The Official WWE Thread, Brother!

[Camcam]

That's a very good site if you're not always able to watch the shows that are taped in advance like SD and sometimes TNA. Although TNA is about to go live every other week and I've wanted SD to go live for a long time now although I understand why they don't.

[Wilkimania]

Fair enough, I use LOP (lordsofpain) myself and they themselves seem to get most stories correct too. I do also enjoy reading the column on the main page and the forum is filled with the general smarks that you expect to see on any wrestling forum.

[Camcam]

From what I've seen a lot of the wrestling news sites that are correct always have the exact same headlines on their home page. I just use wrestlinginc because my computer sucks and that loads the fastest without shutting my computer down, and they have forums which is common although I haven't joined it, and they have polls about what is going on now. For example, right now the poll is about what we think of the buildup for McMahon vs. Hart at Wrestlemania. I voted for Average, because Bret Hart returning is something big, and Hart hasn't even been there to get some hype going. Its only commentators talking about him and the occasional Vince mentioning him.

[Wilkimania]

Well yeah I imagine the sites look round each other's pages and pick up certain news stories which they then run them themselves. Also, they'll all have their own sources as well meaning that in the end the majority of stories end up on the majority of sites. With the brett/Vince thing I wouldn't rate it as high as average. I expected a lot higher from the E with it being Brett Hart returning, not just any returning legend.

[Camcam]

Well I voted average, because though it hasn't been great it definately wasn't poor. There was no in between, sure its not as big as we would have hoped, but there was a pretty big buildup for him showing up as guest host(BTW I hate the guest host concept and I'm glad it may be coming to an end)and returning to confront Vince. They just messed the story up a lot when they took Bret off TV for a while with a broken leg. I haven't heard anything about whether or not that is really an angle, but I gotta wonder who is that bad of a driver, female or not.

[Jb]

Anybody know when smackdown is taped.

[rocky505]

Anybody know when smackdown is taped.

Um I believe it is done on Tuesdays.

[Night_Walker]

I use PWMania for when I want wrestling info.

CamCam,
I never said you were wrong, about any of your predictions, simply that I disagreed with you and I then went on to outline the reasons why I thought that. Okay?

I'm intrigued to know what the source is for this claim of a Triple Thread between Orton and Legacy with all the fathers present is. There's still 3 weeks for Mania so I could well be wrong about if this will take place. Just seems to me like maybe someone saw it was the case in the video game and figured that's what they're doing. I could well be wrong.
But things would have to change within the storyline for the match to take place cause right now it's Legacy united against Orton, with no reason to stab each other in the back.

I'm betting we're gonna get some sort of last chance match on RAW for that last spot, I'd expect it'll be Kofi who gets in but since we don't even know what form the last qualifying match will take and who'll be in it we're just guessing at the moment.
I would LOVE for Benjamin to finally pull down the briefcase, he's been a big part of the success of these matches. And cause he's one of the best in the WWE not only at spots but is a good mat wrestler he'd be a perfect choice for a future top tier champion.

[Camcam]

I myself don't really like the idea of them doing a triple threat match with all 3 fathers present although it would be great to see all of them at wrestlemania. I think that is just a little too similar to Orton's RTWM in the video game and that would just give more stupid people another argument to bring up in the whole fake vs. not as fake as you think argument.
MITB: My prediction for Kofi to get the last spot in the match is based around what I read on the news site and my being a fan of his. He has done nothing but entertain and put on good matches since his debut and this may be his year to step up. There was only one qualifying match that Matt Hardy won at the SD taping and SD has 4 entrants to RAW's 3 so that sets up for 1 more and Kofi has not yet been given a match at Mania and he is one of the more popular stars in the WWE right now so he will definately be a part of it in some way.
Yes SD is taped on Tuesdays right after NXT. They change the ropes to the blue and begin the show.

[Jb]

I hope Matt wins, ladder matches IS his type of match.

