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    BW for instance was intended to be a reboot series, but they added in the 'unexpected' appearance of Hikari to settle for that. As much as I disliked it, they still haven't managed to forget Pearlshipping along with the constant parallels between Satoshi with Oshawott vs Hikari and Piplup throughout BW even when Hikari wasn't around. Maybe it was because of lazy animation or whatever, maybe i'm reading too much into it, but the similarities are too similar that I just can't seem to ignore them. I just can't help it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karczx View Post
    BW for instance was intended to be a reboot series, but they added in the 'unexpected' appearance of Hikari to settle for that. As much as I disliked it, they still haven't managed to forget Pearlshipping along with the constant parallels between Satoshi with Oshawott vs Hikari and Piplup throughout BW even when Hikari wasn't around. Maybe it was because of lazy animation or whatever, maybe i'm reading too much into it, but the similarities are too similar that I just can't seem to ignore them. I just can't help it.
    Yeah I feel ya whenever I see stuff that harkens back to Pearlshipping or anything in BW or BW2 I always get excited but try to watch my optimism. If you watch the Japanese 14th and 15th movies and look at the lyrics to the ending songs especially the 15th movie you can surmise that Pearl is being harkened too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikatoshi26 View Post
    Yeah I feel ya whenever I see stuff that harkens back to Pearlshipping or anything in BW or BW2 I always get excited but try to watch my optimism. If you watch the Japanese 14th and 15th movies and look at the lyrics to the ending songs especially the 15th movie you can surmise that Pearl is being harkened too.

    2 things, the first why do you think that the ending of movie 15th is about dawn and ash?, i mean there is even a daijobu, hai taichii or something with you could help your opinion, (dont misunderstand me i would love that would be true) and second can someone can be so kind to put the lyrics here? (sorry if my english is bad even though i practice my english i can´t improve it yet for the moment )

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    could l join this shipping ?l like this shipping very much 。

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    Anyone can join if they love Pearlshipping. So welcome to the thread~

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    Quote Originally Posted by cf16polo View Post
    2 things, the first why do you think that the ending of movie 15th is about dawn and ash?, i mean there is even a daijobu, hai taichii or something with you could help your opinion, (dont misunderstand me i would love that would be true) and second can someone can be so kind to put the lyrics here? (sorry if my english is bad even though i practice my english i can´t improve it yet for the moment )
    Here are the lyrics and yes there is a daijobu in the lyrics which is why I began thinking it also movie 15 came out in between ep. 4-5 of BW2 in the middle of Hikari's cameo.

        Spoiler:- Too long- Lyrics:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikatoshi26 View Post
    Here are the lyrics and yes there is a daijobu in the lyrics which is why I began thinking it also movie 15 came out in between ep. 4-5 of BW2 in the middle of Hikari's cameo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmellYaLater View Post
    This is why pokemon in Japanese is so much better. They practically got rid of half the Pearlshipping hints in the dubbed version.
    If you were to ask me, it's preferential bias by the localization/dubbing teams. To them, it's about removing *cough* the 'competition' *cough*.

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    The Japanese writers still care about Pearlshipping, and I think Dawn was their favorite girl they had to work with. Most Pokemon promotions in Japan during Gen 4 revolve around Ash and Dawn together (with their Pokemon). I don't think you see this anymore, at least until they bring back Dawn.
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    nobody comes back so long like her
    so l think dawn is fortunate.(my English is not good enough.Please include more.thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by karczx View Post
    If you were to ask me, it's preferential bias by the localization/dubbing teams. To them, it's about removing *cough* the 'competition' *cough*.

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    The Japanese writers still care about Pearlshipping, and I think Dawn was their favorite girl they had to work with. Most Pokemon promotions in Japan during Gen 4 revolve around Ash and Dawn together (with their Pokemon). I don't think you see this anymore, at least until they bring back Dawn.
    I am not sure if they care for Pearlshipping, but they care for Dawn that's for sure. She was pretty popular... and I guess that's pretty good for us PearlShippers. But I seriously wish Pokemon were more shippy. I mean I would have loved more of the stuff we had when Lyra appeared. Lyra teasing if Ash is her boyfriend, Lyra asking whom Dawn would pick of the three. etc. etc.

