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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudkip Oshawott Piplup View Post

    Diamond & Pearl:
    -Paul would be an overall better character, maybe some what like Gary Oak.
    I disagree, I thought that Paul was treated way better than Gary, he appeared and battled Ash more, while Gary rarely ever battled with Ash, and Also Paul felt more like a rival to Ash then Gary was imo, because of how their battling styles and personalities clashed with each other. Paul was actually the best rival for Ash imo.

    XY:
    -Brock & Misty would return again for a few episodes. They tell Ash that they are officially dating, and it makes him feel happy for them, but also kind of like the third wheel of the group. Also, after thet leave, Ash calls them on occasion. Sometimes individually or together.
    I really don't think Brock or Misty need to return as they have no relevance at all in XY or ORAS. They pretty much have appeared in some shape or form in every series so far anyways, so I would like a break for a while from seeing either of them again.
    -Serena would be a Coordinator, have a career we've not yet seen, or be a Connoisseur.
    I agree with this, it would be great to see either as long as she gets more screen time and is more active.
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    If i was in charge as far as giving second chances to older characters goes i would bring Misty back to main cast.

    Not forever, but for one more region as way to tie up lose ends, enjoy in her full of energy and endearing flare recognizable personality. Seeing her in actioon moving forward with her dreams again using collected experience at gym as mean of having easier time in coping with new challenges, trainers and more demanding obstacles she would need to overcome to develop more ingenious techniques, get enriched with new knowledge.

    She is imo great character having full of color dynamic and best chemistry with group. Knowing how to bring lot of energy and life in just about any group combination enjoying in her antics, flirty escapades and spunky, curious nature.

    Purpose being return would be in advancing her goals of becoming water pokemon master , learn about new water pokemon and ways how to bring their full power on surface, Meet legendary water pokemon coming to realization how to bond with them on closer level and learn from other water experts.

    There would be chain of water related tournaments similar to Whirl Cup expanding on what sea priestess Maya said about water heroes in past and what future steps are required to accomplish in achieving title of master.

    Also this would raise up opportunity to learn more about her character,backstory,her family(aside from sisters) etc,bringing more comedy and something fresh on show,aswell getting to see her pokemon more often.

    With there existing potential to be done a lot more with her character, unexplored fears and issues aside from her water dreams(ill list just two of many examples through which i would develop this character more;
    1.)-Surskit both big and water pokemon opening pandora box of character going through struggle and selfquestioning with her prejudices getting a way of accepting it having to learn how to get over her despise making massive step forward as trainer,

    2.)-or introduction of parents who could be high class water trainers with Misty feeling resentment over abandoning her and sisters at very young age having to grow up fast while being insecure and fearing of not meting up their expectations becoming rebelious in wanting to prove them wrong). Shippers would say there is that romantic angle to character too which was also left wide unanswered regarding main protagonist.

    Along with battling special evaluators and passing various tasks in trying to be noticed for her abilities and get taken as E4 apprentice(like either her idol Lorelei, Wallace or E4 of water pokemon Siebold learning how to become best water trainer in world).

    At end of saga Misty would be parting ways with Ash and her new friends after accompanying them on journey to go on next ladder as water enthusiast, someone who is greatly defined by them being her way of living joining one of water experts taking her as their protege .

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    Most significant change I can think of doing would be to do a complete overhaul of Dawn's arc, and have it essentially be the opposite to May's arc.

    Dawn was all set to be a great coordinator like her mother from the start. It would have served as excellent growth and deconstruction to have her try out Contests and find that she's just not cut out for the job. Have her win her first two Contests against Kenny and Zoey (the latter just barely), go into a rut, win against May (The one who started as nothing and is now the "Princess of Hoenn") to renew her confidence, but then have her lose to Lila and make her realize that she just doesn't have it in her. All the while, she would resist giving up, as a testament to her pride as the daughter of a Top Coordinator (and as a reflection of Piplup's own habitual pride). There really would be A Need to Worry.

    She would still have her battle with Maylene, but this time it would give her her first insight to the fact that there are other things to do with Pokemon besides coordinating. The Hermoine episode would still occur for this same purpose. Dawn would battle Johanna at Jubilife, but Johanna would have Dawn think about what she wants to do that would please herself, not her mother.

    Ash would still encourage her to keep pursuing the Sinnoh Contest Circuit, which she would continue to do, albeit with slightly less heart to it. She would battle Ursula, who would be retconned to also be a daughter of a former Top Coordinator and be incredibly smug about it, and she would serve as a foil to Dawn in that, holy ****, she could have been just like her. In due time thanks to encouragement from her friends, she would get her Five Ribbons (there would be no Princess Silva episode).

    In the meantime, she would frequently meet up with Gary Oak, who himself would appear much more frequently in the Sinnoh Saga. She would see that she and him are similar in many ways - they're both legacies of a popular person in the Pokemon world, and they each experienced a rut in their career. Dawn would talk with Gary on why he gave up his original desire to be a Pokemon Master, and he would confide that he saw that 1) He himself was not cut for the job, and 2) He originally wanted to be one to keep the Oak legacy alive, but eventually realized that there are other ways do so. Gary would serve as the catalyst for Dawn's character development and ultimate decision.

