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    Default Speed Tiers that don't suck

    I was looking at the Serebii stickies / stickys (whatever) and came across this. http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=343233 It surprised me to see something so out of date and wrong. So here is practically every speed point in 4th gen OU. Unlike the speed tiers I've found at Smogon, this should actually be useful.


    Sets rise and fall in popularity over time. Due to this I will not attempt to run calculations to how likely it is to see each set. Use your own judgement to see how much you care about each threat. I have put the most common sets of each OU pokemon into this list. Tell me if I missed anything big. For simplicity I have used mostly Smogon sets since they are the most popular. If you use different EVs, tell that to Smogon. Or me if you feel the spread is relevant.

    OU

    494 - +2 Porygon Z
    493 - Scarf Azelf / Scarf Starmie
    492 - +1 DD Naive Salamence
    478 - Scarf Gengar / Scarf Latias
    465 - Scarf Infernape
    460 - Jolly Ninjask
    450 - Scarf Jirachi
    448 - +1 DD Salamence
    433 - +1 Electivire
    428 - +2 Empoleon
    420 - Swift Swim Kingdra / Scarf Flygon
    418 - +2 Agiligross / Scarf Porygon Z
    417 - Timid Scarftran
    413 - 80 speed Ninjask
    409 - Scarf Smeargle
    406 - Scarf Rotom
    403 - Scarf Heracross
    396 - +1 DD Kingdra
    394 - Jolly Aerodactyl, Jolteon and Crobat
    393 - Scarf Breloom
    392 - +2 Rhyperior
    391 - +1 DD Gyarados
    388 - +1 Dragonite
    383 - Jolly Weavile
    379 - Modest Scarftran
    372 - Timid Alakazam / Jolly Dugtrio
    361 - Timid Azelf / Timid Starmie
    360 - Scarf Magnzezone
    352 - Spinner Starmie
    350 - Timid Gengar / Timid Latias
    346 - Max speed Infernape
    330 - 192 speed Infernape
    308 - 176 speed Timid Zapdos, Jirachi, Flygon and Celebi / 216 Jolly Gliscor
    306 - Jolly Lucario
    299 - DD Salamence
    295 - Offensive LO Suicune
    289 - Electivire
    288 - "New" Mixmence
    284 - Jolly Mamoswine
    279 - Adamant Lucario / Porygon Z
    278 - Timid Heatran
    273 - Jolly Smeargle
    269 - Adamant Heracross
    264 - DD Kingdra
    263 - Defensive Latias
    262 - Jolly Breloom
    261 - Adamant Gyarados
    259 - Adamant Mamoswine / Dragonite
    253 - Modest Heatran
    244 - 32 speed Bold Zapdos, Jirachi, Tentacruel and Celebi
    243 - Jolly Tyranitar
    230 - 88 speed Bold Rotom
    229 - Max speed Scizor / 212 Adamant Breloom
    226 - No speed Gliscor
    222 - Nasty Plot Togekiss
    214 - Sub-Petaya Empoleon
    206 - No speed Suicune / Cresselia
    196 - Flinchhax Togekiss
    179 - 12 speed Skarmory
    178 - 8 speed Metagross
    177 - Steel killer Magnzezone
    167 - 4 speed Vaporeon
    166 - No speed Scizor / Umbreon
    158 - No speed Tyranitar
    156 - Impish Swampert / Porygon 2
    147 - 4 speed Machamp
    146 - No speed Blissey
    140 - Relaxed Swampert
    130 - Hippowdon
    126 - Dusknoir
    116 - No speed Rhyperior
    96 - Snorlax
    76 - Relaxed Forretress
    63 - Sassy Bronzong




    KentuckyFriedTorchic created a UU speed tier. All credit for the following goes to him.

