon as "a" Rayquaza, indicating there is more than one of the dragons living in the ozone layer.

I'm usually passive towards Dub Error, but this time that line really ticked me off. There's only ONE Rayquaza, just like there's only ONE Groudon and ONE Kyogre. They need to choose their words more carefully.

[CyberCubed]

There may be more than one Rayquaza, I mean who knew there would be two Deoxys? As soon as one Rayquaza dies another may be born, but I suppose there's only 1 alive at a time.

[Bulba the Great!]

I just considered something...what if Rayquaza wasn't merely Hyper Beaming Deoxys? Could the continuous attacks have been an Outrage attack? Even though I didn't see any confusion...

Meh, that was a stupid thought.

Cheers!
~Bulby

[Chris]

Nah. Were it Outrage, Rekkuuza would have gotten confused long ago. And I doubt Rekkuuza was really protecting the world or anything. Seemed more like it had a deep grudge on Deoxys for almost smashing into it. If Rekkuuza was trying to protect the place, it wouldn't have recklessly blasted Hyper Beams everywhere and destroyed buildings left and right. >.>

[Kamex]

Nah. Were it Outrage, Rekkuuza would have gotten confused long ago. And I doubt Rekkuuza was really protecting the world or anything. Seemed more like it had a deep grudge on Deoxys for almost smashing into it. If Rekkuuza was trying to protect the place, it wouldn't have recklessly blasted Hyper Beams everywhere and destroyed buildings left and right. >.>

You don't have to be so quick to throw that idea away. I mean, Rayquaza does seem to deserve a bigger role, like protecting the Earth, instead of just being another powerful Pokemon with territorial issues, right? And about it recklessly blasting Hyper Beams everywhere and destroying buildings, maybe it just considers its job very carefully, and it had to stop Deoxys at any cost, even if it means destroying one of the many cities on Earth (instead of the whole planet being in turmoil, it would be better only one city). Or maybe it was reckless because of the confusion from the Outrage attack (assuming it actually used that).

[Blackjack Gabbiani]

I'm usually passive towards Dub Error, but this time that line really ticked me off. There's only ONE Rayquaza, just like there's only ONE Groudon and ONE Kyogre. They need to choose their words more carefully.

You know that and I know that, but do *they* know that?

Actually...remember when we all thought there was only one Lugia?

[Murgatroyd]

The impression I got was that Rayquaza doesn't much care about any minor surface features, such as humans. Its duties as a protector are on a planetary scale, where one city more or less makes no difference at all. In fact, I suspect that the only reason it got involved in the Kyogre/Groudon conflict was that they were messing with weather systems. This conflict with Deoxys seemed more of a personal grudge than a greater duty.

And... two additions to the edit list:
One (1) Pointless Edit, and
One (1) Make-Deoxys-Clearly-Visible-When-It-Shouldn't-Be Edit.

[V Faction]

Actually...remember when we all thought there was only one Lugia?

I'm still reeling from that one.

[RandomCharizard]

Man this was so cool and it was funny when munchlax kicked the can he stopped for a minute then he went then stopped and put his head down weird.
Anyway this movie is the best 10/10

[Juputoru]

-Hmm, it took me a while to figure out that the weird...sound...was Deoxys' sound.
-About Rayquaza's lack of caring about the destruction it caused...if it lives in the ozone layer, it's not going to get to see stuff like people or buildings a lot, right? And since it hasn't seen them often, it either doesn't know if they're important or not, or it doesn't care about them.
-What is it with legendary Pokemon have little to no attack variety? Legendary Birds in 2nd movie? Articuno Ice Beams, Zapdos Thunderbolts, Moltres Flamethrowers, and Lugia Aeroblasts & Whirlpools. Entei in 3rd movie? Flamethrowers and...some sort of charging attack. Suicune in 4th movie? ...I actually can't recall it attacking much. ^_^" Lati@s in 5th movie? They charged into some things, but didn't attack much... "Groudon" from 6th movie? Sent out those weird vine thingies, and that's about it. Rayquaza in 7th movie? One Ice Beam, then a lot of Hyper Beams, then a wrapping attack(oddly, Rayquaza doesn't learn Constrict, Wrap, or the like...). Give us some variety already!
-4Kids NEEDS more voice actors. I swear, I've heard Tooi's voice on about 4 main characters and who-knows-how-many side characters already...
-I never DID catch Tooi's US name. I think it was Tory(if it was, then I'm impressed. That's actually an acceptable romanization of "Tooi".)...
-I never got a "protector" vibe from Rayquaza. It was just angry at a Pokemon that came in on a metor that almost hit Rayquaza, and said Pokemon then proceeded to attack Rayquaza(granted, 'quaza attacked first)
-I can never remember what Rayquaza's voice sounds liek unless I've heard it recently >_o

My order of fav. movies would now have to be:
1)Entei movie
2)Lati@s movie
3)Jirachi movie
4)Mewtwo movie
5)Deoxys movie
6)Celebi movie
7)Lugia movie

[Swellow]

Tooi's the Kid that first hates Pokemon right, if so his name is Tory

[Kamex]

-What is it with legendary Pokemon have little to no attack variety? Legendary Birds in 2nd movie? Articuno Ice Beams, Zapdos Thunderbolts, Moltres Flamethrowers, and Lugia Aeroblasts & Whirlpools. Entei in 3rd movie? Flamethrowers and...some sort of charging attack. Suicune in 4th movie? ...I actually can't recall it attacking much. ^_^" Lati@s in 5th movie? They charged into some things, but didn't attack much... "Groudon" from 6th movie? Sent out those weird vine thingies, and that's about it. Rayquaza in 7th movie? One Ice Beam, then a lot of Hyper Beams, then a wrapping attack(oddly, Rayquaza doesn't learn Constrict, Wrap, or the like...). Give us some variety already!

In the games, legendary Pokemon only learn moves every ten turns or so. And they do well with any one attack, anyway. But I do agree, we should be presented with a wide variety of legendary Pokemon's attacks.

Edit: Well, maybe it's more like every twenty turns or so (read first sentence in above paragraph).

[Alfonso]

It was a good movie, but not as great as I thought it would be. I wish those scenes in the trailers were in the movie, such as the ones with Rayquaza shooting a hyper beam at Ash...and May and Ash battling together in the battle tower. Why oh why do they tease us with scenes that never happen?

Otherwise it was good. I didn't think the block robot thing was tacked on, it was enjoyable. The fights between Deoxys and Rayquaza were enjoyable, most people here don't like action though.

I did like the battle tower fight, May stopping Ash from starting a fight, the overall plot, and the Deoxys theme music was very well done.

Only thing I hated was the "friendship" nonsense they always try to shove down out throats. We know it's a theme in pokemon as a whole, but I hate the way they constantly stated it near the end of the movie.

Good movie. 8/10.

Agreed on the note about friendship. It's like the second episode in the Lake of Rage episodes, you know? When Ash went running up to the Red Gyrarados spouting his 'All we want to do is be your friend!' crap. I mean, people say Tea from Yu-Gi-Oh is bad, but seriously... :P

[PlayAtari2600]

Darn, Dogasu basically disproved my theroies way back on page 11. So much for that. Not that I'm daying my prediction isn't possible at all, it's just most likely not. Ha, it's funny, this thread was so popular for the first two days after the movie aired, and now it's hardly getting any action.

[Puffs]

Does anybody find it strange that it was so easy for Tori to toss his passport to Ash?

[Murgatroyd]

You've got a point. His technique was all wrong, so it shouldn't have come as close to reaching Ash as it did.