The Bleach Club...2.

[VizardBlue]

Well, I finally thought of a fullbring that I LOVE. Comments/suggestions are welcome!

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Fullbring Name: Moods of Battle

Fullbring Item: A blue sad face, (as in, circles with a face in them) on one hand, and a yellow happy face on the other.

Fullbring Activation Description: Two chains come out of either hand, and a rip opens up in the sky and earth, the happy face chain goes into the sky, the sad face goes into the earth, and they start reeling in as two beings are pulled out. A being made of pure red water comes out of the sky, extremely lithe and fast, and a constantly cracking being made of blue electricity comes out of the earth, large and sluggish. The tears close. Both are connected to my hands through the chains.

Fullbring ability: I gain the ability to take control of these two, the closer you get to the being of water, the more sluggish and depressed your thoughts and movements are, and it has the ability to move extremely fast, and it can malform it's hands into a high pressure lances or blades.

The lightning being is very large, slow, and the closer you get to him, the more irrational and hyperactive your movements and thoughts become, and your body might twitch or make random jabs or movements. It has the ability to slam down and crack or raise the earth, but no control other then that. Other then that, it's punches hit hard.
 

@EDITEDIT: Assuming you have to look at the top of the page before you scroll down, you'll be able to see this. Cmon, guys. Can we please stop wasting a entire page arguing over the ramifications and finer points of teh (EFF)ing definitions of pride and arrogance, etc? Is it really that important? Well i mean maybe in a pyschology or linguistics cla-...oh wait.

[Da14u.C]

Woah. That's a nice one. I like it. Mainly because I always win over poison zanpakto And 2 shikai, cool.

Though, you're going to make MC's someone's day EVERY TIME you go bankai. >.> And your zanpakto reminds me of quite a lot of GGX character. Millia, Dizzy, Testament.. Hmm.

Hehe, thank you! I figured I might as well go for the term sexy in a literal manner
you always win over poison? oh, we will see about that >

i had to google GGX but i dont think there is an animé based on it, its just a video game, so i couldn't watch to see

Tch. Do as you like, you'll only make yourself look like more of an idiot.



Hate to say it hunny, but ... I think I preferred your previous Zan, atleast Chi Rinpa could be seen as cute
This one just offers fan service ... XD I just yell "id hit that!"

for starters, i resent that. i have never made myself look like an idiot :| stop being a h8r :P

LMAO i just could not stop laughing at that "fan service"hahahahahahah. however, rangiku is total fan service and she kicks *** :P

Does anyone else think its a bit too easy for Dac to...kill anyone now?

meh, the one thing all my zan's have had in common is they have all been poison type, hence, it has always been super easy for me to kill people



p.s. i scanned everyone else's zanpaktou, and none of ya'll can laY a finger on me

I > all of you

[Eon Master]

^ *rolleyes*

i have never made myself look like an idiot :| stop being a h8r :P

I lol'd so hard. You have no idea how often you make yourself look like an idiot. For starters, saying that none of us can lay a finger on you. Um, hello? Arc's Zanpaktou is a healing water type. Poisons do nothing to him, no matter how potent. And we all know Kida could kick your ass any day of the week, poison or no poison.

Second, you > us? Arrogance. First lesson any Martial Artist learns is that you are never the best. In fact, the very concept of being the best is an illusion. There is always going to be someone who is better than you no matter what you're doing. And even if you do somehow become the best at one thing, it only means that you're the worst at something else. Think about that before talking about being better than everyone.

...also, for someone who loves poisons so much, you seem to be loath to understand the concept that even your own self-assured nature can be toxic if you let it get out of hand. As your signature says, all things are poisons, but it is the dose that makes it toxic.

Ok, semi-philosophical rant over.

The concept behing your Zanpaktou is fine, but the Bankai just made me collapse into a massive laughing fit at the imagined expression on your opponent's face. You don't even need to do anything against most male combatants xD


Fanfic chapter up sometime this weekend, hopefully. I actually have less to do than usual.

[Da14u.C]

wow, quite a rant.

^ *rolleyes*



I lol'd so hard. You have no idea how often you make yourself look like an idiot. For starters, saying that none of us can lay a finger on you. Um, hello? Arc's Zanpaktou is a healing water type. Poisons do nothing to him, no matter how potent. And we all know Kida could kick your ass any day of the week, poison or no poison.

