Originally Posted by Heavenly
If you didn't like what they did with the characters, that's fine, but your childhood was not "ruined". Stop.
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No. 1 Grovyle Fan
I've been wondering, is 95%* of the reason why people hate Adventure 02 because of the shippings in the epilogue scene?
* = completely made up statistic
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Beginning Trainer
Actually a lot of the things I liked about Digimon pretty much all came to an end when I watched the epilogue. I'm not the only one who thinks it was terrible either. I'm assuming your not stupid so I'm thinking that your taking "my childhood was ruined" for face value on purpose.
The first two seasons of Digimon had really great character development, one of the reasons why is because unlike all the other seasons they were the only continuity. Some people become really attached to these characters (we are on a pokemon fansite are we not, so we should know) and continue to follow them throughout their adventures. When the writers decide to take everything you know about the characters, throw it out the window and make an ending that makes even the voice actors cringe it's a sad day for a fan.
Sorry for using the wrong words.
Dark Passenger
I liked the ending. It was the only ending that had any real balls. It took guts and creativity to think that far ahead and come up with some (sometimes) outrageous things for the characters. But the show actually put thought into where the characters went. Not just "off into the sunset", but "on with their lives."
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Monsters."
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Avid Otaku
I personally don't mind 02's ending the problems I had with 02 were that I felt as if it had great ideas but were executed poorly and that the writing was all over the place.
Beginning Trainer
Tai, the action oriented leader becomes a diplomat.
Matt, the loner musician who never felt the need to stand out becomes an astronaut.
Sora, the tomboy of the season becomes a fasion designer.
Mimi, known for caring about her looks becomes a cook.
Training Anaylst
It's a part of it I'm sure, but it's probably more like 'the straw that broke the camel's back.'
Agreed.
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The "action-oriented leader" learned that charging headfirst into a problem isn't always - perhaps is rarely - the answer and endeavored to become a diplomat specializing in relations between the place where he learned that lesson (the Digital World) and the human world.
The "loner musician" who was always in favor of forging ahead and continuing to explore became an astronaut and the first man on Mars.
The "tomboy of the season" who learned that her mother cared for her and only wanted the best for her and subsequently learned that the discipline into which her mother wanted to go wasn't that bad at all.
Is there something that says a cooking host can't care about her looks? If anything, if Mimi's in a job where she's on television and in the media constantly, wouldn't that say she still has to put significant effort into her appearance?
The point of some of the future jobs for the kids was that they had shed some of the negative aspects of their younger personalities. Iori/Cody, for example, was vengeful and slow to forgive as a child; first Ken, even after he reformed, and later Oikawa. Seeing what both of those individuals went through under the influence of dark forces inspires him to be slower to judge, at the very least, and as a result, he specifically becomes a criminal defense lawyer as an adult.
Sora is another example - we're eventually meant to see that in no small part, the tomboyishness is a means of rebelling against her mother's seemingly draconic desire for her to be a fashion designer. Even by the end of Adventure, she's learned that her mother loves her and only wants her to be happy and perhaps not coincidentally, by 02, Sora doesn't seem to have a problem with being more feminine, even if slightly so.
Tai yet another example - rather than trying to take charge of the new Chosen Children (or even bypass them entirely, as Matt suggested), he realizes it's their time for a reason and devotes himself to helping them and covering for them when and where they need it. The younger Tai of Adventure no doubt would have agreed with the sentiment of continuing to try and do things their way.
Do we not all have negative aspects of our younger selves that we've grown out of? Do we not all have activities in which we participated as a child that simply eventually and innocuously fall by the wayside?
Beginning Trainer
Matt being an astronaut is actually something you could believe him doing? In the first season Matt gave up many times and Tai helped him through most of the times he didn't. We never saw his attitude change in 02, simply because of his lack of appearances. If I recall correctly, Matt was never one for standing out besides his band and even then it was because of his passion for music. To me, an astronaut job should have been used for someone who like to explore and have adventures, not for someone who was trying to act as the older brother to the group and really thought of things in a sensible matter. It might be cool, but it doesn’t fit.