    UU

    578 - +2 yanmega
    528 - +2 Moltres
    508 - Scarf Mismagius
    492 - Jolly Bellyzard +1 speed (salac berry)
    484 - Swift Swim Kabutops
    478 - Swift Swim Ludicolo
    475 - Scarf Arcanine
    459 - Scarf Rosarade
    450 - +2 Blaziken
    435 - Scarf Hitmonlee
    433 - +1 Yanmega
    430 - Scarf Milotic
    420 - Scarf Primeape
    418 - Swift Swim Omastar
    416 - Lead Electrode
    409 - Scarf Absol
    405 - Scarf Houndoom, Lead Moltres (scarf), Scarf Venusaur
    397 - Scarf Magmortar
    396 - Scarf Typhlosion
    384 - Scarf Mesprit
    383 - Jolly Swellow
    373 - +1 DD Feraligatr
    372 - Jolly Sceptile
    363 - +1 DD Altaria
    361 - Jolly ambipom
    350 - Sweeper (timid) Espeon
    339 - Timid Mismagius, Jolly Scyther
    328 - Jolly Bellyzard
    328 - Timid Ninetales, Timid Typhlosion
    317 - Jolly Drapion, Jolly / Timid Arcanine
    310 - Jolly Primeape
    309 - Timid Rotom
    308 - Timid Houndoom
    306 - Timid Rosarade
    300 - Jolly Hitmonlee
    289 - Yanmega
    284 - Jolly Blaziken
    280 - Jolly Feraligatr
    270 - Timid Gardevoir, Timid Mesprit
    269 - Nidoking, Toxicroak
    265 - Specs Magmortar
    240 - Specs/Band Blastoise
    222 - Hitmontop
    203 - Specs/Band Clefable
    147 - CB Azumaril


    ExplodingMuk sent this Uber speed tier. Enjoy.

    Ubers

    582 - Shaymin-Scarf(Timid)
    577 - Scarf Mewtwo
    574 - Trick Scarf Darkai
    556 - Non-Trick Scarf Darkrai
    529 - Shaymin-Specs(Modest)
    504 - Deoxys-S
    500 - Groudon-RP +2
    499 - ScarfChomp
    492 - Palkia-Scarf
    463 - DD Jolly Raquaza +1
    459 - ScarfOgre
    459 - ScarfHo-oh
    459 - ScardDiagla(Timid)
    459 - Groudon-Jolly SubSalac +1
    446 - Deoxys-D-Agility +1
    438 - Deoxys-N
    438 - Deoxys-A Most Sets
    420 - DD Addy Raquaza
    418 - Scarf Dialga(Modest)
    418 - Addy SubSalac Groudon +1
    399 - Deoxys-A Choice Band
    394 - Taunt+CM/Dual Screen/Specs/SubCM Mewtwo
    388 - Shaymin-S Specs/LO/Other Sets
    385 - LO Coverage Sweeper Mewtwo
    383 - Nasty Plot Darkrai
    353 - Shaymin-S LO/Specs(Modest)
    350 - Latios All Sets
    350 - Latias Timid Sets
    334 - Specs Lugia
    334 - Physical Mewtwo
    333 - Garchomp Most Sets
    331 - Calm Mind Lugia
    328 - Transform Mew
    328 - Most Palkia Sets
    320 - Mew Most Sets
    320 - Sub Boost Manaphy
    319 - Modest Kyogre Sets
    317 - Jolly SD Raquaza
    309 - DD/Mixed Jolly Raquaza
    308 - Tail Glow Manaphy
    307 - Great Wall (Lugia)
    306 - Specs Dialga (Timid)
    306 - Jolly SD/SubSalac Groudon
    306 - CB Jolly/Specs Timid Ho-oh
    306 - Specs/Cm Timid Kyogre
    289 - SD Addy Raquaza
    280 - DD Addy Raqauza
    279 - Specs/CM Kyogre Modest
    279 - CB Addy/Specs Modest Ho-oh
    279 - SD/SubSalac Addy
    279 - Specs Modest Dialga
    251 - Versitle Ogre
    250 - RP Groudon
    238 - Paradancer Groudon
    226 - Toxic Manaphy
    224 - Choice Band Dialga
    222 - RestTalk/Boosting Tank Kyogre
    222 - Life Orb Ho-oh
    218 - Band/Support Groudon
    218 - Calm Mind/Toxic Ho-oh
    217 - Agility Deoxys-D
    217 - SubCM Kyogre
    216 - Deoxys-D All others
    216 - All other Dialga
    216 - All sets Giratina
    215 -T-wave Kyogre
    102 - Wobbufett
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    Stickying because this is useful.

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    Wow, didn't expect to see a decent speed tier here



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    I just realized Smogon has speed tiers too. But their speed tiers are really old (2007) or are full of useless numbers (Scarf Aerodactyl, Houndoom etc.) that you will never see in OU.

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    Can someone make up speed tiers for ubers and UU?
    Start playing ubers, not OU. Serebii needs more ubers players!

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    This is useful but you forgot a very important POkemon of Jolteon that thing is fast as.