    I'd love Dawn to return and hopefully if she comes back(which might not happen)...I'd want them to somehow get rid of Pochama. That guy is annoying and ruins Pearlshipping for me. Then I'd prefer few shipping moments in the canon. Even dense people can have romantic moments, right?

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    l think people both like dawn and pearlshipping arenot they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lei17lei18 View Post
    l think people both like dawn and pearlshipping arenot they?
    People who like Dawn can also be Ikarishippers or comakarishippers like me (I still prefer pearl though :P).

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    Hi everyone! I've been reading this PearlShipping thread for a while now and I'd love to join! No one seems to be answering this question anymore so I guess I'll take a shot:

    What do you like about PearlShipping? (As said in the first post of the thread)

    My answer to that is how innocent their shipping is. Both Satoshi and Hikari are dense (Satoshi more than Hikari) and their personalities are so similar. I would like to think they're in love with each other without really knowing it. After all, they're constantly high-giving each other and encouraging each other (Hikari with the cheer-leading, Satoshi with watching all of her contests). Plus, they look really cute together!

    On a separate note, I don't mind other shippings. I think other shippings are really cute (like Advance and Coma) but at the end of the day, I have to go with Pearl :3

    Top 5 Hints:

    1. In the BW2 Season, when Hikari tells the group she's going to go back to Johto for a "special contest," Satoshi intuitively knows it's the Mikuri Cup without her ever telling him. (Just shows how well they know each other!)
    2. In the tenth movie, Satoshi basically saves Hikari from that fall off the balloon. I remember squealing over that. >.>'
    3. In the twelfth movie, Satoshi and Hikari are splashing each other with water. I squealed here too lol.
    4. I'm not sure of this counts but I'll do my best to explain. The song "Ice Cream Syndrome" at the thirteenth movie was really sad and happy at the same time and I basically felt that this was a tribute to Satoshi's and Hikari's close friendship next to the song "High Touch." Just listen to the ending! It sounds so sad yet happy at the same time which reminds me of how Satoshi and Hikari are sad to leave each other yet happy they spent all of the time together. I know the lyrics don't seem to resonate with the SatoHika pairing at all, but I thought of it this way: the lyrics definitely show that there is one-sided-ness, having the text use first person to describe one's thoughts. This could possibly be Hikari's viewpoint or even Satoshi's (though it's probably unlikely) subconsciously feeling this way towards one another. Welp, I dunno how much sense that made but I hope I got my point on this one across.
    5. The episode where Hikari put on that really weird and funny circus act for Satoshi after he lost his full battle with Shinji.

    On a final note, it's interesting how the previous posts talk about how the ending songs for both movies in the BW season are basically this reminiscent-like dedication towards the SatoHika pairing. I never thought of it that way, because I was probably too lazy to even notice something like that. But now that I look at the lyrics it really sticks out like a sore thumb. That said, I really do feel like Satoshi and Hikari subconsciously miss each other a lot more than they do consciously. In fact, I would say it's more of Hikari's sidepoint but maybe I'm looking into that too far lol. Anyways thanks for bringing that interesting point up! I'll highlight some of the things that really freaked me out. Actually, it's more of a mini-analysis of selected verses, but I wanna share my thoughts on them anyway.

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    While I am imbued in loneliness
    With yesterday
    Sigh, I really want to say goodbye
    Wanna stand by, myself
    - sounds like Hikari's POV here, considering Hikari was lonely after Satoshi and Takeshi left at DP191

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    Believe our way
    When we are apart
    But still
    I feel our souls are connected
    To you, who taught me
    To smile while floating in the sky
    - also sounds like Hikari here, having Satoshi give confidence to Hikari in all of her contests and whatnot
    Tonight I'll sleep too
    Good night, my dream

    When I count the amount of sorrows I have
    Seems like people have the ability to be nice
    So really, I won't cry
    - the ending scene at DP191, where Hikari is about to cry and Satoshi's like "Daijoubu!" This one really brought my attention.