    (Related: It's my opinion that this was the original reason why Gary was given cameos in DP: To give Dawn a look at a result of someone giving up on their original dream and it turning out to be for the better. Dawn's fangirling over him and his grandfather's legacy is possibly a relic of that concept.)

    Grand Festival would proceed as it did originally. Dawn would kick Ursula to the curb and prove that Dawn had grown to be a much better person, and Dawn would eventually make it to the Grand Finals. But, during the Grand Finals itself, she would admit to Zoey that this would be her last Contest, and that she would give it all she's got to end her Contest career with a bang. She would still lose, but Dawn would take solace that she ended it on her own terms, and would begin anew to find something that would establish her own legacy.

    Dawn's Unova cameo would show her going with Cynthia to investigate the Undersea Ruins, and revealing that during her time away, she's been trying something similar to Gary, and looking at being a researcher.



    tl;dr: Instead of being another Contest retrek like May's arc, Dawn's arc would basically be what Gary's arc would be if we had been following Gary this entire time. A self-reflection on what it means to be the best, what is left after everything is lost, and what it takes to make someone and yourself proud. That's something that could have been worthy of the co-star name and as a contrast to Ash's "Never say die" attitude towards Pokemon Training, particularly against Paul.





    As for other stuff, I might have retconned Tracey to be a former Pokemon League Champion who had retired early on to focus on his love for Pokemon Watching, in order to give Ash a "Yay, I'm Pokemon Champion! Now what?" type of development. I'd also make Misty's Togepi/Togetic the only one of its kind in the Pokemon World, as it was originally before the Evil Togepi filler showed up. I like mythos. :3

    Speaking of Misty, have her go through internal debates on if her desire to be a Water Pokemon Master is simply that, or just a desire to be noticed and respected, just with a title added on to it. Being completely ignored by her sisters and possibly her parents should have had more psychological impacts beyond being tsundere to everything in sight. Her bonding with Togepi would not only give her growth, but since Togepi's a Normal-type, give her the idea that maybe being a WPM was a facade she herself believed.

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    To Sonic Boom:
    very interesting ideas. Some of things you guys come up with are much more innovative and engaging than what writers are capable or willing to deliver with their story and characters., Budget and resources obviously aren't issue, hence making it all that more frustrating that so much unlimited potential this anime has isn't properly used,.

    I especially like your idea of Tracey character. He definitely seemed much more mature and knowledgeable about pokemon, regulations and how world functions than Misty and Ash does with anything prior to meeting them being complete mystery.

    We dont know anything about his past, from where he comes from, who is his family, what he did before. Absolutely nothing and its very possible that occupation of becoming pokemon watcher may not be initial desire he developed in his mind.

    Afterall its not unusual that people change multiple careers in life before discovering one which truly fulfills them. Sometime that searching lasts for whole life existing cases of people in already advanced age quitting with job changing it.

    I always felt Tracey continuing with Ash, Misty in Johto would have made sense . His Scyther could have evolved, he could catch Smeargle and serve as mentor to Ash helping him in overcoming rivalry with Gary and preparing himself for Johto league.
    With region containing multitude of unique pokemon he could research and expand horizons.

    As for Misty interestingly enough there were moments where Misty showed internal doubts and struggles of being overshadowed by sisters and underesimated for her own abilities by others revealing how it had negative traces on her character to extent. Deconstructing sense of security and self preservence, building rough, more violent facade to cover up her own insecurities, fears and desire to be noticed for her own strength,.

    In addition to that it did seemed like she never received parental love or support with Takeshi Shudo in novelizations showing how just like with Brock parents abandoned Misty and sisters when they were little.

    With addition of two new persons in her life Ash and Brock along with responsibility with Togepi starting to leave influence on character becoming more open as pereson and less difficult over time developing appreciation for her friends, more tolerance and independence breaking free from sisters influence.

    Maintainin need to be selfreliant, tough and rebellious not letting others to tailor her destiny, but being more reasonable with time.

    Masin issue is that development happened, but it was at times inconsistent and scarse that way to get there didnt fluently followed final results. And that writers never dived deeper into this problems and on more noticeable level giving just hints and sometime situations when this issues came to surface.

    Speaking of her water pokemon master career i like premise of character facing dilemma of whether becoming top water trainer renowned and honored for her abilities is really something she wants to do or its just consolation mindset she developed as result of neglect and downplaying to prove how she isn't useless and has her own talents?

    Although through series writers showed how this aspect of her character is more driven by enormous love and passion for water pokemon wanting to learn as much as she can about them, become strongest user of that specie in world and eventually revealing from where such love steems from(in "Some Like it Hot". Dreaming to meet legendary water pokemon realizing their origins and secrets and what it takes to become master.

    Hoenn had excellent material to take advantage of that with Kyogre or even Manaphy in movie. (Whats with writers removing characters before regions they could fully benefit from?)

    Wanting to achieve high class status as user of this type and not hiding interest and enchabtment with strong water users like E4 member Lorelei,

    Viewing her ads idol and someone she would like to become herself one day.

    Indirectly connecting her water master career with desire to reach E4 sttrength and fame status. Which i guess made sense because her game counterpart worship Lorelei too planning to go on journey to improve skiklls and meet stronger trainers showing affinity to become more than gym leader,.