I never said poison would be effective against Arc, however, if one depends entirely on the special abilities of their zanpaktou, they aren't strong warriors and would lose in any battle anyway. For example, very early on in bleach, when kira and rangiku fight, Kira loses because he depends heavily on his zanpaktou's ability to make things heavier, however, rangiku's zanpaktou turns to dust s she doesnt have to carry it around. hence he lost. When Mayuri fights the old bount dude, he paralyses the dude, but because of his bount, he is still able to move, but mayuri doenst lose because he doesn't depend on the toxic ability of his zanpaktou, he just has that as an added benefit.
poison is different from other special abilities in the sense that a poison user can never just rely on the poison, but on their skill. a poisoned sword is still a normal sword with an edge. if you stab someone, they will die from the stab wound, regardless of whether it is poisoned or not. it is not like fire where if someone conjures fire, someone else conjures water to douse it. If i stab you, even if my poison has no effect on you, you will still die from the stab wound. hence, it matters not whether or not Arc is resistant to all forms of poison.

as for kida kicking my hiney, in terms of kida and me, she would beat me hands down, however, in terms of my zanpaktou vs hers, the fight is anybody's. it depends on the elements she chooses, and my skill level at the time of facing her. my lazy release is short range. my full release is long range. NL is a long range fighter, so if i am able to get within close range of her, i have the upper hand.

Second, you > us? Arrogance. First lesson any Martial Artist learns is that you are never the best. In fact, the very concept of being the best is an illusion. There is always going to be someone who is better than you no matter what you're doing. And even if you do somehow become the best at one thing, it only means that you're the worst at something else. Think about that before talking about being better than everyone.

well, i could point towards bleach examples (byakuya, yoruichi, mayuri, kempachi, yumichika) as examples of arrogance. there is nothing wrong with arrogance if it can be backed up and is based on valid evidence. the strongest characters are always the most arrogant, and with good reason. think about that.

...also, for someone who loves poisons so much, you seem to be loath to understand the concept that even your own self-assured nature can be toxic if you let it get out of hand. As your signature says, all things are poisons, but it is the dose that makes it toxic.

any nature can be toxic. a humble nature can hurt one's chances, or improve them, by either lowering an enemies guard or by having them go all out just to crush you fully. same as any other nature. no matter what your nature, it can be toxic to you. you just have to acknowledge that, look for the weaknesses in your nature, and cover them well or improve on them.

The concept behing your Zanpaktou is fine, but the Bankai just made me collapse into a massive laughing fit at the imagined expression on your opponent's face. You don't even need to do anything against most male combatants xD

i know eh. its a very disarming bankai, yet incredibly powerful. like rangiku's b00bs ^_^

[MasterCharizard15]

Reads above posts and sighs, then sips a drink and mutter something about wishing he had alcohol and actually drank.

Before I say anything, all I ask is why? Honestly aside from fan fics that always die, nobody ever Battles here. Aside from Me and Eon, nothing...so it seems pointless to boast saying you could own all the other captains, since you wouldn't be able to prove it.

@Eon
Good argument, I agree with you on alot of points.

@Dac

Pride and arrogance are not the exact same thing, they both are similar enough to be used interchangeably without being grammatically incorrect, but they are not the same.

Pride
-a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.

--the state or feeling of being proud.

---a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.

Yoruichi and Byakuya are shining examples of Pride, The latter having it as a character defining trait.

Arrogance
-offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.
--making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud.

[Thus we see this nor pride, its an overdose of it.]

Kenpachi, Yumichika and Mayuri all show this, and all nearly die for it.


Now to link this explanation to the club, I'll use the four Royal members, Arc, Dre, Dac and MC.

Arc is modest.

Modest-having or showing a moderate or humble estimate of one's merits, importance, etc.; free from vanity, egotism, boastfulness, or great pretensions.

He even never rubs his importance in anyone's face, he does boast about having an advantage over fire and poison, but otherwise okay.

Dre is indifferent.

He doesn't care that his is royalty or not, he just wants to have fun and get crunk. XD Seriously, he shows no signs of caring about his royal lineage, in fact we only know about it via his back story.

Dac is arrogant.

He is the most, flashy, narcissistic, overconfident and boastful captain/former captain out of all of us. Kida tells us he has good points, and a few know he has them, but its hard to see with all that ego in the way.

MC is prideful.

I pride myself on being my absolute best, not conforming to anyone's ideals but choosing and following what I personally believe in. I know I'm not the most physically strongest,the fastest, most defensive, most endurant, intelligent or most adept with Kido.

I know this and know my limits in those categories, yet I still have Pride in the fact that I am not the worst or best at any of those, and could take on anyone better than me in one or two particular areas with will skill and experience with the others.

Pride= Proud of yourself even with your short comings and still having the balls/guts to believe your hot stuff anyway.

Arrogance= Believing you are the best and nobody can tell you otherwise.

[I like Pokemon (...)]

