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[Treeconator11]

^Completly agreed. I believe that I read somewhere that Vince has a preference for big guys, and when they lost the Cruiserweight title, it kinda let a lot of smaller guys sorta fall through the cracks.

One thing that really ticks me off is how Matt works hard, and loves his job, and IIRC, he even wrestled through an intestine tear for a few months, and hasn't won even one world title yet (Unless you count the ECW title as a world, I consider as more like a third IC title), while Jeff didn't care enough, eventually taking time off WWE (And moving to TNA no less.), yet was handed three world title reigns in less than a year before he retired. (Granted, they didn't last long, but he still had three reigns.)

One Hardy loves the buisness too much, and the other too little. The irony of it is just unsettling.

[Night_Walker]

One thing that really ticks me off is how Matt works hard, and loves his job, and IIRC, he even wrestled through an intestine tear for a few months, and hasn't won even one world title yet (Unless you count the ECW title as a world, I consider as more like a third IC title), while Jeff didn't care enough, eventually taking time off WWE (And moving to TNA no less.), yet was handed three world title reigns in less than a year before he retired. (Granted, they didn't last long, but he still had three reigns.)

One Hardy loves the buisness too much, and the other too little. The irony of it is just unsettling.

Yeah Matt's commitment seems a lot greater then Jeff's and it hasn't been rewarded. Although it's hard to know if he isn't where he should be cause Vince likes bigger guys or if it's related to that whole incident with Lita cheating on him, for real, with Edge that led to him being fired, rehired and then spending months as a midcard jobber.

He's certainly got the potential to be a world champion again - I do count the late ECW World Heavyweight Championship as a world title - doesn't always show all of his potential but when he does he's right up there with the likes of Edge.

My Mania card edited in accordance with the RAW results, unconfirmed matches and superstars in matches are displayed in white. Once we know the card I'll put down my predictions.

"The Phenom" the Undertaker vs "The HeartBreak Kid" Shawn Michaels.
Undertaker's Streak vs HBK's Career.

"The Rated-R Superstar" Edge vs "Y2J" Chris Jericho (c)
World Heavyweight Championship Match.

"The Animal" Batista (c) vs John Cena.
WWE Championship Match.

"The Biggest Little Man" Rey Mysterio vs "The Straight Edge Saviour" CM Punk, with the Straight Edged Society.

"The Legend Killer" Randy Orton and "Legacy" match.
Starting to think maybe a Handicap match between Legacy and Orton will take place.

"Mr McMahon" vs "The best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be" Bret "The Hitman" Hart.
I knew it!
I'd back Bret to get the win, but the only thing I'm really sure about right now is that the match will end with a Sharpshooter.

Michelle McCool (c) vs Mickie James OR Maryse (c) vs Gail Kim OR MizShow vs The Hart Dynasty/Cryme Tyme.
Women's or Divas or Tag Team Championship.
Dunno for sure which but I'd sorta expect one of these to be on the card. Although have to say the tag division really is dead...

Money In The Bank VI - "The Gold Standard" Shelton Benjamin vs Dolph Ziggler vs "The Big Red Monster" Kane vs "The Instant Classic" Christian vs "The All-American American" Jack Swagger vs Montel Vontavious Porter "MVP" vs Sheamus/Evan Bourne/Kofi Kingston/The Miz/Ted DiBaise vs Matt Hardy/John Morrison/R-Truth/Finlay/Drew McIntyre.
I didn't list MVP in my possibles cause I wasn't sure if the Tag Titles would be defended at Mania or not.
Also the fact I only listed stars from RAW against RAW stars and the same with Smackdown stars is in line with my feeling that since there are already 3 men from each brand in the match each brand will get to enter one more superstar each.

[rocky505]

Why would DiBaise be in the MITB when he is already in a match with Orton.

[Night_Walker]

Why would DiBaise be in the MITB when he is already in a match with Orton.

Oh, whoops, my mistake. That match isn't confirmed I just forgot to put it in white. My Bad.

DiBaise is someone I see as a possible wrestler in the MITB, but at the same time I could see him having a match with Orton.

[Bank$]

This lost its' way years and years ago.

[firestar319]

Money In The Bank VI - "The Gold Standard" Shelton Benjamin vs Dolph Ziggler vs "The Big Red Monster" Kane vs "The Instant Classic" Christian vs "The All-American American" Jack Swagger vs Montel Vontavious Porter "MVP" vs Sheamus/Evan Bourne/Kofi Kingston/The Miz/Ted DiBaise vs Matt Hardy/John Morrison/R-Truth/Finlay/Drew McIntyre.

I doubt the Miz might be in this MitB match. After RAW last night, he and Big Show were still Tag Team Champions, so they might defend those titles at WM. I've ruled Sheamus out as well, because he's most likely going to have a match against Triple H because of his attack on him at the end of RAW last night.