    Hence why i think taking Misty down E4 route trying to become first female E4 of water pokemon in history would be viable solution in advancing her dreams and make creative story arc out of it. Either through spin of(another set of chronicles) or by giving her temporary return in main series competing in tournaments, going through rigorous training and meeting other experts to learn about moe complex battle strategies before she becomes E4 apprentice(Siebold could be good mentor making her all fangirly lol) and eventually takes over position once older one retires.
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    I would let Pikachu evolve into Raichu at some point. It would be pretty late in the series. At this point, I honestly don't see a reason why it can't evolve. At least story wise anyways. I'm pretty sure Pikachu has long dealt with any issues he's (?) had with his evolved form, so why not?

    Just need to think of a good situation. But the key factor would be that the choice would be Pikachu's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokefandt View Post
    I would let Pikachu evolve into Raichu at some point. It would be pretty late in the series. At this point, I honestly don't see a reason why it can't evolve. At least story wise anyways. I'm pretty sure Pikachu has long dealt with any issues he's (?) had with his evolved form, so why not?

    Just need to think of a good situation. But the key factor would be that the choice would be Pikachu's.
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    I'd rarely change the anime.
    Brock would be less pervert, as of how he does many bad things and that just makes me uncomfortable.
    or Ash would actually evolve his Pokemons.
    or maybe, i don't know, Ash would be less friend-zone.
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    If I was in charge of the anime I would treat it with the same kind of cast and style reboot that Digimon has. This would allow the writers to play around with different concepts and ideas, different types of main characters and antagonists as well as be able to keep things fresh by making each saga different then the last one and allow for more creativity to be expressed through the series.
    Although just so that each sagas characters aren't forgotten I would bring them back from time to time in different sagas when there are story arches that could be used to do so such as the pokemon world tournament and even using ideas from the anime to create a logical reason for past characters to return. This would allow for even more growth of the characters.
    I would also cut down a bit on the usage of filler. Gary would appear more often and actually battle Ash more.

    The main protagonist of the OS would still be Ash but I would have him evolve his pokemon a bit more, and wouldn't get any pity badges at all.

    Kanto: Ash, Brock(who would have common breeding competitions around the regions to help give him more to do and flesh out pokemon breeding as well as having rivals such as Suzy to compete against. Misty would have water pokemon competitions which would be a multitude of things such as the water pokemon race in Altmore, timed battling on a battle field such as the one in the whirl cup but with hazards on the field to have to worry about as well as the underwater battling each one would be it's own seperate contest. After collecting 5 aqua medals water trainers would compete in a grand competition with a combination of all in which the winner will face off a grand water trainer such as Loreli. Misty would come in 8th place in kanto, 4th in OI, and would win in Johto where loreli after defeating Misty in an intense fight realizing Misty's strength and potential asks the cerulean girl to be her apprentice in which she agrees.

    Ash would have: Pikachu, Butterfree(released), Pidgeot, Bulbasaur, Wartortle, Charizard, Haunter, and would catch Mr.Mime as a reserve pokemon but would leave at home with his mom after the bond but can he still use if needed.
    Brock would have: Onix, Geodude, Golbat, Vulpix, Cubone
    Misty would have: Staryu, Seaking, Psyduck(who would grow to become a decent battler), Horsea, Togepi and maybe Krabby.

    OI The leaders would be given more characterization, Misty would catch lapras, Ash would oak his Kanto pokemon at the end. Misty would still have her tournament but would only 3 medals and Brock would enter 3 breeding competitions. Also I would make the OI saga to be a bit longer to the same amount of the BF saga was. Also Tracey wouldn't be there.
    Ash would have: Pikachu, Ivysaur, Blastoise, Charizard, Snorlax, Primape
    Brock would have: Onix, Graveler, Golbat, Ninetails, Cubone, Pink Rhyhorn(willingly joins Brock)
    Misty would have: Starmie, Psyduck, Seadra, Togepi, Lapras, Poliwag

    Johto: Gary would still become a researcher at the end but we would see more signs of that,Brock through out the saga develops into a pokemon doctor, Marina becomes a rival to Misty, less filler.
    Ash would have: Pikachu, Shiny Noctowl, Bayleaf, Feraligatr, Quilava, Tyranatar. He would get 4th place in the pokemon league and decide to travel searching for a while.
    Brock would have: Steelix, Golem, Crobat, Ninetails, Foretress and pink Rhydon. Becomes pokemon doctor and returns cubone to his mother they were searching for.
    Misty would have: Starmie, Togetic, Kingdra, Politoed, Corsola, Red Gyarados(helps concur her fear of gyarados) Becomes the apprentice of Loreli. Left psyduck and lapras at gym but uses them in the Marine Cup.

    I might do other sagas later.
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    Ash's Kalos Pokemon

    Pikachu: Obviously. Thunderbolt, Quick Attack, Iron Tail, but please, Volt Tackle instead of Electro Ball.
    Talonflame: Brave Bird, Quick Attack, Double Team, and Flame Charge/Flare Blitz as its final moves.
    Greninja: Water Shuriken, Water Pulse, Double Team, and Extrasensory as its final moves.
    Hawlucha: Flying Press, Aerial Ace, High Jump Kick, and Roost as its final moves.
    Tyrunt: Bite, Ancient Power, Dragon Claw, and Draco Meteor as its final moves.
    Bergmite - Avalugg: Ice Beam, Skull Bash, Iron Defense, and Rock Slide as its final moves.


