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    Since the last thread seemingly died and/or people were just not fascinated with Spring Training, Baseball is back and kicking... Here's to a new season

    Open discussion about America's Past Time as well as games happening around the league.

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    The Tigers are 2-0 so far. Hopefully this will be a good baseball season for Detroit. Last season was a disappointment....

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    So far the big story of the early season is Trevor Story 4 home runs in his first 3 major league games and he plays for the Rookies so expect a lot of home runs from that guy

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    Honestly, I can really only see another Mets/Cubs NLCS. The Pirates might make a run at it, yeah, but that's the only one that sounds plausible to me.


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    Interesting Story's for me include:

    1. Dodgers historic shutout starts

    2. Story's 4 HR's in first 3 games of his career

    3. Victor Martinez Homering from both sides of the plate in a Pinch Hitting Role back to back nights
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    The Diamondbacks pitching imploded last night and they gave up 14 runs to a really good Cubs offense.

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    Story home run in each of his first 4 major league games now wow

    edit: He is at 6 home runs now amazing

    edit 2: Dodger starter goes 7 1/3 innings without giving up a hit and then bullpen comes in and gives up a home run so he has his run given up before he gave he got his hit given up thanks bullpen lol
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    Jordan Zimmermann looked great in his Tigers debut.

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    Story failed to make it 5 straight games with a home run

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    Wow at that come from behind win that the Cubs just pulled against the Reds after being no hit until the 7th inning. Addison Russell hits the game winning 3 run home run in the 8th.

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    Must suck to be a Twins fan, no one has ever made the post season starting 0-7 for the season and I don't see any reason to think they can be the first team to change that when their pitching staff didn't change one bit from last season.

    On another note, maybe the Tigers should fool Verlander into thinking it's May, because his April starts sure are brutal. Credit to the Pirates though, they're still a pretty damn good team
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    The Detroit Tigers lost a legend tonight. Broadcaster Paul Carey passed away at age 88. I always remember hearing my great-grandfather talk about Paul Carey. My great-grandfather was a big time Tigers fan. Unfortunately my great-grandfather passed away last year....

    The Tigers beat the Pirates 8-2. The Pirates are a tough team. I was very impressed with Justin Upton.

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    Maeda was has been amazing so for the dodgers so far only giving up 1 run in 3 starts Greinke who lol

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    The Cubs are off to a 10-3 start. Wow, that's incredible for them! I'm a Tigers fan all the way, but I was pulling for the Cubs to win it all in the playoffs. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Cubs make another run.

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    I'm cheering against the Cubs... Why? Well, I am a Rays fan.

    As for the Rays, we decide we can finally start Pitching well as soon as are Batting sharply declines early in the year. Just gotta beat the Red Sox with Archer on the mound and we're back at .500, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caused View Post
    I'm cheering against the Cubs... Why? Well, I am a Rays fan.
    Story checks out. Natural rivals and all that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    Story checks out. Natural rivals and all that.
    Nah, it's because of Joe Maddon. The first chance he got, he booked on us. The only way I'd want to see the Cubs in the WS is for us to play them, and for us to, of course, win... or for them to get blown out on National TV by some other team.

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    Perhaps instead of blaming the Cubs, be angrier at:

    • Your fans for not showing up
    • Your city for stifling efforts to build a new ballpark
    • Your team for being unwilling/unable to support Maddon with resources
    • Your general manager for departing to a very wealthy team when the opportunity arose


    Not for nothing, but that last part is what allowed Maddon to leave in the first place.

    Seems to me your ire is vastly misplaced.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    Perhaps instead of blaming the Cubs, be angrier at:

    • Your fans for not showing up
    • Your city for stifling efforts to build a new ballpark
    • Your team for being unwilling/unable to support Maddon with resources
    • Your general manager for departing to a very wealthy team when the opportunity arose


    Not for nothing, but that last part is what allowed Maddon to leave in the first place.
    I whole heartedly disagree with all of this.

    The Stadium search, and fans "not showing up" doesn't affect what the Manager has to worry about... and the second situation has improved greatly this year.

    The later two are just off. This team might be built on an air tight budget, but the new GM Matt Silverman has a good job finding talent. We've aquired players like Stephen Souza, Erasmo Ramirez and Corey Dickerson for peanuts, and players that debuted in Maddon's last season in Kiermaier and Forsythe have also played at a high level. We're still a team with playoff level talent, and he left the organization because he has no loyalty. He didn't even give the Rays a chance to match any offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caused View Post
    The Stadium search, and fans "not showing up" doesn't affect what the Manager has to worry about...
    I didn't say they were his problem. I did say they affect the environment in which he's working. In a complete vacuum, you get to go to work at Wrigley Field for 81 days each season, or you get to go to the Trop.

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    The later two are just off. This team might be built on an air tight budget, but the new GM Matt Silverman has a good job finding talent. We've aquired players like Stephen Souza, Erasmo Ramirez and Corey Dickerson for peanuts
    Of those three, Souza is the only one to write home about, really. Ramirez is "just a guy" and Dickerson was a Coors Field product. And that doesn't change the fact that they were acquired after Maddon's tenure, which sort of makes them irrelevant to the discussion.

