Suggestions for the Trade Forum

[pkfan]

I like the Idea of a shop thread in every member profile, but wouldn´t it be to difficult for the mods to ensure all people follow the rules?

[Prince Amrod]

i would like the trade forum moderators to be better informed of what pokemon can be obtained legitimately. partly because i have two infractions for asking for a pokemon that can be be gotten legitimately

[pkfan]

i would like the trade forum moderators to be better informed of what pokemon can be obtained legitimately. partly because i have two infractions for asking for a pokemon that can be be gotten legitimately

are you talking about the arceus? because I got punished for asking for one, and in pokemon secure said it was release alredy in japan... if the information about the release of arceus was correct then I would also like the mods know about it...

[Prince Amrod]

no i was asking for a shiny jirachi, which can be obtained legitimately from wishmaker bonus disc and pokemon channel

[xXPorygonXx]

are you talking about the arceus? because I got punished for asking for one, and in pokemon secure said it was release alredy in japan... if the information about the release of arceus was correct then I would also like the mods know about it...

Because Serebii has a "US shores" rule, which states that until the event is in America, you can't request/trade them.

[pkfan]

Because Serebii has a "US shores" rule, which states that until the event is in America, you can't request/trade them.

I don´t think that is entirely true, because we can ask for the shokotan pichu and that is a japanese only event... I think you are talking about the arceus thread in this forum, wich will be opened until the release of arceus in américa...

but in the case that it is true then why? why we cannot ask for the jap evnets? we also wish to have them...

[Darkrai00]

probably alot of people already said this but, EV trained poke thread

[randomspot555]

I don´t think that is entirely true, because we can ask for the shokotan pichu and that is a japanese only event... I think you are talking about the arceus thread in this forum, wich will be opened until the release of arceus in américa...

but in the case that it is true then why? why we cannot ask for the jap evnets? we also wish to have them...

SPPF has had a "Till US shores" rule for the big event legendaries. In this case, Arceus, Darkrai, and Shaymin. All other events that either were Japanese exclusive, such as the Pokecenter Eevees, or events that had a Japanese release first and elsewhere later (Saikyo and TRU Dragonite, Movie/TRU Regigias) have been allowed to be traded since the Japanese release.

I honestly don't think this rule makes sense. Wi-Fi trading has made the Pokemon trading community much smaller. Due to cloning (glitch cloning and, unfortunately, AR/hack cloning), people brining multiple DS carts to events, or even people just plain generous, events exclusive to Japan are able to be obtained in a legit fashion by people elsewhere. I even know a handful of people on a foreign exchange program in Japan, and a few will be getting the soon-to-be-released Arceus.

Now then, I think a more sensible rule would be:

Ban all Japanese exclusive events: In the case of ones that get releases elsewhere, then allow the Japanese counterparts too. This applies the same rules to all Japanese only events, instead of different ones which make little/no sense. Or...

Allow JApanese exclusive events soon after the event take place: Let's face the facts, people already trade these events here anyway. Usually via PM/VM. And even though VMs and PMs can be reported and regulated, they often aren't. Even in the Event thread, a post can be there for days asking for a movie event before it gets deleted, if it ever does.

I'm personally in favor of the second, even though I got out of event trading long ago and have no desire to get back into it. I'm always in favor of letting it happen publicly so it can be moderated, rather than it be banned and it gets done via AIM or PMs. But at least both of these solutions put all Japanese exclusive events on an even scale.

[James Bondage]

For those of you wanting to know about the Arceus Event, it is officiallly being released IN JAPAN on the 18th of this month.

Also, I have PM'd SkittyOnWailord about the US Shores rule, and Skitty does not personally agree with it, stating that iwas the majority decision of other mods here at Serebii to have that rule. This rule is in place due to the possibilty of hack being traded.

Though I can see the moderators points on this, any SERIOUS event collectors are going to know the difference. The US Shores rule should be removed. It should be the responsability of the people trading to know EXACTLY what they are trading to each other. What happens on the forums would be a moderators bussiness, what happens while trading Pokes on the Nintendo DS, however, should not be.

[de_darkrai]

are you talking about the arceus? because I got punished for asking for one, and in pokemon secure said it was release alredy in japan... if the information about the release of arceus was correct then I would also like the mods know about it...