[Night_Walker]

I myself don't really like the idea of them doing a triple threat match with all 3 fathers present although it would be great to see all of them at wrestlemania. I think that is just a little too similar to Orton's RTWM in the video game and that would just give more stupid people another argument to bring up in the whole fake vs. not as fake as you think argument.
MITB: My prediction for Kofi to get the last spot in the match is based around what I read on the news site and my being a fan of his. He has done nothing but entertain and put on good matches since his debut and this may be his year to step up. There was only one qualifying match that Matt Hardy won at the SD taping and SD has 4 entrants to RAW's 3 so that sets up for 1 more and Kofi has not yet been given a match at Mania and he is one of the more popular stars in the WWE right now so he will definately be a part of it in some way.

It would be good to see the American Dream, Cowboy and Million Dollar Man at Mania but I do hope they go with the Legacy against Orton angle. I think it has more potential if they work a feud with the Legend Killer for a while, they're both talented (although I think DiBaise is by the far the better of the two) and working with Orton has helped them a lot. Now it's time for them to move on.

Again, yeah if I were a betting man Kingston would be my pick to take that final spot. He's certainly got the high flying ability for it, has received a reasonable push to near the top of the midcard, and is very over with the crowd.
That said until he's qualified we don't know for sure.

Also there's one thing I can see against Kingston and Bourne for that matter, there are 4-5 faces in this match already (depending on how you classify Kane, face or tween) against only 2 heels. There are usually more faces in the match then heels but it does seem a little light on for heels - although aside from Sheamus there isn't really a RAW heel left I can think of who could get into the match (since Chavo hasn't been treated seriously in years), and thinking about it I suppose it's very likely Sheamus will face Trips at Mania (after all would be hard for the WWE to leave Trips off the Mania card).

I hope Matt wins, ladder matches IS his type of match.

Hardys excel at Ladder Matches no doubt
Matt or Shelton would be my preferred guys to win it, Shelton has provided major highlights in all the MITB matches he's been in - kinda sad in a way a lot of people think of him as a spot monkey when he's a very sound mat wrestler too.

[rocky505]

If Kingston is put in the MITB he'll win. But if not Christian will win it.

[Night_Walker]

If Kingston is put in the MITB he'll win. But if not Christian will win it.

I don't necessarily agree with you but I'm curious about why you think Kingston is the most likely winner of the MITB if he's entered, and likewise why you think that if Kingston isn't in the match it'll be Christian.

[Ivysaurus]

I used to be all about the games, but was never into the show knowing it was fake.

[rocky505]

It's been said all over the internet that Kingston will win.

[Night_Walker]

It's been said all over the internet that Kingston will win.

...Er that it?

I mean if it was said all over the net Benjamin was gonna win I'd still be doubtful, cause it's the WWE who decides the winner not the online commentators.

[rocky505]

Benjaman is nothing anymore If he would have had a heavyweight title shot he would have got it back in the day when he was beating Triple H. Yeah and WWE spoils sometimes you can tell it may be Kofi as the last man in the MITB and you can tell he'll win. Kofi and Christian deserve it more than Shelton.

[Night_Walker]

Benjaman is nothing anymore If he would have had a heavyweight title shot he would have got it back in the day when he was beating Triple H. Yeah and WWE spoils sometimes you can tell it may be Kofi as the last man in the MITB and you can tell he'll win. Kofi and Christian deserve it more than Shelton.

Personally I think Benjamin is better then he's ever been because he's learnt his lessons from being in the doghouse several times at the same time as now knowing his game. Guys can go years being hot without ever getting a title shot, cause they need to mature (both mentally and physically) and I'd say he's never got that shot since he's been in the doghouse a few times.

I really don't see why Kofi, or whoever the last person will be (since we don't know who that is yet), should be the favourite over the others simply cause they got in last.
Not sure I can recall the WWE spoiling the ID of the MitB winner before.