    Serena's Pokemon

    Fennekin - Braixen: Would only involve to Braixen. Psyshock, Flamethrower, Hidden Power, and Will-O-Wisp as its final moves.
    Goomy - Sliggoo - Goodra: Body Slam, Dragon Pulse, Bide, and Power Whip as its final moves.
    Espurr - Meowstic F: Psychic, Disarming Voice, and Shadow Ball as its final moves.
    Absol: With Absolite. Night Slash, Quick Attack, Razor Wind, and Detect as its final moves.
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    Pokemon Johto Adventures: The GS Ball Arc
    Everyone remember the GS Ball, and how it wasted our time? Well that's because there was Celebi in it, and they decided to save it for the movie. I'd just have Pokemon 4Ever be built up with the anime, similar to how they did Mewtwo. Pokemon 4Ever is the main target for rewriting
    * Vicious/Iron Masked Marauder would be retooled. Let's face it, the guy was a boring "I'm evil because EEEEVIL" villain who made gross misuse of Celebi(really, you're just going to overthrow Giovanni and take over the world? You have a pixie Time Lord, go back in time and screw history over!) Vicious was originally a fellow friend of Professor Oak known as Trainer Sid, who grew embittered when Oak got accepted as a professor and he was left to languish in obscurity(part of the main reason is because his inventions were unethical). So he's using the opportunity to get rid of Professor Oak
    * We get a bad future segment. Vicious manages to get Celebi to go back 40 years ago and bully them into accepting him. Unfortunately Celebi went crazy, got rid of him and initiated Gaia's Vengeance upon the world. Sammy works with this timeline's version of Ash(who's main Pokemon is a Muk) and a good version of the Team Rocket trio to stop Celebi. Sammy awakens Celebi to its senses long enough to go back in time and stop Vicious. Vicious is stopped by his past self realizing what he'll become and fight against him, which results in Vicious being erased.
    * Celebi decides to become Professor Oak's Pokemon due to the friendship they share, with a nice mock battle

    Pokemon Johto Masters-Persona
    I think they should've ended Ash's journey at Johto, then given a new protagonist their own series for Hoenn. That being said Ash would occasionally show up, but still-Ash had really come of age at that point. One important aspect is the introduction of his father, Persona. Ash's dad is also an important antagonist, as Team Rocket Agent Shadow. You see Persona entered a Pokemon journey when Ash was very young, but failed. He joined Team Rocket to become a talented trainer, and over time Ash and co try to discover the truth behind Persona
    * Both Persona and Shadow are hammy actors, friendly yet evil. He is an old friend of Giovanni back from before either became criminals. His names refer to Carl Jung's archetypes
    * Persona manages to keep a secret identity with his Ditto. In order to seem like different people, Ditto often double duties are Shadow. When Ditto is as Shadow, Meowth can sense that's not the real Shadow(because as Pokemon, they can notice some off qualities). Ditto's transformation means it can technically talk human. His Ditto(nicknamed Shadow) considers Pokemon superior to humans

    Team Rocket's main plan is to capture the legendary beasts and then Ho-oh. Giovanni becomes aware of Ash after the trio steals Pikachu(who ends up escaping, but he doesn't mind much because Persona will be able to fool Ash regardless). Giovanni gets Entei, Persona gets Suicune and the Team Rocket trio, thanks to some new Pokemon to see if they can improve themselves, get Raikou. Yes, they were just as surprised. Using the three Ho-oh can be controlled. Persona/Shadow double crosses Giovanni to get Ho-oh as Shadow, then have his heroic Persona to step in and capture Ho-oh. However the Team Rocket trio realises this and releases Raikou to stop the double cross. Ho-oh goes crazy and is dying(in a way that doesn't explicitly say anything) from the crazies. Everyone teams up to stop this, and Ash saves Ho-oh while discovering that Persona and Shadow are one of the same. Ho-oh decides to one day let Ash try his hand at capturing it, earning friendship. The Master Ball contained Suicune waits one day for Ash to earn it by defeating it in a battle

    The tournament goes like this:
    * The Top 16 is Ash vs Ritchie, finally giving him what he deserves
    * The Top 8 is Ash vs Gary, which is unchanged
    * The Top 4 is Ash vs Harrison
    * The Top 2 is Ash vs Persona. Persona is wearing gloves to hide the Sacred Fireburns from Ho-oh. He has Suicune, saving it because he doesn't want to be exposed. Ash does ultimately lose(though Suicune is still beat), but Persona as a criminal is disqualified. Ash however refuses the win because it was out of default
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    I would definitely have Ash trade away some of his Tauros. He could get some real powerhouses that way and could actually do some trading (and trade evolution) which is a fairly big part of the games.

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    Default Pokemon Advance Redux

    A sequel series. Instead of Ash, a new protagonist based off Brendan is introduced-Ken(from Ken Sugomori, like how Ash is Satoshi of Satoshi Tajiri). This is because Ash's character development has become full circle, so a new audience surrogate is needed. Brendan is driven to beat his father Norman, and is partly used to introduce new game mechanics like abilities. May is unchanged. Wally is both a rival and companion, who's knowledge of Pokemon functions as the Brock equivalent. Max is pushed to the side. Their Pokemon?

