Do you think John Cena would be around at the top as long as he is if he weren't the best? No, of course not. He's where he is because WWE realizes he's the best. Need to get someone - let's say Edge, RVD, or CM Punk - to that "next level"? Feud them with John Cena. Need to reintroduce The Rock and Brock Lesnar to the WWE? Feud them with John Cena before anyone else. He's the go-to answer for every problem WWE has because of how well he delivers.
What's wrong with pandering to kids? They're Cena's chief demographic and are the ones making him as popular as he is. Hogan pandered to kids. The Rock panders to nostalgic Attitude Era fans. CM Punk panders to the IWC. Does that make any of them bad? No, it makes them good because only a terrible wrestler would alienate their fanbase.I was talking more about the total package, not just the person who can pander to kids the most and sell the most crappy overpriced merchandise.
And selling merchandise is part of the "total package". In fact, making money and drawing fans to see you is the most important part of being a wrestler, because it's a sign of how entertaining you are (and professional wrestling is entertainment). What good is it for you to excel at anything else if no one wants to watch you do it? As far as the "total package", I've yet to see any area where Punk really tops Cena. Punk is good, but he's not better than Cena.
As long as his fans (the younger demographic) loves to see Cena doing what he does, then it'd be stupid for him not to do it. The last time a popular act changed his gimmick with no one asking for it (Steve Austin), the results were terrible. "If it ain't broke", and all.The same thing can be said for Cena, otherwise he is just riding off his stale "never give up" good guy garbage.
The difference between what Cena's best known for (pandering to kids) and what Punk's best known for ("Pipebomb!") is that what Cena does doesn't rely on shocking an audience, which means that his act lasts longer.
Again, Punk is very good on the mic and in the ring, and I'm not trying to say that all he does is lean on the fourth wall, but he's just not as good as Cena is.
I would argue this, but the quality of humor is way too subjective for me to get into. But Cena's jokes tend to amuse his audience. His act pisses some of us off, yes, but he's not interested in us, really.Punk to me is more convincing even without breaking the fourth wall, plus his jokes don't suck. It's rare to see Cena stay in kayfabe, and not have it look lame or tired and even more so to see him tell a joke that doesn't make him look like a D list version of the Rock.
I can't speak for you, but I do know that Cena's convinced more people in general to pay for him on pay-per-view (WrestleMania 28 & 27, One Night Stand 2006, Extreme Rules 2012, etc.) and tune in to see him on Raw than Punk has. The "lame jokes and predictable BS" work, and they've sold more than Punk's "pipebomb" shtick. Which would make him more convincing one by default.Again, I can't remember the last time I've been sold by him at all unless he is also seemingly breaking the fourth wall (like with his Rock and Punk feuds) in which case Punk does it better. Cena most of the time has to give us lame jokes and predictable BS (like his latest promo) to sell a storyline. Sure Punk doesn't have a ton to work with outside of his "Pipebomb" antics but like I said to me he is more convincing despite it.
Of course not. I loved the Rock vs. Punk feud, and was surprised with the chemistry the two of them had on the mic. They told a very enjoyable story in just the three weeks leading up to the Rumble. But that's part of what I'm saying here. Punk is only at his best when working with talent (Rock, Cena) who have a record of putting on excellent angles and selling shows successfully with a variety of different talent.So when Punk was going mic to mic with the Rock only several weeks ago you were more excited about Cena's terrible jokes and predictable Rumble aspirations?
That's exactly the reasoning. Punk's biggest feud was undisputedly with John Cena. And part of the reason for that was because of Cena. Meanwhile, if you had to ask what was Cena's biggest feud you'd have several different choices: The Rock, HHH, HBK, Batista, Edge, Lesnar, JBL, Punk, Umaga, RVD... the list goes on. And you could make a great case for most of them.Also I don't think it's fair to exclude Punk's feud with Cena and Rock when the former was his single biggest feud and the latter he is still going at it with.
That's how good Cena is, and how far ahead of Punk he is.
As far as the second point, I said those feuds were forgettable because, honestly, there's been absolutely very little talk of any of them after they ended. When I hear people talk about the highlights of Punk's career, I usually hear about his ECW title run, cashing in Money in the Bank on Edge, feud with Jeff Hardy, the feud with John Cena. You never really hear about much of SES aside from the gimmick itself. None of those feuds really ended up accomplishing much for Punk.