Christian is definitely good and does deserve to be in the main-event. Kingston I'm still undecided on, since he's only been around for about 2.5 years - he looks like he has the potential but I think they need to wait a little longer before letting him go to the 'big dance' so to speak.
As with Christian you know what you're getting with Benjamin, both good and bad. The guy is still cat-quick, one of the most athletic men in the company, and a solid mat wrestler with it.

[Camcam]

I don't see how you can say that Kofi needs to wait longer before being in the main events because he's only been in WWE for under 3 years. Sheamus wasn't even there for a year and he became WWE champion. Kofi has proved himself that he can give us good main event level matches. He proved that with his very good rivalry with Orton. Also, the crowd loves him, and WWE likes when the crowd loves you. Kofi is at least deserving of a chance to prove to us that he can be world champion. Not to take away from Christian. Anyone who watched TNA while Christian was world champion over there knows that he can be a good face champion and heel champion.
I definately think Shelton is way overdue for a push into the main event. There is no doubt that he is the best pure athlete right now in WWE and he is a big part of the success of MITB.

[Night_Walker]

I don't see how you can say that Kofi needs to wait longer before being in the main events because he's only been in WWE for under 3 years.

I think Kofi needs more time to smooth out his offence and cut more promos. He still seems a bit raw to me, mainly cause he hasn't had a consistent program (ie feud, feud, feud, rest, feud) all the way through his time in the company.

Sheamus wasn't even there for a year and he became WWE champion. Kofi has proved himself that he can give us good main event level matches. He proved that with his very good rivalry with Orton. Also, the crowd loves him, and WWE likes when the crowd loves you. Kofi is at least deserving of a chance to prove to us that he can be world champion.

Sheamus seemed like the real surprise out of the top draw spinner that grips and turns a mile (or to use the baseball metaphor - a curve ball) as choice for Champion. You don't always pick someone like that to be champion, he is solid enough in terms of a big brawler who can wrestle a bit but he's benefited as much from Vince's obsession with big guys as anything else.

I think it's better to have a slow rise, over which time a wrestler can refine their techniques regardless of their talent and how over they are. You push them too fast and can find yourself with someone the crowd loves but who isn't ready for the 'big dance' - look at Orton's first title run.
There's no doubt he was talented, knew some of the craft and was massively over but (even though the booking wasn't as good as it could have been) he simply wasn't ready for it mentally. It took years for him to calm down and grow (wrestling wise and physically) into a professional who was ready to be a respected world champion and a cornerstone of the company.

When you've got guys like Kingston, Orton, Jack Swagger, Shelton Benjamin, Drew McIntrye, etc I think it's better to let them develop at a more natural pace not to push them too hard or too fast or they may crash and burn and never recover.

Now, with all that said I like Kingston. I think he's going to be huge, I just think he needs a little more time and a decent, even (my complaint with his feud with Orton is that Kofi always got the better of Orton in a fair fight, he and Orton never took each other to the limit of what they could both do - its in those feuds where wrestlers learn), feud with someone who is established to help compete his maturation as much as you can do before giving him that push and hoping he'll succeed.

Not to take away from Christian. Anyone who watched TNA while Christian was world champion over there knows that he can be a good face champion and heel champion.
I definately think Shelton is way overdue for a push into the main event. There is no doubt that he is the best pure athlete right now in WWE and he is a big part of the success of MITB.

Christian does indeed have everything you need to be a top-tier champion, anyone who doubts his potential to be World Heavyweight Champion or WWE Champion either hasn't seen his talent (either as displayed since his WWE return or while he was in TNA) or just doesn't like him.

Shelton was one of those rare near-complete packages - physically gifted, incredible leaping and high-flying abilities (to the extent he can still do things almost no-one else can) yet possessing extremely technically sound mat wrestling abilities. The only thing he lacked for a long time was good promo cutting skills, and the right attitude. Now he seems to have overcome those things.
I think he's ready if they give him the chance.