    Brendan's Pokemon
    Slakoth-Vigoroth: The starter Pokemon of Brendan, as a gift for Brendan. What was planned ended up escape. They start off antagonistic, but over time they become friends. It evolves to help him out. Vigoroth refuses to evolve because it doesn't like Slaking's laziness
    Plusle: Cute Pikaclones generally appear
    Corphish: Same as canon

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    Ralts: As with the game, his starter
    Zizagoon: Eh
    Treecko: Its the same as Ash's in the canon

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    AG: Corphish evolves to Crawdaunt and Ash uses him and Sceptile against Tate and Liza in a glorious Bash Brothers Tag Team.
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    I have a few fun idea's for kanto and the orange Islands:

    -Ash would have captured a rhyhorn in "in the pink".

    -Primeape would have been Ash's official sixth kanto pokemon.

    -There would have been more Island badges, which Ash won by official battles.

    -Orange Islands would have lasted two seasons, since it was so good.

    -Snorlax would never be caught, and rhydon would be Ash's secondary power-house.

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    - I would've let Ash become a Pokemon Master in DP.

    - I would've had Brock become a Pokemon Breeder in AG.

    - I would've had TR become heroes and take down Giovanni and TR in AG.

    - I would've had the characters age and actually get older.

    - I would've let 4Kids keep the Pokemon dub rights, and continue to do the English dub for the remainder of its run: the only things I would've changed with their dub would've been to have no editing and more JPN BGM retained.

    - I would've had Misty change her goal to becoming a Pokemon Master like Ash, and have her do so in AG: I would've also kept Misty in the AG group.

    - I would've had less filler episodes in Johto and Sinnoh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonNation2000 View Post

    - I would've had Misty change her goal to becoming a Pokemon Master like Ash, and have her do so in AG: I would've also kept Misty in the AG group.

    - I would've had less filler episodes in Johto and Sinnoh.
    I think Misty would have even gotten worse off than she was in Johto if she had the same goal as Ash and if she stayed on the cast in AG.

    I agree 100% for Johto, but in Sinnoh there wasn't much filler at all, even that year long gap had alot of stuff going on during it, most of it wasn't even filler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn+Serena Fan View Post
    I think Misty would have even gotten worse off than she was in Johto if she had the same goal as Ash and if she stayed on the cast in AG.

    I agree 100% for Johto, but in Sinnoh there wasn't much filler at all, even that year long gap had alot of stuff going on during it, most of it wasn't even filler.
    100% Agreed, if anything she could've dragged the group down since there's not a clear way to show off her goal IMO. I think the 4-person group is fine, adding another one lead to some characters becoming background since they'd have to balance Ash, May, Max, Brock, Misty, and TR.

    Well the fillers that were in DP,were very bad IMO. But cutting down the fillers in Johto would also be a good idea IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn+Serena Fan View Post
    I think Misty would have even gotten worse off than she was in Johto if she had the same goal as Ash and if she stayed on the cast in AG.

    I agree 100% for Johto, but in Sinnoh there wasn't much filler at all, even that year long gap had alot of stuff going on during it, most of it wasn't even filler.

    I wouldn't be sure about that. This point would have hold weight if it wasnt for fact that Misty was treated great imo in late Johto Master Quest, chronicles and Hoenn appearances brimming with rich,tomboyish, playful characterization. She was full of life, interesting quirks, competitive flare and nicely matured in more responsible, outgoing, badass person which knew how to take care of things on her own. There was more strength, passion and focus on her pokemon, battle skills and own story. Gaining more identity and solid role.

    Way writers handled other characters dont translate in how would Misty be handled. Because it largely depends on someone personality, story, compatibility with new characters and plots, background and role he is put in to determine in what direction writers would take him forward.

    When assuming how would Misty be handled in case of longer stay, center of attention should be gathered on plots available for her character, personality and how flexible she was to be infiltrated in new generations. Misty could very likely end up getting treatment Clemont, May, Dawn, characters like Lyra, N from BW2 or Korrina for example received.

    We have no reliable way of knowing. Each saga has its ups and downs, but i definitely think that anime would have benefited more as well character story if Misty was allowed to stay for one more generation at very least.

    Hoenn was filled with water themes allowing to do many cool things with Misty character. Wallace, Juan which are powrrful water experts, villains like Team Aqua, legendary pokemon Kyogre, even 9th movie about Manaphy prince of sea were all great opportunities to advance Misty character and take her in many cool new dventures.
    I also felt Whirl Cup was good start exploring on mysteries about water pokemon with sea priestess Maya and prof. Elm talking about Alpha Omega of water pokemon title and sea heroes(in Japanese convoluted form of water master).

    But follow up didn't happen because Misty was replaced sadly with writers not having reason to break new grounds with it since no one in main cast would benefit from it or was water specialist like Misty was.
    But if she stayed for Hoenn given how region was filled with oceans, lakes, rivers etc would provide more than enough places to create tournaments utilizing water specie in entirely new way and define better what water master career involves. Concurently they could build character toward ending possibly as E4 member apprentice in training since they are most powerful mono specialists in world. Elaborating on connection between type masters and E4 trainers.

    I agree with PokemonNation2000, Hoenn was perfect region for Misty both character and storywise with writers wasting on this opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemon fan 132 View Post
    I wouldn't be sure about that. This point would have hold weight if it wasnt for fact that Misty was treated great imo in late Johto Master Quest, chronicles and Hoenn appearances brimming with rich, playful characterization. More strength, passion and focus on her pokemon, battle skills and own story. Gaining more identity and solid role.