Movie for Arceus has been distributed by Theater Tokyo and Osaka at June 5.So,pre-released Arceus is spreading now...but someone have making us disappointed...making hacks and spreading around lovely traders...

no i was asking for a shiny jirachi, which can be obtained legitimately from wishmaker bonus disc and pokemon channel

WISKMKR can be shiny...and ONLY a few GBA events can be shiny...but not 10 ANIV/ANNI/ANNIV/JAHRE

Because Serebii has a "US shores" rule, which states that until the event is in America, you can't request/trade them.

yea,that's right...Admins & Mods =sick of hacks,aswell as me

I don´t think that is entirely true, because we can ask for the shokotan pichu and that is a japanese only event... I think you are talking about the arceus thread in this forum, wich will be opened until the release of arceus in américa...

but in the case that it is true then why? why we cannot ask for the jap evnets? we also wish to have them...

hacking=terrible...so,it's not allowed here

For those of you wanting to know about the Arceus Event, it is officiallly being released IN JAPAN on the 18th of this month.

Also, I have PM'd SkittyOnWailord about the US Shores rule, and Skitty does not personally agree with it, stating that iwas the majority decision of other mods here at Serebii to have that rule. This rule is in place due to the possibilty of hack being traded.

Though I can see the moderators points on this, any SERIOUS event collectors are going to know the difference. The US Shores rule should be removed. It should be the responsability of the people trading to know EXACTLY what they are trading to each other. What happens on the forums would be a moderators bussiness, what happens while trading Pokes on the Nintendo DS, however, should not be.

yea,exactly

[pkfan]

Is there a way to skip the US shore rule for the arceus event since we really, REALLY, would like to have one... also, why the US shore rule didn´t applied to the pikachu coloured pichu (shokotan pichu)?

[Ellie]

All right guys, let's try not to derail this thread. It's suggestions, not debating back and forth :/.

Anyways, the reasoning behind some Pokemon (Arceus, shiny Jirachi, etc) being "forbidden" is that they're in such high demand with so few available that many of them are likely to be hacks. The Movie Arceus will not lift its ban, but if a WiFi event for Arceus (even if it's only for Japan) will lift it because it'll increase the number of available ones greatly. Same thing if there is ever a SRable Jirachi or Celebi event. If you don't like that rule, PM Joe himself because that's his rule.

As for the other Japanese events being available, they're not in as high of a demand. Yes, PCP is popular, but you can still get a regular shiny Pichu, as such it's not in quite as high of a demand. This is the only way to get a legit Arceus so far, so it's in very high demand and it's very unlikely that you'll be able to get a legitimate one (barring AR clones, because SPPf doesn't endorse using AR, even for cloning).

IMO,^this looks annoying...i think serebii nid to remove that...

and having own thread wasn't the best idea for Serebiiforums...but,one more thing>Event Trading Thread=sucks,coz someone will double-posting,or even triple...and TRADERS will post his/her list again and again in the new page of the topic,XD...and some traders have a HUGE list,if we wanna find sth,IMO>it hurts my eyes so much sometimes...although there's a button [CTRL+F]...

i haven't came here for several days...Ellie added sth[this topic]...wow,KOOl...open-minded,i should say "finally"

anyway,it's juz my opinions....but i hope i can get some solutions for ya...

Uh, remove what? I'm not sure what you're even saying.

where can i try and trade items with people?
is there a thread for that?
if so it's hard to find.
if not. WHY THE HELL NOT.
It's like the most obvious thing ever. and desperately needed.

Look in the exact forum that this one is in. There is one.

There's nothing on there.

Change your post settings. You have to have it showing threads since "The Beginning" since they're over 2 years old.

[Erik Destler]

For those of you wanting to know about the Arceus Event, it is officiallly being released IN JAPAN on the 18th of this month.

Also, I have PM'd SkittyOnWailord about the US Shores rule, and Skitty does not personally agree with it, stating that iwas the majority decision of other mods here at Serebii to have that rule. This rule is in place due to the possibilty of hack being traded.