Even if Sora was only being tomboyish to act against her mother, being a fashion designer was still an over-the-top career choice the writers gave. In the second season her mother began teaching her the art of flower arrangement, yes not very tomboy-like, but not anywhere close to fashion designing. Sora still played sports and wore a school uniform instead of girly clothes (like mimi).
I will agree with what you said about Tai, his love for Digimon gives me enough reason to make it believable. Maybe if the chose something else besides "diplomat" I would have been able to accept it easier. The career of a diplomat requires a lot of schooling and knowledge (digimon and real world). The only reason I added Mimi was to show the Irony between the career selections between her and Sora.
Don't get me wrong, I do like endings where the characters realize their negative aspects and grow through them but this ending just blew *most things* out of proportion. I don't see why you must comment with such a hatred towards me. I love having passionate debates and whatnot but I can sense a lot of distaste in your posts.
Last edited by Heavenly; 17th August 2012 at 12:00 AM.
Rikudou Master
It didn't "ruin my childhood", but I did dislike Tai/Sora not ending up together.
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Banned
Digimon will forever be THE Pokemon rip-off.
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Again, for someone who was so often in favor of continuing ahead and keeping on the move, I have no issue with it.
"Close" is relative - I don't see how her going from learning the art of flower arranging as a teenager to doing it as a profession as an adult is that big of a leap.
Except Sora switched from soccer to tennis, a sport in which females do wear distinctly different and more feminine outfits from males. Her school uniform in 02 was equally and appropriately feminine. Regarding the difference from how Mimi dressed in 02, as an American public school student rather than a Japanese one, Mimi wouldn't be wearing a school uniform at all, and even that is sort of irrelevant as all the times we saw Mimi in 02, she was nowhere near school.
Tai lived in the Digital World as a young boy for... however long the series said they did. What better way to get the knowledge you say he needed? And as for the schooling, again, are we saying that's something he couldn't have gone to school for specifically between when we left him as a teenager at the end of 02 and when we see him as an adult in the epilogue?
No idea what you're talking about.
Appropriate you phrase it like that, as this will forever be as wrong as can possibly be. Amazing that people even still say it.
Banned
I'm sorry that you are this delusional to not realize that realize that replacing every beginning of a word with "digi" (digimon, digidestined, digivolution etc.) and ending every monster name with "mon" does NOT make it original.
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iDOLM@STER Fanboy
Digimon started as a version of Tamagotchi targeted at males, not a Pokemon rip-off.
Banned
I'm sorry I'm stating the obvious with you, my mistake.Oh yeah, and looking at the show, you can tell it's also based off of Pokemon also. (Seriously, Digivolution? You can tell they are trying to hard to not be a rip-off) and even though it's technically a rip-off also of tamagatchi (also), it's still furthers my point that Digimon is a rip-off either way.
Last edited by CallMeMaggot; 17th August 2012 at 3:35 AM.
Training Anaylst
Obvious? All you are trying to do is pass off your misguided opinion as fact. You have not given us any argument to prove your 'case,' instead you've insult the series and its fans and then point and laugh when someone questions your argument.I'm sorry I'm stating the obvious with you, my mistake.
Last edited by Taodragon; 17th August 2012 at 3:48 AM.
Banned
Lol, Digimon fanbois everywhere, Digimon is a Pokemon rip-off to the layman's eye, no denying it. Digimon is also a shitty anime anyway. (Not saying Pokemon anime is good though.)
Last edited by CallMeMaggot; 17th August 2012 at 4:31 AM.
Banned
Grammar Nazi lol, I edited the "denieing" part, and I made fanboy, "fanboi" on purpose. I could go on a whole rant on how it is a rip-off, but I'm too tired. And derailing threads is your fault because you guys want to argue over one statement some guy said.
Avid Otaku
For one, Digimon is not a rip-off of Pokemon but rather a spin-off to Tamagotchi which other have already stated but I am stated it again anyways. Two, stop writing off your opinion as fact just a little word of the wise. Three, if you don't like it then why are you even in this thread if you are here to only bash it? Constructive criticism is fine with me but you never gave a reason why you dislike it and no saying Digimon being a Pokemon rip-off is not a reasonable complaint since its not especially considering that nothing is new under the sun. That is just my two cents.
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