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    Tbh, I knew that the shining light effigy was the 2nd Deoxys right away, and that the 1st Deoxys's whole rampage would end when he found his missing friend. That was too predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wednesdayz View Post
    Tbh, I knew that the shining light effigy was the 2nd Deoxys right away, and that the 1st Deoxys's whole rampage would end when he found his missing friend. That was too predictable.
    Well technically the first Deoxys' search of the city didn't end right away cuz of Rayquaza's involvement. I thought that Rayquaza tracking it down to LaRousse city was kind of odd however since Rayquaza's domain was the Ozone layer. ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Oreo View Post
    I thought that Rayquaza tracking it down to LaRousse city was kind of odd however since Rayquaza's domain was the Ozone layer. ^^
    He just wanted to kill Deoxys since Deoxys didn't belong on Earth given how he was a space virus. Rayquaza obviously saw Deoxys as a threat to humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wednesdayz View Post
    He just wanted to kill Deoxys since Deoxys didn't belong on Earth given how he was a space virus. Rayquaza obviously saw Deoxys as a threat to humanity.
    That's a good point, tho I'll admit that Rayquaza changed its mind about the two Deoxys pretty fast once they helped protect him from the robots. To this day I found that whole robot block bit to be a letdown in the climax of the film. :[

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Oreo View Post
    That's a good point, tho I'll admit that Rayquaza changed its mind about the two Deoxys pretty fast once they helped protect him from the robots. To this day I found that whole robot block bit to be a letdown in the climax of the film. :[
    Lol, everyone seems to have hated that part of the movie. I disliked it too, but not because of Deoxys; I was mainly pissed off that Munchlax randomly evolved during it.

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    Tory's habit of running away and acting scared got old fast, and the Battle Tower scenes were great, but too short. Deoxys being a tragic villain was a letdown.

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    I suppose you could call Destiny Deoxys the Zoroark of AG (or is Zoroark the Deoxys of DP?) The other films of these gens get plenty of fan attention, but I never see anyone mention these two. And, in both cases, I'm not surprised.

    There’s no reason why such a heavy sci-fi concept as aliens should be out-of-place in Pokemon. All the tech of the world fits neatly into the “soft” science fiction category, and there are a good number of Pokemon that lean in that direction. So when I say that the idea of aliens in a pokefilm just rubs me the wrong way, understand that I can’t even explain to myself why I have such a problem with it. Maybe it’s because so much emphasis is given to the Legendary and Mythical Pokemon in each gen, and because the world as a whole is much more fantasy than sci-fi. At the end of the day, aliens just weren’t something I ever wanted to see in one of these flicks, so that hurt my interest right away.

    Though I knew better, a small part of me held out hope that this would be the one movie to give Brock a proper story line. After all, Jirachi gave an arc to Max, Lucario to Ash, and Ranger to May. If any gen was going to toss ol’ Brock a bone, you’d think it’d be AG. But no - no arc for Brock. Not here, and not in any of the twelve movies to feature him. Spell of the Unown was the only one to give him a prominent role, but a decent turn as a supporting figure for Ash isn’t the same as a proper arc.

    Of course, this film doesn’t give an arc to Ash or the others either. Other pokefilms have had the CotD be the de facto protagonist, but this film more than any other centers the plot around the guest star, Tory in this case. It takes the main cast nearly fifteen minutes to appear, and when they do, they’re basically along for the ride with Tory. The plot tries to position Ash in the same sort of mentor role he had in Jirachi, but it doesn’t work nearly as well this time around. Ash and Tory don’t have the sort of established rapport to build off of that Ash and Max had, and Tory is a pretty dull character if I’m being frank. And unlike Jirachi, Deoxys can’t resist letting Ash save the day at the end, regardless of how little he’s done to earn that job in a story sense.

    And of all the pokefilms, this is the most poorly paced. It’s not quite as long a film as Ranger, but it’s longer than it needed to be, and feels it. The faux-rival for Ash is obnoxious and eats up screen time. The musical number in the middle of the film, which would’ve been the credits sequence in any other movie, stops the plot dead. Once Deoxys invades the city, too much time is spent in a loop of “grabbers attack, we run, we hide.” And the plot is saddled with extras that are pointless at best and take away from greater opportunities at worst.

    On the former point - Rayquaza is an unnecessary plot complication that’s quickly and arbitrarily neutralized at the end. On the latter - the three little ones.

    The antics of Plusle, Minun, and an oddly civic-minded Munchlax are very cute, and they would’ve made great fodder for an episode of the show, but they are wrong for this movie. Munchlax never has any meaningful pay-off in the larger plot, so he could’ve been an easy cut. Plusle and Minun do have a pay-off, by feeding in to Tory’s fear of Pokemon, but it’s one they shouldn’t have had. Tory’s friendship with the disembodied Deoxys could’ve served as an emotional core and anchor for the film, had more time been devoted to it. A major step in that direction would have been: once Tory learns that his friend is a Pokemon, he gets freaked out by it, struggles to communicate with Deoxys anymore, only to ultimately come through for him in the end. The green cube of Deoxys would’ve followed Tory into the thick of things in this instance, and there could’ve been more made of the rush to get him to the regeneration center. And Tory could’ve been the one to save the day, the role that, narratively speaking, is his to take given the construction of the plot.

    But they didn’t do that. They shoehorned in two cute critters who are more than a little derivative of Pikachu, never set a clear anchor for the story, dragged their feet throughout, and left us with what is, IMO, the worst of the pokefilms. That’s right - I think this one’s worse than Genesect.

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    This was a really confusing movie, I don't know much about Deoxys as I have only encountered him during Omega Ruby. I was really shocked that there turned out to be 2 Deoxys. I didn't quite understand why Rayquaza was fighting with Deoxys to start with but I understand he felt threatened by them coming to earth.

    While watching the movie I thought could Deoxys be reclassified as an Ultra Beast now as they seem pretty similar and they way they disappear could be like a worm hole.

    It was an interesting film but not my favourite Pokemon film. I liked Plusle and Minun and Munchlax and how the 'short' was kinda incorporated into the movie, that was pretty neat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zamin View Post
    I didn't quite understand why Rayquaza was fighting with Deoxys to start with but I understand he felt threatened by them coming to earth.
    Since Deoxys was an intergalactic virus, I think Rayquaza was concerned about its effect on Earth. It might explain why Rayquaza followed Deoxys all the way to LaRousse just to eliminate what it perceived as a threat.

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