    I entrusted myself to you
    The treasure box you've been trying to hide
    Let's open it now
    - this line reminds me of how Satoshi is the only one who shares high-fives with her and that's their "treasure box" because it's technically physical contact between Satsohi and Hikari. After all, we've never seen Satoshi physically high-five anyone else in the anime. Well, maybe that's not a logical way of looking at it. It does say "Let's open it together" so I'm probably wrong there.

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    Believe our way
    I cannot meet you
    But someday, you will laugh
    The wind and stars I see
    All of them are watching over me
    I guess I will believe it
    - the hope that the two may see each other one day and possibly travel with each other (though we don't know how if it'll happen, the producers/writers of the anime really keep surprising us with new surprises. Everyone keeps predicting what will happen in the other forums/threads and their predictions are usually wrong no matter how confident they seem)
    Good night my dream

    I'm not sure how accurate Bulbapedia is, considering a lot of people have said that their translations are inaccurate or whatever. When I first read that I went "Whoa!" So yeah, thanks. :3 When I have time, I'll answer the other questions from the previous posts.
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    Hi guys! I guess It's been a long time since I post hereXD Anyways, I just wanna drop by and show this doodle of mine..http://uta-makoto-chan.deviantart.co...isce-374353392
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashist_Wilketch View Post
    Hi guys! I guess It's been a long time since I post hereXD Anyways, I just wanna drop by and show this doodle of mine..http://uta-makoto-chan.deviantart.co...isce-374353392
    Oh yeah, I've seen new members as well, welcome guys!
    That's so cute! I don't have a deviantArt so I'll just comment via this post. I love how it's just a simple doodle/sketch, and for some reason, it just seems so natural and relaxing! Maybe it's because you didn't really draw Satoshi's eyes so it made it look really ambiguous (in the best way possible). And I love how that high-five is drawn, even though it's back to back and not really palm to palm. I still like it a lot though! Really good job! :3 I will never be able to draw well at all. My talent lies in music/languages/sounds in general. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutumnWonderland View Post
    That's so cute! I don't have a deviantArt so I'll just comment via this post. I love how it's just a simple doodle/sketch, and for some reason, it just seems so natural and relaxing! Maybe it's because you didn't really draw Satoshi's eyes so it made it look really ambiguous (in the best way possible). And I love how that high-five is drawn, even though it's back to back and not really palm to palm. I still like it a lot though! Really good job! :3 I will never be able to draw well at all. My talent lies in music/languages/sounds in general. :P
    All are welcomed to the Pearlshipping thread provided you're a Pearl fan Also I love your analysis on the lyrics of Memories I posted it is similar to how I picked it up and the translation is pretty accurate I don't know about other songs but its pretty accurate.


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    So sorry about not getting on here again!! I have a lot of stuff I have to do for the end of the school year, but I now have another chance (:

    I really wish I could watch the original japanese pkmn episodes. I hear they have a lot of pearl hints that were not in the dubbed versions. The only place I know of that I can watch the episodes has them english dubbed and i can't find any other good sites. The lyrics to Hi touch sound cool and mysterious (can those two adjectives be combined?). I want to hear the song at the start of an episode.

    I also wanted to ask which day Pearl day is. Can anyone give me an answer on that??

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutumnWonderland View Post
    That's so cute! I don't have a deviantArt so I'll just comment via this post. I love how it's just a simple doodle/sketch, and for some reason, it just seems so natural and relaxing! Maybe it's because you didn't really draw Satoshi's eyes so it made it look really ambiguous (in the best way possible). And I love how that high-five is drawn, even though it's back to back and not really palm to palm. I still like it a lot though! Really good job! :3 I will never be able to draw well at all. My talent lies in music/languages/sounds in general. :P
    l also have deviantART. there are many good pictures and drawer but l cannot draw well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashiemore View Post
    So sorry about not getting on here again!! I have a lot of stuff I have to do for the end of the school year, but I now have another chance (:

    I really wish I could watch the original japanese pkmn episodes. I hear they have a lot of pearl hints that were not in the dubbed versions. The only place I know of that I can watch the episodes has them english dubbed and i can't find any other good sites. The lyrics to Hi touch sound cool and mysterious (can those two adjectives be combined?). I want to hear the song at the start of an episode.