    Way writers handled other characters dont translate in how would Misty be handled. Because it largely depends on someone personality, story, compatibility with new characters and plots, background and role he is put in to determine in what direction writers would take him forward.

    When assuming how would Misty be handled in case of longer stay, center of attention should be gathered on plots available for her character, personality and how flexible she was to be infiltrated in new generations. Misty could very likely end up getting treatment Clemont, May, Dawn, characters like Lyra, N from BW2 or Korrina for example received.

    We have no reliable way of knowing. Each saga has its ups and downs, but i definitely think that anime would have benefited more as well chaeacter story if Misty was allowed to stay for one more generation at very least.
    Hoenn was filled with water themes allowing to do many cool things with Misty character allowing to give way for Misty to play prominent role there. Wallace, Juan which are powrrful water experts, villains like Team Aqua, legendary pokemon Kyogre, even 9th movie about Manaphy prince of sea were all great opportunities to advance Misty character and take her in many cool new dventures.
    I also felt Whirl Cup was good start exploring on mysteries about water pokemon with sea priestess Maya and prof. Elm talking about Alpha Omega of water pokemon title and sea heroes(in Japanese convoluted form of water master).

    But follow up didn't happen because Misty was replaced sadly with writers not having reason to break new grounds with it since no one in main cast would benefit from it or was water specialist like Misty was.
    But igf she stayed for Hoenn given how region was filled with oceans, lakes, rivers etc would provide more than enough places to create tournaments utilizing water specie in entirely new way and define better what water master career involves. Concurently they could build character toward ending possibly as E4 member apprentice in training since they are most powerful mono specialists in world. Elaborating on connection between type masters and E4 trainers.

    I agree with PokemonNation2000, Hoenn was perfect region for Misty both character and storywise with writers wasting on this opportunity.
    If she stayed for AG, I wouldn't want her to have the same exact goal as Ash as it would be boring imo. It's pretty much the same reason as why none of the female companions don't do gyms alongside with Ash. If she stayed for AG, I'd rather they expanded more on her own water Pokemon master goal, as long as it didn't interfere with May's character development.
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    I don't think that Misty in Hoenn would work because Team Aqua and Magma wasn't in the anime to much anyway. Also Misty might get overshadow by Ash and May because of the Pokemon contest and Gym battle goal.

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    To p96822;
    If Misty stayed for Hoenn we would have entirely different ball game there though. We don't even know if May would join Ash in case Misty continued, and in case she would joined. There exists possibility of Brock or Max not being in AG cast to make room for two females in main group(since i sincerely doubt writers woukd go with 5 person group).

    Also its not just whole villain arc of Team Aqua, Magma plot with Kyogre tied into main plot as one of ways to progress Misty character in Hoenn.

    There were several water specialists and top class water trainers like Juan and Wallace over who she would be nervous and extatic over meeting teaching her how to become better trainer.

    Ton of new, diverse water pokemon and wide, more improved moveset she could use as type specialist. Like Gorebyss, Phinneon, Sealeo or even Milotic giving her Hoenn powerhouse in team.

    Break new grounds from Whirl Cup in Hoenn entering future events through which water master career could be progressed , do more with her pokemon team and learn how to overcome their flaws(like developing better defense to types like electric or grass type).
    Creation of Surskit coming from Hoenn was another reason going in Misty favor for potential growth being half bug, half water causing struggling and hesitation within character with her despise for crawly like bugs but big love and care for water pokemon resulting in conflict. Having to face it and learn to overcome making massive step forward as person and trainer toward becoming true water expert. Hell even whole 9th movie screamed water everywhere featuring water legendary pokemon Manaphy as mentioned before.

    Along with bringing new light to this show by having two girls in main cast for first time, assuming May would still join. I believe Misty and May together could had brought great dynamic in cast, and have chance to create closer bond as friends. Developing stronger relationship with May helping her to become better trainer reminding Misty herself of her younger days when she was naive and just starting out too.

    Resulting in girly talks, moments of annoyance, support etc. Hell knowing May bubbly nature i could totally see her talking Misty in trying contests herself. With dressing up and appeals making her angered, skeptic and embarassed due to being tomboy having trouble in synchronizing her pokemon to do proper appeal performance. Delivering lot of comedy and fun moments.

    Whenever i think of any future saga which would been beneficial for Misty storyline, dreams and plots i sincerely think Hoenn was one of them without any doubt.

    When we measure amount of gyms and contests May/Ash entered in Hoenn with Grand Festival and Evergrande league conference included, number reaches roughly 35 to 40 episodes in region which lasted for 131 episodes not counting Battle Frontier.

