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    Ash & Dawn! Tag Battle!

    After the Suiren Contest, Ash, Dawn, Kotone & Kazunari decide they should have a battle. However, before they get started, Team Rocket appear and kidnap Pikachu & Piplup. Will Ash & Co. manage to rescue their friends and who will win the Tag battle?

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    Team Rocket were in rare form this week.
    Ash and Dawn beat Dawn and Kazunari.

    Really, the main thing about this ep I found exciting was Monferno's excessive Falcon PAWNching. James' rose was pretty kickass, though.
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    First half of the episode was about Team Rocket, I know it's a tag battle but did Team Rocket need to fill up that much space in the time.

    Oh well.

    I'm surprised Dawn's Cyndaquil stood up to Totodile/Croconaw, say what you will about Kotone and Kazunari but Cyndaquil is newly hatched (a couple of episodes). It took an aqua tail and a hydro pump.

    I'm a bit annoyed they played Cyndaquil as tough as Monferno or Monferno struggling equally with Cyndaquil.

    But oh well, nice to see Monferno after awhile (even though we saw it in the Gible episode).

    Monferno and Cyndaquil both beat Croconaw and Chikorita. Though, Cyndaquil's flame wheel was powered up by Monferno's flamethrower. But Monferno single handedly defeated Croconaw.

    An interesting tidbit, I believe unless I saw the scene wrong (about the person not the event), I believe Kazunari's father gave Brock a Poke gear. Again Brock did receive a Pokegear but I'm a little uncertain about who gave it to him. It was either Kazunari or his father.

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    I'll still say that the Superpowered-Flamethrower-into-Flame Wheel thing was a bit of an overkill on Ash & Dawn's part. It's a Chikorita. You two have Fire types. You really didn't need to explode on Kotone's Chikorita's face.

    And the PokéGear reminded me of that flashback thing. ... If Clair's in her new outfit, why isn't Morty wearing his sweater? Is he wearing his old shirt under his sweater, and simply didn't feel like wearin' it in the flashback?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LightingKimba View Post
    I'll still say that the Superpowered-Flamethrower-into-Flame Wheel thing was a bit of an overkill on Ash & Dawn's part. It's a Chikorita. You two have Fire types. You really didn't need to explode on Kotone's Chikorita's face.

    And the PokéGear reminded me of that flashback thing. ... If Clair's in her new outfit, why isn't Morty wearing his sweater? Is he wearing his old shirt under his sweater, and simply didn't feel like wearin' it in the flashback?
    well its a flashback, so its showing Morty in the past not how he is in the present
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    That Cyndaquil really is a bit of a savant in battle, huh? It's only a few weeks old!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosMage View Post
    That Cyndaquil really is a bit of a savant in battle, huh? It's only a few weeks old!
    A few weeks? More like just one week!

    Team Rocket's interference annoyed me however humorous it was at how confused Ash and co got when Team Rocket split the dirt tracks in two, because it was too long! However, it did give Monferno some extra very-needed air-time.

    The double battle was quite impressive. Kotone's Chikorita unleashed a powerful Solar Beam and used Light Screen/Reflect well this time around to make up for its first on-screen battle against Dawn's Piplup...where it lost miserably. Kazunari's Totodile was probably the strongest battler there and didn't give up whenever it took hits. However, you've gotta take into account that Totodile had a type advantage.

    Dawn's Cyndaquil worked great with Ash's Monferno and together created a strong offence which quickly destroyed the rivalling Pokemon, even after Totodile had evolved into Croconaw. But to be fair, we all knew that Dawn and Ash were probably going to win. It adds character development reflecting on their past double battles together where they lost quite bad, and now they can work together and Dawn might be able to win a Double Contest.

    Awwww...Kotone and Kazunari had to go back to Johto. I was just getting used to having them around...oh well...

    YAY!! Brock got given a PokeGear from Kazunari's father. I wonder what Brock will be able to do with it in the future but Ash and co will be able to keep in touch with their Johto friends.

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    I like TR's robot this time. Looks awesome. Especially the mini-Drapion robo.

    The animation for this ep looked top-notch. And colorful.

    Yaaay, Ash and Dawn wonnnn. But, Kotone and Kazunari left... AND, Brock got a PokéGear. Nice.

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    This goes to anyone who understand japanese, what was said during the flashback of Whitney and Morty, from what I got of it without understanding the language is Brock was telling Kotone of the next two gym leader. But did Ash say anything about having challenged them or something.

    I litterally skipped about half of the episode because the team rocket mini part was too long. Plus it got to a point when you just know it the same formula. Though I did find the decoy robot to be something different.

    I wished that the team rocket part was shorter, that way we could have seen, Marril, Giraffraig , and Gible in battle( under a trainers command). But I liked the battle none the less.
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    Didn't really care for the TR segment all that much and as for the battle portion.

    first of all, Light Screen is beginning to bug me, it's being treated like protect against special attacks, and works for an unkown amount of turns in battle, the battle with paul was bad enough but to see it happen again where special attacks do nothing while it's up is rediculious, it should still do some damage to the enemy, not totally negate it.

    Also, Dawn's Cyndaquil's not exactly looking to good either, i can understand the Razor Leaf not doing much, but it also took a Aqua Tail and a bloody hydro pump after Totodile evolved and was still able to fight? Looks like we've got the next Squirtle on our hands.

    Overall the battle could've been handled better, but I am satisfied that Monferno was able to pretty much decimate both Chikorita(death for you could not have been any sweeter.) and Croconaw(despite evolving and learning Hydro Pump) to make up for it's loss to Paul, but Dawn's Cyndaquil should've gone down, i'm sorry but a recently born pokemon can only do so much in it's first battle.