Though I can see the moderators points on this, any SERIOUS event collectors are going to know the difference. The US Shores rule should be removed. It should be the responsability of the people trading to know EXACTLY what they are trading to each other. What happens on the forums would be a moderators bussiness, what happens while trading Pokes on the Nintendo DS, however, should not be.

I tried getting rid of it myself - I think it's a bit ridics. at this point, and I got a big fat gtfo and stfu

[randomspot555]

If it's Joe's rule and that's it, then obviously it will stay no matter what others say. It's just a ridiculous rule. The trades are still being conducted here via PMs and VMs. Lifting the rule will at least let them happen publicly and be able to be moderated in a more efficient fashion.

I also really don't buy that it has a higher amount of hacks. I've been in the Wi-Fi chat doing a trade and a guy had 5 of his Pokemon with ID "0000" and OT "????". I've faced a Scizor in the Battle forum with the move Earthquake. Hacks are, for better or for worse, part of the trading process. It's an inherent risk involved with EVERY possible trade, not just special legendary movie events. It should be a users responsibility to be knowledgable enough to detect hacks, and mods responsibility to monitor what's posted. And banning these trades flat out just causes users to take it to PMs or off-site stuff, where with little/no moderation, hacks will get by and nothing will be done about it.

That being said, I'll just re-iterate before that I really don't see anything wrong with the trade forum. The stickies have been done nicely, I like the individual Pokeon threads. Some increased mod presence would be nice, not because the current moderation is lacking, but simply because the trade forum is so big.

Actually, there's one other thing that would be good. What about a forum event list? I know that the main site has one, but it's not constantly up to date. A forum list could at least be edited by the appropriate staff, and updated as soon as information is discovered.

[Aeros]

I think a thread for evolutionary trades would be great.
That way, people could find other people who need such a service and trade with them.
'Cause, sometimes, you'll arrange with someone to do this simple service, and they'll run off with your pokemon when you trade it to them.

[James Bondage]

I think a thread for evolutionary trades would be great.
That way, people could find other people who need such a service and trade with them.
'Cause, sometimes, you'll arrange with someone to do this simple service, and they'll run off with your pokemon when you trade it to them.

I'm not sure this would be viable for a thread. Most people know the GTS Evolution trick. I think, at best, have a locked sticky stating the steps of how to do the GTS Evolution trick might be helpful though. Kind of like what they have for the PBR section about the Unlockables for that game.

I will volunteer to type this up. When it is completed I will pass it along to SkittyOnWailord, Ellie, or Erik Destler and request it be stickied in the trade forums.

I think a sticky such as the one I stated woud help the users not get their Pokemon's stolen, and help the mods, so that a full, Evolution Trade thread wouldn't be necessary. Everybody wins!

[Ellie]

You say that sometimes people run off with it, but setting up a specific thread for it won't change that. No matter what rules we set up, ultimately, the only one responsible for your trades and making sure you don't get ripped off is you, and that would still apply with a specific thread, so I really don't see how that's helpful.

[James Bondage]

You say that sometimes people run off with it, but setting up a specific thread for it won't change that. No matter what rules we set up, ultimately, the only one responsible for your trades and making sure you don't get ripped off is you, and that would still apply with a specific thread, so I really don't see how that's helpful.

Were you responding to me, or Aeros?

I think a thread for evolutionary trades would be great.
That way, people could find other people who need such a service and trade with them.
'Cause, sometimes, you'll arrange with someone to do this simple service, and they'll run off with your pokemon when you trade it to them.

I'm not sure this would be viable for a thread. Most people know the GTS Evolution trick. I think, at best, have a locked sticky stating the steps of how to do the GTS Evolution trick might be helpful though. Kind of like what they have for the PBR section about the Unlockables for that game.

I will volunteer to type this up. When it is completed I will pass it along to SkittyOnWailord, Ellie, or Erik Destler and request it be stickied in the trade forums.

I think a sticky such as the one I stated woud help the users not get their Pokemon's stolen, and help the mods, so that a full, Evolution Trade thread wouldn't be necessary. Everybody wins!

Also, isn't what you said a little hypocritical?

"No matter what rules we set up, ultimately, the only one responsible for your trades and making sure you don't get ripped off is you..."