    I also wanted to ask which day Pearl day is. Can anyone give me an answer on that??

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    Quote Originally Posted by karczx View Post
    There are no subbed/raw streaming sites for Pokemon. I had to get those episodes through     Spoiler:- spoiler:
    If you go to Anidb.net you can find subbers groups that have done Pokemon. I have every DP episode in Japanese whether subbed or RAW.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikatoshi26 View Post
    If you go to Anidb.net you can find subbers groups that have done Pokemon. I have every DP episode in Japanese whether subbed or RAW.
    what is subbed or RAW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lei17lei18 View Post
    what is subbed or RAW?
    Subbed is when there are subtitles added to the video, raw is an original copy of the episode, no subs or anything

    Sorry about not posting anything, just didn't feel like I had anything to contribute

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    Here's an old piece of fanart I recently stumbled across that I think you'll like. Art by May/picca_.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karczx View Post
    You mean this?
    http://anime.biglobe.ne.jp/userranking/chara/41082/


    Most Japanese girls don't identify with Misty and Iris, they identify with Dawn because she represents the ideal Japanese girl (Mainly a girly girl version of OS Ash). A lot of Japanese guys like Dawn as well because she's their ideal girl companion. But most of them prefer May. Therefore, Pearlshipping is mainly popular amongst girls (and male fans of Dawn) in Japan. Which is why the removal of Dawn from the series caused a backlash amongst fans because Dawn and her Piplup are almost as iconic as Ash and his Pikachu.

    Despite what people hear, a lot of Japanese dislike tsunderes and many are getting fed up with tsunderes so they prefer less 'masculine' girls. There was a huge uproar when an anime studio decided to adopt a manga series and ended up turning a Type B tsundere into a Type A tsundere.
    That's really interesting considering that I'm an Asian myself. I have two Japanese friends (both girls) who seem to prefer Hikari over every other girl, and it goes for me too. In general, I don't mind tsunderes, or the idea of a "masculine girl". I mean, both Kasumi and Haruka have strong values and whatnot, but Hikari has as much as strong values as they do. It's just that Hikari will defend her values in a socially tolerant gentle voice while Kasumi and Haruka might start screaming and ranting really loudly about what they believe in. The same thing applies with my Japanese friends/myself and most of my Asian friends in general. If someone starts insulting my Japanese friends, they won't fight about it but they'll deal with it kind of like how Hikari deals with Urara no matter how many times she tells Hikari "Your victory was just a fluke!" Whereas I could imagine Haruka and Kasumi rather getting all hotheaded and loud about it.

    Traditionally, Japanese (and Asians in general) would prefer girls to be quiet (but not submissive, that's the Madame Butterfly stereotype) and gentle, but at the same time, be able to hold down their values and not give theirselves up to someone else. I think Hikari is able to fit this definition really well: kind and gentle, but has her own values she believes in (and she won't scream about it the way Kasumi/Haruka would). A lot of Asians I know would prefer not to be loud either (though there are Asians who are loud, but they aren't as common).

    Anyways, that's my mini-rant. Just wanted to get that over with. It doesn't really have anything to do with PearlShipping so I'm sorry. >.>'

    Here's my main point!

    I got bored and decided to start analyzing other lyrics from every movie song ending starting from the 11th movie (Giratina and Shaymin). I'll post up the other lyrics too. I have a feeling that every movie ending since the 11th movie as something to do with PearlShipping. Maybe I'm looking into it too much but that's the fun of it! Looking into things too much is totally fun for me and I enjoy it! Hope you like this analysis!

    Song: ONE
    Artist: Crystal Kay

    I see you chatting away with friends
    Wind, please don’t take him away
    Ah, to somewhere beyond time
    The future within mirage
    I can’t see it yet
    As we will become adults,
    Where will we end up?
    - sounds like Hikari hoping that nothing (or wind, in this case) won't take Satoshi away. She's also wondering what happens when they're adults, maybe?