[Wilkimania]

I still stand by Brett's match will either change in to a tag match or it won't last long. A guy who suffered a stroke will not be able to put on a match.

[Camcam]

I don't think that Jeff Hardy is less committed. He keeps having problems, he loves the buisiness and gives just as much as Matt when he's active. Everyone should know by now that once you make one mistake and get in trouble it is hard to stay out of it. Jeff Hardy fought through that and still remained probably the most popular wrestler in histrory he definately deserves the three world title reigns he had no matter how short.
As for Wrestlemania, CM Punk and Rey Mysterio probably will have a match and it is likely to be hair vs. mask
Randy Orton will probably face Legacy, but in a Triple Threat not a handicap and the fathers of all three will probably be there in their corners.
And look for Vince's signature match to pop up. Street Fight.
I'm guessing that Kofi Kingston will get in the MITB and hopefully the last spot will go to Matt Hardy.

[Jb]

I don't think that Jeff Hardy is less committed. He keeps having problems, he loves the buisiness and gives just as much as Matt when he's active. Everyone should know by now that once you make one mistake and get in trouble it is hard to stay out of it. Jeff Hardy fought through that and still remained probably the most popular wrestler in histrory he definately deserves the three world title reigns he had no matter how short.

Not really, if he was as committed as Matt he wouldn't had did the drugs in first place, also Matt did just about everything Jeff had done and more, he is more experence and has more in ring skill all Jeff does is Backflips off tall ladders. Yes it takes skill but not as much as Mat based moves.

Also he nowhere near one of the most popular wrestler of all time.

and hopefully last spot will go to Matt Hardy.

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[Jb]

I don't think that Jeff Hardy is less committed. He keeps having problems, he loves the buisiness and gives just as much as Matt when he's active. Everyone should know by now that once you make one mistake and get in trouble it is hard to stay out of it. Jeff Hardy fought through that and still remained probably the most popular wrestler in histrory he definately deserves the three world title reigns he had no matter how short.

Not really, if he was as committed as Matt he wouldn't had did the drugs in first place, also Matt did just about everything Jeff had done and more, he is more experence and has more in ring skill all Jeff does is Backflips off tall ladders. Yes it takes skill but not as much as Mat based moves.

Also he nowhere near one of the most popular wrestler of all time.

and hopefully last spot will go to Matt Hardy.

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[Camcam]

It strikes me as odd that you say Jeff is not committed. People don't just come back from being supsended for drug use and having their house burned down and their dog dying in the fire. He went through so much in 2008 and he came back and kept positive and showing us and WWE that life had not broken him. He earned those world titles and all the fans he has made over the years. People getting involved in drugs doesn't mean that they aren't committed to their career. You hear about how people do drugs and drink all the time. Jeff Hardy just made the mistake of getting caught. As far as his flips and jumps off ladders go, Jeff Hardy has said that all he wants to do make memories that people will have forever and he has done just that.

[Night_Walker]

I doubt the Miz might be in this MitB match. After RAW last night, he and Big Show were still Tag Team Champions, so they might defend those titles at WM. I've ruled Sheamus out as well, because he's most likely going to have a match against Triple H because of his attack on him at the end of RAW last night.

Again I listed Miz as a possibility because we don't know if he and Show will be defending the belts at Mania.
Not every belt is defended at Mania, the IC and US titles for example have rarely been defended at Mania over the last few years.

I think the same goes for ruling Sheamus out of the MitB just because he attacked Trips on this week's RAW. It could be that the feud starts now, Trips costs Sheamus the MitB match and they continue on from there.
It's too early to tell.

I still stand by Brett's match will either change in to a tag match or it won't last long. A guy who suffered a stroke will not be able to put on a match.

Well let's face it, Bret is fighting Vince.
That's not really a wrestling match in the traditional sense, Vince has only rarely stepped into the ring and he's getting on too.

As far as lingering effects that the stroke may have had on Bret, only Bret and the Doctors really know how much lasting damage has been done (since everyone reacts to a stroke, even individual strokes, differently). Personally though I doubt even this match would have been agreed to, much less allowed, if they felt Bret wasn't up to it.
It won't be a long match that's for sure, matches like this rarely are.

I can't see it turning into a tag match because the logical, within storyline, people for Vince and Bret to tag with are already booked in a main-event match against each other.
Sure sometimes you'll see guys do double duty but with them already booked for a WWE title match on "the grandest stage of them all" Batista and Cena won't.

As for Wrestlemania, CM Punk and Rey Mysterio probably will have a match and it is likely to be hair vs. mask
Randy Orton will probably face Legacy, but in a Triple Threat not a handicap and the fathers of all three will probably be there in their corners.
And look for Vince's signature match to pop up. Street Fight.
I'm guessing that Kofi Kingston will get in the MITB and hopefully the last spot will go to Matt Hardy.