    Leaving us with 91 episode thus leaving more than enough episodes and screen time to have Misty develop, advance as character and play prominent role in Hoenn. So danger of Misty doing "jacksquat" is completely ungrounded, especially when from Master Quest and onwards Misty spotlight significantly increased receiving more battling, development and focus which would likely continued at same pace in case of continuing to next region.
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    I think that the principle problem with Misty's character was that her goal was too ill-defined. OK, so we knew that her goal was to become a great water pokemon trainer, but the way to achieve that was never really established. Ash wants to be a Pokemon Master and so challenges gyms and then the league, May and Dawn want to become Top Coordinators and so compete in contests and the Grand Festival. Cilan wanted to be an A Class Conniseur (sp?) and so studied pokemon.
    Even Brocks goal of being a breeder was defined in the form of Suzie and the other breeders, and he produced homemade pokemon food and help the groups medicines and stuff.
    For Misty, the "how" of her goal was never clear - does catching and raising many water types get her the title of Water Type Expert? Would winning the Whirl Cup do it? How about her becoming a Gym Leader?
    With Misty and Iris, we've had two type specialists in the cast, but how to become an expert in a type has never been explained to a satisfying degree.

    Personally I would have loved for Misty to have joined Ash and May in Hoenn instead of Brock, but her goal had been too vague for too long to suddenly redefine it so they dropped her for May.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprinter1988 View Post
    I think that the principle problem with Misty's character was that her goal was too ill-defined. OK, so we knew that her goal was to become a great water pokemon trainer, but the way to achieve that was never really established. Ash wants to be a Pokemon Master and so challenges gyms and then the league, May and Dawn want to become Top Coordinators and so compete in contests and the Grand Festival. Cilan wanted to be an A Class Conniseur (sp?) and so studied pokemon.
    Even Brocks goal of being a breeder was defined in the form of Suzie and the other breeders, and he produced homemade pokemon food and help the groups medicines and stuff.
    For Misty, the "how" of her goal was never clear - does catching and raising many water types get her the title of Water Type Expert? Would winning the Whirl Cup do it? How about her becoming a Gym Leader?
    With Misty and Iris, we've had two type specialists in the cast, but how to become an expert in a type has never been explained to a satisfying degree.

    Personally I would have loved for Misty to have joined Ash and May in Hoenn instead of Brock, but her goal had been too vague for too long to suddenly redefine it so they dropped her for May.

    Misty dream of becoming water master was left on large note vague and unexplained, but i still think from what was showed there were provided actual steps someone would need to accomplish to come close toward it as well connections to higher trainer class, opening ground for more substantial progression coming out of it. For once theory of "gym leader=type master" is completely false since Misty was gym leader before traveling with Ash. She unwillingly went back to gym and one type master term never showed to have any even slight connection to this occupation.

    Likewise through Whirl islands arc and E4 being labelled as one type masteres in games, but on some occasions in anime too(like Lance and Lorelei) being strongest mono trainers in world, only further proved how Misty career involved reaching much higher level of expertize and recognition than gym leaders are.


    Based on what was brought up in original series Misty always said she strives to become strongest water trainer in world(aka water master) being similar to Ash goal of pokemon master requiring traveling,meet strong trainers and learn about pokemon in wild along with advancing it through tournaments/competitions. In learning how to be true expert of water pokemon, know their ins and outs, learn how to connect on deep level functioning as one( sea priest Maya mentioned during Whirl Islands water heroes(in Japanese version referred as convoluted form of water master it meant people who knew how to understand hearts of water pokemon communicating with them and being like one)., As well involving to extract true potential of water pokemon on surface overcoming their flaws.

    Through course of original series judging by Misty talks about wanting to become strongest water trainer and idolizing Lorelei it can be with good certaintity make inference how her quest of becoming master involves reaching E4 level of power being best mono trainers in world. Whirl Cup further showed going by prof. Elm and sea priest Maya how there exists prestige water events you need to enter and obtain erving as steps which bring you closer toward title of water master( winner gets title Alpha Omega of water being one of tasks water masters from past achieved) and netting ticket to prove your worth, learn about more effective techniques and get recognized by other trainers worldwide.

    Episodes like "Around the Whirlpool", "Dueling Heroes" or "Perfect duel" touched this revealing how there exist specific tasks to conquer like coordinators do with contests.

    So how could have this been developed in more defined goal?

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    Interesting thing is how its still not late to make storyline out of it with Misty making big step forward in her dream of mastering water type thanks to existence of E4 Siebold(first pute water E4 trainer)in Kalos.

    Writers definitely started to define Misty water master goal more in Johto. Especially with Whirl islands. Introducing backstory around it, mysteries and tasks, which simply never got chance to be more cleared up and give on table struictured, organized storyline to show further progression. Since Misty was planned to end up replaced quickly afterwards.

    And reason behind this wasn't so much impracticality of Misty story and dreams. But more so drop in ratings during Johto with staff trying to mix things up by changing one main character, as well give new female fanservice to their audience.

    Move which caused mixed reactions and proved to be unpopular based on backlash which followed afterwards.

    But in case of staying thanks to so many water themes in Hoenn as well writers soiling ground with Whirl islands and connection between Misty career and E4 position there existed more than enough material to define this goal better and have character make notable steps forward in accomplishing it if you ask me.
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    So after watching BW, I thought many changes could of been made to the series.