Serebii will allow players to get "Ripped Off" if they aren't responsible for what they are trading, yet Serebii practices a "No Trade" policy with other Pokes (*cougharceuscough*), because they are affraid of hackers ripping people off?

Could you make an attempt to at least be honest with people and let them know it is a case by case basis as to what we here at Serebii will follow the guidelines of, when we are bored, and if we feel like it.

Below would be the example of what I would be talking about forn not all that many posts ago......

For those of you wanting to know about the Arceus Event, it is officiallly being released IN JAPAN on the 18th of this month.

Also, I have PM'd SkittyOnWailord about the US Shores rule, and Skitty does not personally agree with it, stating that iwas the majority decision of other mods here at Serebii to have that rule. This rule is in place due to the possibilty of hack being traded.

Though I can see the moderators points on this, any SERIOUS event collectors are going to know the difference. The US Shores rule should be removed. It should be the responsability of the people trading to know EXACTLY what they are trading to each other. What happens on the forums would be a moderators bussiness, what happens while trading Pokes on the Nintendo DS, however, should not be.

All right guys, let's try not to derail this thread. It's suggestions, not debating back and forth :/.

Anyways, the reasoning behind some Pokemon (Arceus, shiny Jirachi, etc) being "forbidden" is that they're in such high demand with so few available that many of them are likely to be hacks. The Movie Arceus will not lift its ban, but if a WiFi event for Arceus (even if it's only for Japan) will lift it because it'll increase the number of available ones greatly. Same thing if there is ever a SRable Jirachi or Celebi event. If you don't like that rule, PM Joe himself because that's his rule.

As for the other Japanese events being available, they're not in as high of a demand. Yes, PCP is popular, but you can still get a regular shiny Pichu, as such it's not in quite as high of a demand. This is the only way to get a legit Arceus so far, so it's in very high demand and it's very unlikely that you'll be able to get a legitimate one (barring AR clones, because SPPf doesn't endorse using AR, even for cloning).

Case and point, everyone must understand the mods here at Serebii will moderate your trade when when, and if, they feel like it.

[Aeros]

You say that sometimes people run off with it, but setting up a specific thread for it won't change that. No matter what rules we set up, ultimately, the only one responsible for your trades and making sure you don't get ripped off is you, and that would still apply with a specific thread, so I really don't see how that's helpful.

What I'm saying is that if people are able to find other people who want the same service, then there is less of a chance of them running off during the trade because the other person still has their pokemon. The pokemon, in effect, become collaterl (sp?) so that the other person will hold up their end of the deal.

[James Bondage]

I'm not sure this would be viable for a thread. Most people know the GTS Evolution trick. I think, at best, have a locked sticky stating the steps of how to do the GTS Evolution trick might be helpful though. Kind of like what they have for the PBR section about the Unlockables for that game.

I will volunteer to type this up. When it is completed I will pass it along to SkittyOnWailord, Ellie, or Erik Destler and request it be stickied in the trade forums.

I think a sticky such as the one I stated woud help the users not get their Pokemon's stolen, and help the mods, so that a full, Evolution Trade thread wouldn't be necessary. Everybody wins!

You say that sometimes people run off with it, but setting up a specific thread for it won't change that. No matter what rules we set up, ultimately, the only one responsible for your trades and making sure you don't get ripped off is you, and that would still apply with a specific thread, so I really don't see how that's helpful.

What I'm saying is that if people are able to find other people who want the same service, then there is less of a chance of them running off during the trade because the other person still has their pokemon. The pokemon, in effect, become collaterl (sp?) so that the other person will hold up their end of the deal.

Jesus Christ, did either of you bother reading my post??? Here, I will post a shortened version of what I said I was going to type up before...

Step 1) Put the Pokemon you want to evolve onto the GTS, and ask for something impossible in return (i.e. A level 1-9 Charizard).

Step 2) Search for, and trade for something that is easily obtainable, and a person wouldn't be asking alot for (i.e. A low level Bidoof).

Step 3) When that trade has been completed, take back the Pokemon you ofered for the level 1-9 Charizard. It will Evolve.

*side note* This also works for Pokemon that need held items to evolve, as well. Just make sure they are holding the correct hold item.


REALLY...do you think an entire thread needs to be devoted to the forums for something that is really that easy???