    You are the one
    As an irreplaceable friend
    And someone more than that
    You gently give me the strength to move forward
    For that, I love you
    With a feeling that will never change
    - more PearlShippiness. This one should be a no-brainer. "You gently give me the strength to move forward" --> golden! We all know how Satoshi has stayed with Hikari in all of her contests and we all know how they learned from one another using different techniques like Counter Shield and what not.
    With this heart that never lies
    I just want to tell you, "Thank you, my one"


    Surely, I expect to see you tomorrow
    I travel in times believing so
    Ah, to somewhere beyond dreams
    The word called "destiny",
    I don’t understand it yet
    Because you are so radiant
    I’m hesitating a little
    - a little tricky for me, but I'd say something like Hikari's fear of not seeing him once they're done traveling?

    You are the one
    The shapeless promise
    And the memory greater than that
    I can still believe in them
    Even at night when we are far away
    With a feeling that makes up nothing
    With this heart that is always stronger
    I just want to stay like this, crying the same tears
    - Hikari will always remember the memories she's had with Satoshi, saying "You are the one." After all, Satoshi (and Takeshi) were her first friends to travel around Sinnoh. And that fact is never going to change.

    Thousands of flower petals come pouring down
    On us
    - can't really get any analyzing out of this line here except for Satoshi and Hikari standing together with Pikachu and Pochama at their sides having literally thousands of flower petals come pouring down on them.

    You are the one
    As an irreplaceable friend
    And someone more than that
    You gently give me the strength to move forward
    For that, I love you
    With a feeling that will never change
    With this heart that never lies
    I just want to tell you, "Thank you, my one"
    - Hikari's final thoughts on the final verse of the song! This one isn't so hard either. She's obviously grateful towards Satoshi (and Takeshi...? but this is PearlShipping so he's outta the picture) for always encouraging her and whatnot. I can't imagine Hikari ever lying (considering how she's usually frank and honest like Satoshi himself) hence the "With this heart that never lies" line. Obviously, in the end, she says "Thank you, my one" ("my one" being Satoshi). Actually, this is the same verse as before so I really shouldn't have written anything since it's the same. Still, there are some thoughts here that I didn't write in the other so I'll just keep it this way.

    Credit to Bulbapedia for the lyrics. And that ends my mini-analysis on this song! Hope you enjoyed reading it! I'll probably post up the other song lyrics later and analyze them if any if you like reading them.

    One last note: the Pokemon Diamond&Pearl series by Sakai Takayuki has always interested me! So, I'm currently in the middle of working on the first chapter for a fanfic writing about what it would be like if only Satoshi and Hikari traveled around the Sinnoh region. I love Takeshi (I love nearly every character) but because he was literally thrown in the back of the trunk in the DP series I couldn't include him in my fanfic. This fanfic is basically my attempt to write a journey of Satoshi and Hikari around the Sinnoh region. I couldn't find the manga (Takayuki's) online. If I did, I'd get the manga with Hareta (being the Diamond&Pearl adventures with no Satoshi or Hikari). I looked through this thread (on page 200-something) and it looked like there was a project though it seems that no one will ever complete it.

    So basically, all in all, I found out about Pokemon Diamond&Pearl by Sakai Takayuki, did research and found almost no translations. I was really curious as to how it would continue so I decided to write a fanfic including just them traveling around the region. I had to change a lot of things though, like how Takeshi isn't in the picture. When I'm done with the first chapter, I'll probably post it up on my ff.net account. Just a heads up if anyone's interested!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00poke_maniac View Post
    Here's an old piece of fanart I recently stumbled across that I think you'll like. Art by May/picca_.
    that's a really cute picture :3

    Quote Originally Posted by AutumnWonderland View Post
    So basically, all in all, I found out about Pokemon Diamond&Pearl by Sakai Takayuki, did research and found almost no translations. I was really curious as to how it would continue so I decided to write a fanfic including just them traveling around the region. I had to change a lot of things though, like how Takeshi isn't in the picture. When I'm done with the first chapter, I'll probably post it up on my ff.net account. Just a heads up if anyone's interested!
    I'll take a look at it when you finish

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