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    Kiermaier and Forsythe have also played at a high level
    Kiermaier's glove is very good and will carry him for many years, enough so to make up for the bat deficiencies - an OPS+ of 97 last season puts him just under league average, offensively, so that high WAR is almost entirely from his defense. Forsythe is good but not great, though being a middle infielder helps the bat play up considerably.

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    We're still a team with playoff level talent
    The Rays were second-to-last in the AL in runs scored last season and they are last in the AL in runs scored this season, though we are just over two weeks in. That is not a "playoff level" offense.

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    he left the organization because he has no loyalty. He didn't even give the Rays a chance to match any offer.
    That's a false narrative that ignores all the aforementioned issues. He left because the Cubs offered him more money, a better front office, a considerably larger payroll and a stronger roster and farm system, among other things. Are you telling me you wouldn't take an upgrade of that magnitude if you were "unemployed" or "a free agent" or whatever you want to call it - that is, in a position to take any job you wanted, as Maddon was after opting out, an option that only manifested because Friedman left (where's the ire towards him?).

    I don't mean to make this a total indictment of the situation he left behind, but he had the chance to take a position that was a considerable upgrade, free and clear, and did so. Not only would you do the same in that situation, but painting Maddon as some sort of traitor and the Cubs as the big bad entity who enabled him willfully ignores why he left in the first place.


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    Okay, it's pretty apparent you don't know anything about the Rays, so I'll close this discussion...

    The Rays were a team that was 7th in the AL in BA, and 8th in HRs, and 5th in stolen bases. The Rays had a rookie manager, and numerous injuries that helped contribute to bad run production, something a certain Joe Maddon is famous for maximizing in his units. You can't say anything about the team after only 13 games, that's much to small a sample size.

    You downplay guys like Erasmo Ramirez, who has a sub 3 ERA since becoming a starter on April 25, 2015, Corey Dickerson, who's already hit 4 Home runs this year (small sample size yes, but even his statistics are above average on the road, beside a dip in BA) and Logan Forsythe, who's been a sabremetric warrior. The Rays might not have the World's deepest Farm, but it's still ever since the Cubs brought up Kris Bryant, I haven't seen anyone gushing over their Farm. In fact, Baseball America ranks the Rays (#13) higher than the Cubs (#20.)

    If he wanted to go to a highly respected organization, I know the Twins and Rangers were looking for managers, and I know the Dodgers and Nats had Don Mattingly and Matt Williams on very short leases. Instead, he went to a team that hadn't won a playoff game since 2003, and have been noted as being fairly dysfunctional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caused View Post
    Okay, it's pretty apparent you don't know anything about the Rays
    Not even remotely true, but even if it were, that wouldn't preclude me from reading a stat sheet.

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    The Rays were a team that was 7th in the AL in BA, and 8th in HRs, and 5th in stolen bases.
    And yet they were still second-to-last in runs scored. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the first two of those three stats were below league average.

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    something a certain Joe Maddon is famous for maximizing in his units.
    Well sure. He wasn't in high demand because he's a bad manager.

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    You can't say anything about the team after only 13 games, that's much to small a sample size.
    I did say it is very early, but it's still a troubling trend.

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    but it's still ever since the Cubs brought up Kris Bryant, I haven't seen anyone gushing over their Farm.
    That could be because they graduated their top talent to the majors last season.

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    In fact, Baseball America ranks the Rays (#13) higher than the Cubs (#20.)
    And they were the outliers. Keith Law has them 4th (also probably an outlier) and the other resources had them somewhere in the middle, which is probably closer to the truth.

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    If he wanted to go to a highly respected organization
    The notion that the Cubs are not "highly respected" is laughable, but continue.

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    the Twins
    Bad team.

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    Rangers
    Banister had already been named their manager when Joe opted out.

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    Instead, he went to a team that hadn't won a playoff game since 2003
    And they won 97 games plus another four in the playoffs. Seems to have worked out pretty well for both sides.

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    have been noted as being fairly dysfunctional.
    By whom? No one calls them that.

    Again, this isn't an indictment of the situation Joe left, as much as you've attempted to turn it into one. For their strengths, and they do have them, the Rays are a team with tremendous difficulty attracting and keeping free agents and a low payroll and a scruffy stadium to go with that. You can be a fan of your team and still be objective about all of that, without trying to paint other parties as the villains while saying "sure but you know who REALLY has problems? That team he went to where he found a ton of success!" If you're completely unwilling to admit the unattractiveness of parts of Tampa's situation and why someone might want to leave, I can do little else here.


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    Wow so many fans of other teams really seem threatened by the Cubs with this as well as some Cardinals fans still whining over losing Jason Heyward to the Cubs. Its encouraging to see lol.

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    Funny, not even 24 hours after how we want to say how much this player and that player are just products of their environment, or aren't worth the trouble, and how the Rays can't score... we get a banner win in Boston. In which, Forsythe got 3 hits and 2 walks, Souza batted in 2, KK scored twice along with his usual defense, Dickerson hit a clutch double to seal it, and Erasmo Ramirez continues his near dominant stretch to get his 4th win of the season.

    So much worse than those Perennial Contenders in the Cubs, huh? They're such a great organization, they didn't even need Maddon, huh?

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    Jake Arrieta just pitched another no hitter in a Cubs 16-0 win against the Reds.

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