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    It was a pretty good battle. Although it is kinda silly that Chikorita was able to last so long against two fire types.

    Dawn's Cyndaquil seems pretty strong already for a Pokemon that just hatched like 2 episodes ago. Looks like another baby Pokemon that's already strong, the writers constantly repeat the past.

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    I wonder how Brock will use the PokeGear throughout the show? Perhaps for long distance communication? And Misty has one too, so perhaps a small cameo? And Nice to see Morty and Whitney in their old uniforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Merry_Snowrunt View Post
    I wonder how Brock will use the PokeGear throughout the show?
    I have a feeling he might not use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Merry_Snowrunt View Post
    I wonder how Brock will use the PokeGear throughout the show? Perhaps for long distance communication? And Misty has one too, so perhaps a small cameo? And Nice to see Morty and Whitney in their old uniforms.
    I didnt even know Misty had one, was this in a chronicles episode or did she have one in the main series and Im just drawing a blank.

    But anyways, personally the tag battle wasnt what I expected but overall pretty good. I still think they made Cyndaquil too powerful too fast but then again, I would be disappointed if Ash and Dawn lost. So I guess its alright, for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hol123 View Post
    I have a feeling he might not use it.
    Then why give it to him period? I think the phone call feature will be used heavily.


    This episode made the pokemon look strong, Particularly Cyndaquil


    Chikorita:
    Flamethrower - weakend but super effective
    Swift X2 - Weakend
    Mach punch - not very effective
    Flame wheel-flame thrower - super effective

    Totodile/Croconaw:
    Flamethrower - weakened
    Swift X2 - weakened
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    Mach punch

    Monferno:
    Water gun - super effective
    Hydro pump - super effective

    Cyndaquil:
    Razor leaf - Not very effective
    Aqua tail - super effective
    Hydro pump - super effective
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    Could you imagine how strong Cyndaquil will be once it evolves? That thing could probably become the next Charizard or something.
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    It was an interesting episode. Cyndaquil is strong for a newly hatched pokemon O_o. Yea uber it will be the next Charizard. I was afraid they would lose b/c totodile evolved. It's about time Monferno gets screen time even though it was shown in the gible episode. Thunderblade12 how is mach punch not very effective to Chikorita?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    the writers constantly repeat the past.
    Yeah, just like with the potential Dragon type Gible Ash may be getting >_>
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    It's not. I was thinking Chikorita part poison type like Bulbasaur but it's not. Eh..guess that's what I get for always choosing Cyndaquil and Totodile in the Johto games.

    I doubt Cyndaquil will remain the powerhouse it is. Power fluctuates so much in this anime. A pokemon can defeat a Dragonite in it's weakest stage and then lose to a Dunsparce after it's fully evolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thriller View Post
    Yeah, just like with the potential Dragon type Gible Ash may be getting >_>
    What I meant is Dawn's Cyndaquil is a baby that hatched 2 episodes ago, and its already a strong Pokemon.

    Very similar to May's Squirtle, although we never saw Squirtle hatch from an egg, we still knew it was a young Pokemon.

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    So I have just a few hours left before I turn 21, meaning that this is the last Pocket Monsters episode I ever plan on watching sober. In other words, if my episode reviews didn't make sense as they were, they're about to become a whole lot less intelligible. Likewise, I may as well absorb this episode's plot deeply and then over-analyze the fairness of the battle. Or perhaps not. A short paragraph should suffice.

    First off, welcome back Tamagawa! That was a truly frightening 85 or so episodes in the dark. I suppose having the battle fill up the entirety of the episode would be stretching it a lot, but the material with TR felt like a waste of time regardless. Beefing up baby Pokemon is nothing new for this series. It seems lifespan is a nonexistent factor in gauging a Pokemon's strength, but it's not really worth complaining about since it's happened many times before. All things considered, the battle was decent if you aren't overly analytical of type advantage and newborn Pokemon capabilities. And obviously Brock's new PokeGear is going to be used to inform viewers of where Brock is each episode, since the guy is easy to lose.
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    What kind of tag battle episode is this when the first half is dedicated to TR? *rolls eyes*

    Anyway, wow @ Tototdile evolving and uber Light Screen. Though I wish Crocronaw would at least defeat Cyndaquil to show that it's stronger rather than... yeah we know what happened.

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    It was a fun episode, TR took to long, but their new robot was nice.

    Kotone's Chikorita has lost two battles against Dawn, and both were quite bad defeats (not like she had a chance against two fire types), i think it would be fair to have Chikorita and Cyndaquil both knocked out, but oh well, it's been said a lot about the new born pokemon, so i'll stop. Personally i wanted to see Girafarig or even Marill in action, because she used Chikorita before, but i guess she relies on her too much o_O (with bad results).

    Good animation, and Johto flashbacks, and a pokegear to tell us they won't be ditched perhaps? the zeppelin was better than the usual good bye boat.
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    The tag battle was alright. I like that rotation shot when Monferno deck Croconaw right it's face w/ Mach Punch. Nice. Dawn's Cyndaquil did pretty good as well. Commercial Girl & Four Eyes should be ashamed of themselves for losing against a newborn PKMN. It's great that Brock receive a PokeGear. Now there won't be any accuses for the them to get lost in the woods or somewhere else anymore.

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    1) Loved reference to Whitney and Morty
    2) Sad to see Kotone and Kazunari leave
    3) Surprised the match wasn't decided on a match between Monferno and Croconaw but instead both Chikorita and Croconaw were defeated
    4) Nice to see Monferno return in battling after quite a while
    5) Brock getting a Pokegear kinds makes me think he won't leave at the end of this season, as they'd never have given him something like this if he was going to leave. It's not an absolute view, it's just an assumption if you want.

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