^ILP: not Sam and Adam. it's from the episode Tall Tales when Dean tells his version of what happened and makes Sam an overly emotional wuss who is "always saying pansy stuff like that." Sam hugs that guy, who was a witness to one of the Trickster's schemes, and asks him about his feelings.

Ah, right. It's been a while since I've seen that episode. It didn't look like Dean, so I thought Adam.

finally finished Fullbring. Beware for it is long.

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Fullbring Name: Hand of Fate
Fullbring Item: the 22 Major Arcana Tarot cards

Activation description: The deck flashes silver indicating that it has been randomized. To activate each card's ability I have to draw the card, say "Fate's hand had dealt you..." or "Fate's hand has dealt me..." (the former is used for targeting the opponent while the latter is for targeting me) followed by the name of the card. Most of the abilities are not offensive. They require using the hinderances laid upon the opponent to the user's advantage.

Other: Myself or an opponent can't be subject to more than three "Fate"s at once. Once a card is used it may not be recycled.


Fullbring Ability: Each card has a different ability. The card's ablities can be canceled by destroying the card or what the card manifests.

The Fool- Seals the target's reishi based attacks

The Magician- Absorbs an attack fired at the target

The High Priestess- Allows the target to predict the attacks of the enemy

The Empress- Creates a feeling of serenity in the target, preventing them from assaulting the user

The Emperor- A pressure overwhelms the target, bringing them to their knees

The Hierophant- Gives the target knowledge of the opponents abilities

The Lovers- The target's mind is overwhelmed by raw instinct. In this state they are unable to reason and become easier to hit and dodge, but gain the advantage of extra speed and strength.

The Chariot- Manifests a white sword and black sword to be used by the target

Justice- Gives the target Clear Vision, or the ability to find every weak spot in the enemy's defenses.

The Hermit- Hides the target's spirtual pressure from the opponent

Wheel of Fortune- Fires an energy beam that's strength is determined by a spin of the wheel. The strength ranges from 1-10.

Strength- Doubles the physical strength of the target

The Hanged Man- Chains of light restrain the target's limbs

Death- Manifests a black sickle for the target's use. Is able to reap the life of all spirtual or physical beings

Temperance- Heals the wounds of the target

The Devil- The target, unknowingly, begins to make weaker attacks. The card makes the target's ego believe the weak attacks are actually damaging the enemy severely

The Tower- A stone pillar rises from the earth to strike the target

The Star- Creates seven balls of light that launch at the enemy and explode on impact (think Senju Koten Taiho)

The Moon- Raises a wall of water in front of the target as defense

The Sun- Enables the target to launch fireballs from their hands

Judgement- Creates a spear for the target that causes tremors when struck against something

The World- Manifests a large sword for the target. Think of Rebellion, Dante's sword from Devil May Cry 4. Once the sword is active, all other cards abilities disapper. The World will appear on top of the deck after 6 cards have been destroyed.

 

That's it for now.

I really like it. I've added it in to my list of fullbring profiles.
Speaking of which, I'll try and get around to organising it today.

sooooo not true no such thing as too nice

good luck with that :P

if kida died i would be ECSTATIC!!! do you know how much fun life would be without her keeping me in check?

xD
nerdiness is such a necessary quality for uni. before uni, i dont think I had spent a night in a library ever before

>.> Now that you've said it, I'm worried.

Whythankyou.

*Smacks* Don't say something like that again. And if it were to happen, I'll be on your back. With a whip. Made of chains. On fire.

And I'm not really a bookworm. To be honest, I'm really lazy. I have an exam in 5 days, and I know I need to revise some sections in depth.

@ILP: you really think it's good with just the clock? okay then, maybe i'll wait for votes from captain, I might just trash everything but the clock part and re-work it a bit

Yeah, I think that's fine.
And I haven't saved Ryaku's profile because he's an OC that will, very likely, only appear in your fic only.

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Release Command; In the memory of Death, smile
There are two release commands. There is the release command that does not let the zanpaktou go into full release mode (a sort of lazy release and then the full release. For the lazy release to occur, one just needs to say "Smile Hakaishi", for the full release, one must say "In the memory of Death, smile Hakaishi"

That's quite interesting, having 2 types of releases. I think Yumichika does something similar, no?

Abilities in this form:
-Toxic gas: Toxic gas spews from the coffin and can cause death if inhaled
-If necessary, I can grab a Baselard out of thin air

Presumably, you yourself are affected by this toxic gas? You would likely have some form of a resistance but not an immunity. And I think saying "it causes death if inhaled" makes it sound too powerful. Instant death in shikai? Perhaps something more like, it causes paralysis, or severe pain, etc. that worsens over time, and will cause death if not treated.