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    394 - Jolly Aerodactyl, Jolteon and Crobat
    Don't just skim read.

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    Wow. Thanks. This will be super useful for making teams/sets.
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    Thank god for that, now i can EV trying to outspeed certain stuff.
    instead of "Well i'll just run max, to be sure".
    Thanks. :-)
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    You don't have Dugtrio on here?
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    Naive Max Speed Salamence is also not there.

    8 Speed Metagross, 12 Speed Skarmory, 4 Speed Vaporeon should also be there instead of just lumping them into one seldom used group, just like Machamp and Blissey got their own mentions on the list.


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    No one uses Naive or Jolly Salamence.

    I didn't do Dugtrio because he didn't show up in the top 50 pokes, but I'll put him in.

    I'll put updates to the Vaporeon / Metagross / Skarmory. Like I said I used Smogon sets, because thats what everyone does..

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    Many people run Naive Mence, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest is great View Post
    No one uses Naive or Jolly Salamence.
    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=402381

    Reno also thinks so, as he uses a Scarf Starmie that aims to outspeed any Salamence that run + Spe nature with Max Speed after a DD.
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    if youre including things as obscure as scarf alakazam, you really should mention the uncommon (yet viable!) neutral natured scarf latias (478) in this guide
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest is great View Post
    No one uses Naive or Jolly Salamence.
    Some people who use DD Mence runs Jolly nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unaware is the best View Post
    if youre including things as obscure as scarf alakazam, you really should mention the uncommon (yet viable!) neutral natured scarf latias (478) in this guide
    Ok.


    Also holy **** I had no idea Naive was the most common Salamence nature. Since when did Adamant DD mence stop being standard.. Wow I've been out of it.

    Blue Harvest > Unaware. Because I'm the best at everything. EVERYTHING.

    But you're right, Scarf Alakazam is obsecure. Removed..
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    Nice job BH, this is pretty much the most useful thing posted in a while.

    Btw, Naive DDMence is the standard nature now, it outspeeds way more and packs more power behind Fire Blast / Flamethrower.

    Anyway, you covered like everything i would want to pick out. Once again, nice job.

    EDIT: Is the +2 Rhyperior Jolly or Adamant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill.Mate.Repeat. View Post
    EDIT: Is the +2 Rhyperior Jolly or Adamant?
    It is the standard Rock Polish set, so with 252 speed ev's and a Jolly nature.

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    KFT, thanks for doing the UU speed tier!! I don't know how common it is, but I use Scarf Blaziken. I haven't decided on the exact speed yet, but it's around 375-385. Not a +Speed nature.
    Wants:
    Timid/Calm/Modest Latias, Bold/Calm Suicune, Bold/Calm Cresselia, Relaxed/Bold/Timid Uxie, Timid/Bold Zapdos, Timid Articuno, Timid Raikou, TMs 51-92, Black Sludge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troggy View Post
    KFT, thanks for doing the UU speed tier!! I don't know how common it is, but I use Scarf Blaziken. I haven't decided on the exact speed yet, but it's around 375-385. Not a +Speed nature.
    Glad you like it. I did'nt include scarf blaziken i noticed, but there are so many blaziken sets that i chose the more common. (at least i hope so)

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    Yeah I hear ya...that way I can be even sneakier since my Blaziken isn't listed
    Wants:
    Timid/Calm/Modest Latias, Bold/Calm Suicune, Bold/Calm Cresselia, Relaxed/Bold/Timid Uxie, Timid/Bold Zapdos, Timid Articuno, Timid Raikou, TMs 51-92, Black Sludge

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    In the Ubers tier speed list, is it just me or is there a typo? A Specs Shaymin-S (Modest) achieving a speed of 529?
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    Default Speed Tiers that don't suck

    Quote Originally Posted by AirHorton View Post
    In the Ubers tier speed list, is it just me or is there a typo? A Specs Shaymin-S (Modest) achieving a speed of 529?
    Yes, I made a few typos, so my mistake. That is one. I also put scard Dialga instead of scarf. If you catch any more, just notify me. (Or BH)
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    Although its a bit strange, Choice scarf modest Skymin reaches 529.
    Skymin with modest nature can reach 353 max
    so 353x1.5=529,5.....529 rounded down.

    edit:I thought it was scarf lol.
    with a modest nature and choice specs Skymin has only 353 speed but a but a monstrous 558 Special attack
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