If we get the match between them then I think it'll be a standard one-fall match without any extra stipulations. I could see a Hair vs Mask match between them, but a little way down the road.

Can't see why we'd get a Triple Threat match. To me it doesn't fit with the story that's being told - Rhodes and DiBaise are working together against Orton. And unlike Smackdown vs RAW 2010 there isn't a title involved (once there is that'll be when they turn on each other).

Hhmm, could be. Although I think they'd want to take it carefully with Bret.

They'd do nicely as the last two, guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Jb]

It strikes me as odd that you say Jeff is not committed. People don't just come back from being supsended for drug use and having their house burned down and their dog dying in the fire. He went through so much in 2008 and he came back and kept positive and showing us and WWE that life had not broken him. He earned those world titles and all the fans he has made over the years. People getting involved in drugs doesn't mean that they aren't committed to their career. You hear about how people do drugs and drink all the time. Jeff Hardy just made the mistake of getting caught. As far as his flips and jumps off ladders go, Jeff Hardy has said that all he wants to do make memories that people will have forever and he has done just that.

Im not saying hes not commited, im just saying he's not as good as Matt,I know his house burned down but thats not a reason to give him a World Title, don't get me wrong he has skill, its just he hasn't really done anything that matt couldn't already do.

[DragonDance]

Not really, if he was as committed as Matt he wouldn't had did the drugs in first place, also Matt did just about everything Jeff had done and more, he is more experence and has more in ring skill all Jeff does is Backflips off tall ladders. Yes it takes skill but not as much as Mat based moves.

Also he nowhere near one of the most popular wrestler of all time.





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Jeff's mat skills improved drastically when he was getting his main-event push.

[Jb]

Jeff's mat skills improved drastically when he was getting his main-event push.

No, not really besides doing swantons off of higher objects he really didn't change, he was just overhyped

[Night_Walker]

No, not really besides doing swantons off of higher objects he really didn't change, he was just overhyped

Sorry, have to disagree with you there. Jeff did improve around the time of his big push, especially when he was feuding with Trips and Edge, his mic work got better and he did look a bit better in terms of mat wrestling.

I think the fact remains Matt is the better mat based wrestler, whether or not that's because his injuries forced him to change his style (especially since despite his injuries Jeff has maintained that "high risk, high reward" style) we don't really know.
Realistically each of the Hardys has had problems, Jeff has had more that are of his own making, but I think neither is where they could be had things gone well for each of them.

Moving on.
Since some people have an issue with spoilers I've put Mania affecting things from the taping of this week's Smackdown in a spoiler bracket:

    Spoiler:- Smackdown Spoilers:

Show Spoiler

 
Matt Hardy qualifies for MitB VI by hanging the second ever defeat on Drew McIntyre (who promptly goes nuts again).

John Morrison and R-Truth defeat Cryme Tyme and the Hart Dynasty for the right to face MizShow for the Unified Tag Team Titles at Wrestlemania...

Personally I'm peeved by that since two of the best candidates for MitB (Morrison and Truth) are now unable to even qualify.
 

[Camcam]

I never said that I knew for a fact that Mysterio and Punk would have a mask vs. hair match. I was just sharing what I had read from a very reliable wrestling news site. I know its reliable because I've been using it for a long time now and it hasn't lied to me yet. I know that the triple threat between Orton,Dibiase,and Rhodes with the fathers is almost exactly like the video game, but that is what they are talking about doing. Although they only have a few weeks left until Wrestlemania and that is kind of a lot to build up to in that short amount of time.
As for MITB, I am half right right so far, because Last night at the SD taping Matt Hardy qualified for the match. The only prediction left for me to get right for that match is Kofi Kingston, and that site I mentioned said a few months ago that the WWE higher ups had put him as their favorite for the match. Although, that was said a few weeks ago with the ending saying plans can and likely will change.

[Wilkimania]

CamCam out of intrest what reliable site do you use? As I've seen it mentioned on a few, and the one I use myself is fairly trustworthy. I'm still not too sure what WWE were thinking of releasing Maria right now, as when her release clause ends and she's able to sign for a new company, a certain celebrity show ends. TNA could end up laughing if she wins it.
I honestly think I will straight up mark out if Matt Hardy won the money in the Bank and then cashed it in to win it. Sadly I think this is Christians or Kofi's year(Again I realise that he's not in yet). One shock winner would be Shelton

[Camcam]

The site I use is wrestlinginc.com. I've been using it for a while now and I am very pleased with it. Beware though, the stories they put up are true but underneath it there is an advertisement for other sites. Those stories are 99% of the time not true. The site's stories are pretty much dead on.

[firestar319]

I use that site too, and you're right. The stories they put up on that site are usually right.