Oh, and I assume there's a limit to the amount of Baselards you can summon, otherwise it seems like Zam's zan as well as all this poison stuff.

-Servant: She has the ability to call any nearby dead people to become her slaves and do her bidding (this ability only works when she is near a cemetary or there are dead people nearby). The limit to the amount of people she can control at a time is based on the riatsu I have remaining. The longer the battle goes on, the fewer dead she can control

ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE!
This will be, I think, a useless ability in the Soul Society, as anyone who dies is reincarnated on Earth. And seeing as how no matter where you are, there HAS to be a dead body underneath you (no matter HOW old), you should limit it to a body that's been long for X days/weeks/months/years.
 

And I just want everyone to remember:
Somewhere out there, in an alternate universe, is a Da.c with a naked man as his bankai.

Check that for ILPy. He is a mega-nerd.

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Come out to play~

I just want to start with a short message:
THIS IS A VERY LONG CHAPTER!

A large puff of smoke came and limp doll-versions of Cell, Saph, and Erin were strewn across the ground. A little wooden sign was put in the ground among the dolls. “Kawarimi no Jutsu!” was in black lettering upon said sign.

Cameron promptly used the whip to do an Indiana Jones/Spiderman Style trick on a ridiculously convenient pole as he searched for the three. He muttered under his breath, “They can live…until I get my prize~”

This whole thing just made me lol.

“Lightning Strike!” Cell called out to the others, who instantly understood what he meant. Saph opened her fan up fully as Cell threw several needles into the air. These needles stopped in mid-air due to Saph’s control over wind. Lastly, Erin began discharging electricity into the floating conductors-making a spider web of lightning. Cell fired a single iron arrow through the center of it, “Hadou no Yon! Byakurai!” The result of this? A very fancy looking attack made up of a very large electric arrow with an iron core.

This needs to be animated.

(Riksent Castle. Antebellum 3 monthes)

“Princess Shine, I’m so glad you are safe! Our soldiers are trying to keep them away, but they won’t be able to hold them off much longer. We have to get you somewhere safe!” The butler, Sir L’Dhal, urged.

I think I'm losing the plot now.

Shine said confidently, walking towards the front of the castle. From somewhere in her dress twin pistols made their way into her hands.

“Make me, I’ll kick your ***!” Shine replied, raising her guns.

“P-princess Shine, that’s unbecoming of a lady!”

“I mean…I shalt not surrender to thee. Hell hath no fury like an attacked princess!” Shine called out, shooting the being squad in the chest despite their dodging.

Win.

An Indian woman ran in, dressed in overextravagant clothing and caring a small strange gun-shaped weapon. “Princess, my name is Radha and I’m here to protect you.”

This just seems really random.

“Blueprint.” The went around them instantly changed. The four of them were in a dark chamber. In fact, they were in two different chambers. The boy and the dragon were in a cave. Simply a cave. Although there were no openings. At all.

8O DUN DUN DUN!!!!

 

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XKCD is amazing.

Well, I finally thought of a fullbring that I LOVE. Comments/suggestions are welcome!

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Fullbring Name: Moods of Battle

Fullbring Item: A blue sad face, (as in, circles with a face in them) on one hand, and a yellow happy face on the other.

Fullbring Activation Description: Two chains come out of either hand, and a rip opens up in the sky and earth, the happy face chain goes into the sky, the sad face goes into the earth, and they start reeling in as two beings are pulled out. A being made of pure red water comes out of the sky, extremely lithe and fast, and a constantly cracking being made of blue electricity comes out of the earth, large and sluggish. The tears close. Both are connected to my hands through the chains.

Fullbring ability: I gain the ability to take control of these two, the closer you get to the being of water, the more sluggish and depressed your thoughts and movements are, and it has the ability to move extremely fast, and it can malform it's hands into a high pressure lances or blades.

The lightning being is very large, slow, and the closer you get to him, the more irrational and hyperactive your movements and thoughts become, and your body might twitch or make random jabs or movements. It has the ability to slam down and crack or raise the earth, but no control other then that. Other then that, it's punches hit hard.
 

That's awesome, I really like it XD. Saved.

for starters, i resent that. i have never made myself look like an idiot :| stop being a h8r :P

I disagree, you have And even if it isn't any specific instances, you're personality makes us shake our head and sigh often enough.

p.s. i scanned everyone else's zanpaktou, and none of ya'll can laY a finger on me

I > all of you

That's not true. Everyone can, understand the right circumstances (some more extreme than others) can beat everyone else. For example, if MC was near a volcano, his Supernova Blast Burn would definitely beat Arc. In his Bankai, it says that healing takes up reiatsu, and he can't do his Last Resort Healing move if he has half of his reiatsu, which MC can force Arc to deplete.