    - BW1 - Not have Ash regressed to such a god awful, unforgivable amount.
    - BW1 - I would of removed Iris as the writers basically did nothing with her. I mean she had some of her moments with connections of Dragons, and until she gained her Dragonite and had little emotional development. Finally decided to become a dragon master tons of episodes later. I would replace her with Hilda/White with the same goal as Ash, also looking up to him.
    - BW1 - Would of made Team Plasma and N show up throughout season one like they did with Advance Generation, and have them defeated in S1 and not make Team Rocket the main focus, they had theirs in Kanto.
    - BW1 - Would of removed the following rivals, Stephan, Cameron, Georgia and Trip. BW had too many damn rivals, and rivals who were rivals of the other characters rivals. I would of just kept it nice and simple, would of kept the following; Virgil but make him appear way before the league building his character up, Bianca I find her to be quite funny and Burgundy for comic relief.
    - BW1 - Not make Jessie, James and Meowth serious, would of kept them as comic relief characters
    - BW1 - Have a filler episode before BW2 of a different Victini appearing as there always seems to be more than one of the same legendary in the anime for some reason.
    - BW2 - I would make Hugh often appear and make him appear as Ash's first rival that would also help him in defeating Neo Team Plasma, as Hugh had a big role in BW2 games with NTP
    - BW2 - Have Virgil make his first appearance
    - BW2 - Have Neo Team Plasma and the Shadow Triad appear throughout BW2 as I really didn't like it when they left it after the Unova League
    - BW2 - Have N travel time from time with Ash and the crew
    - BW2 - Have Ash, N and Detective Looker defeat Ghetsis and Black and/or White Kyurem, while Hugh, Hilda, Cilan, Jessie, James and Meowth defeat Neo Team Plasma and Colress.
    - BW3 - have Ash encounter all the Elite four rather than just one, and battle with all of them but only to lose but giving Ash some great advice on battling.
    - BW3 - Have Ash and Hilda collect the rest of their Badges and enter the Unova league.
    - BW3 - Have a few filler episodes of Ash and Hilda training against each other before the start of the Unova League
    - BW3 - Have Hilda first go against Bianca in top 16, but lose to Hugh in top 8, while Ash faces against Hugh in top 4 but loses to Virgil coming in Top 2 in the Unova league.
    - BW3 - Have some filler episodes before the start of the greatest season 4 which everyone will love! Yes you know it! Its the World Tournament!
    - BW4- Ash, Cilan and Hilda travels to Aspertia Gym where they battle Cheren, after their battle Cheren tells them about the World Tournament to take place.
    - BW4 - Filler Episode of Team Rocket trying to catch Pikachu again
    - BW4- Have all old characters appear such as Misty, Brock, May, Gary Oak, Dawn, Paul, Barry, Bianca, Hugh and enter the World Tournament
    - BW4 - Have the World Tournament last 26 ~ 35 episodes
    - BW4 - Have Ash win the whole thing but barely by a hair.
    - BW4 - Have another episode of Hilda figuring out what other region to try out, while Cilan decides to travel to Kanto region.
    - BW4 Finale - Have the last episodes with their goodbyes and have Ash go off to travel to the next region, the Kalos region (XY).

    There we go! Yeah made quite the change here~ Didn't really enjoy the BW sage very much so If I was in charge this is what I would of made BW to be.

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    Here is what I would do with Kalos that we have right now.
    First off have team rocket leave after BW and have Team Flare and some sort of Hunter J anime exclusive antagonist get some good focus instead and not shown in every episode just a good amount and have a few archs throughout the saga.
    Have Serena act like how she was before she entered the group all of the time. Also allow her to do more things such as her actually entering a Rhyhorn race, her being the one to challenge the battle chateau where she would have her first battle, try out pokemon styling with Furfrou, do pokevision, enter a baking competition that would require the trainer and pokemon to work in sync and battle Millie, have her be the one to battle the princess in the snorlax episode, try out a gym or sky battle, do the second pokevison, try out a pokemon contest and ending up as a pokemon idol which works sort of like the pokestar studios where trainers would compete in movie battles and have to show off them and their pokemon while providing a great show and actually win the battle. Their would be medals won after a competition that after winning a specific amount they would be able to enter a grand festival competition where their skills would be put to the test and do their best to win the title of supreme idol. Serena would be rivals with Millie, Shauna, Calem and Ellie. Her team at the end of the saga would be: Braxien/Delphox, Pancham, Swampert, Furfrou, Noibat, Florges.
    Next Clemont would have an active goal based on super training that would consist of him having to invent machines to help out his pokemon get stronger for competitions such as races, triathlons, battle competitions and inventing contests scattered across kalos in which a large competition would happen at the end of the saga. Because of the added focus added to Clemont and Serena I would have to get rid of Bonnie to make room. Clemont would be rivals with Trevor, an anime exclusive character, and later Emma.
    His team at the end would be: Chesnaught, Bunelby, Helioptile(who he would catch as a Heliosk), Manetric, Flaafy

    Ash would hog less screentime and would leave at the end of the saga having won the pokemon league and we are given a bit more information about what being a pokemon master really is and we get a nice send off with him seeing him get closer to his dream and even get some kind of flash cut to the future.
    He would be rivals with Sanpei, Tierno, another anime exclusive rival and later it would turn out that Alex competes in the pokemon league which we would be given slight hints about through out the saga. Ash would use a lot of his reserves and team members in the final league and would use strategies such as he used when he was competent in sinnoh which would give him a believable win.
    His final team would be Pikachu(who relearns volt tackle or learns wild charge), Greninja, Talonflame, Hawluencha, Phantump, Carbink

    Also this saga would last as long as DP did but have less filler and do it's best to develop it's characters as best as it could.
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