So don't get too cocky.

I never said poison would be effective against Arc, however, if one depends entirely on the special abilities of their zanpaktou, they aren't strong warriors and would lose in any battle anyway.

You yourself said "none of ya'll can laY a finger on me". Arc very clearly can, because his abilities are stronger than yours, and the fact that he's a Kidou master. Effectively, you become a melee user with kidou, while Arc still has his water element, and HIS kidou. You are entirely incorrect here.

as for kida kicking my hiney, in terms of kida and me, she would beat me hands down, however, in terms of my zanpaktou vs hers, the fight is anybody's. it depends on the elements she chooses,

"Depending on the element she chooses" and why would she choose NOT to use the element that would lead to her winning the fight, short term or long term wise? If she wanted to, she could use water for the immediate advantage. Or she could use her other elements, if she has a different plan that would work.

there is nothing wrong with arrogance if it can be backed up and is based on valid evidence. the strongest characters are always the most arrogant, and with good reason. think about that.

Yes there is something wrong with arrogance, even if you can back it up. As you can see by Szayel's fight, he himself was arrogant - sure he could back it up - but it was his downfall against Mayuri. Mayuri had, in a backwards way, the modesty of being able to say "I am not perfect", which allowed him to win. And it was this modesty that made him prepare for any and every situation, effectively, and use the superhuman drug on Szayel.

[Da14u.C]

@Dac

Pride and arrogance are not the exact same thing, they both are similar enough to be used interchangeably without being grammatically incorrect, but they are not the same.

i agree, they are not the same thing

Pride
-a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.

--the state or feeling of being proud.

---a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.

Yoruichi and Byakuya are shining examples of Pride, The latter having it as a character defining trait.

I completely disagree. Remember when Byakuya was fighting kempachi in the zanpaktou arc? He was so surprised tat kempachi could catch him that it actually showed on his face. Pride = confidence in your skill. Arrogance is belief that your skill is better than that of others. In that instance, he clearly believed he was better than kempachi. Another instance is when Byakuya fought Ichigo in the early episodes, he believed Ichigo to be so pathetic, he did not notice Ichigoś growth in skilluntil it was too late, and remember when Ichigo first released his bankai? byakuya did not believe it was a bankai till he got cut. hence, arrogance, not pride.

I cannot think of any arrogant instances for yoruichi, so imma give you that one.

Arrogance
-offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.
--making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud.

[Thus we see this nor pride, its an overdose of it.]

Kenpachi, Yumichika and Mayuri all show this, and all nearly die for it.

I beg to differ once more.

Yumichika has never almost died because of his arrogance and vanity, he has always almost died because of his pride as a squad 11 person, though he is clearly very weak without use of his zanpaktou's kido abilities, so when he doesnt use them, he has pretty much always lost. that has nothing to do with his arrogance.

Mayuri has never almost died because of his arrogance either, he has only almost died because he has tried to keep the opponent he was fighting alive for later experimentation. When they injure him beyond a point, then he snaps and really battles, but before that he is essentially trying to paralyse and capture them.

Kempachi.... he has almost lost a fight (the one with nnoitora (sp?) ) due to his reckless nature, not due to his arrogant nature. he ddnt lose because he believed he was better and nnoitoria proved him wrong, he almost lost because he was not tinkin as he fought, when he slowed down to think, he won.

Now to link this explanation to the club, I'll use the four Royal members, Arc, Dre, Dac and MC.

Arc is modest.

Modest-having or showing a moderate or humble estimate of one's merits, importance, etc.; free from vanity, egotism, boastfulness, or great pretensions.

He even never rubs his importance in anyone's face, he does boast about having an advantage over fire and poison, but otherwise okay.

Dre is indifferent.

He doesn't care that his is royalty or not, he just wants to have fun and get crunk. XD Seriously, he shows no signs of caring about his royal lineage, in fact we only know about it via his back story.

Dac is arrogant.

He is the most, flashy, narcissistic, overconfident and boastful captain/former captain out of all of us. Kida tells us he has good points, and a few know he has them, but its hard to see with all that ego in the way.

MC is prideful.

I pride myself on being my absolute best, not conforming to anyone's ideals but choosing and following what I personally believe in. I know I'm not the most physically strongest,the fastest, most defensive, most endurant, intelligent or most adept with Kido.

I know this and know my limits in those categories, yet I still have Pride in the fact that I am not the worst or best at any of those, and could take on anyone better than me in one or two particular areas with will skill and experience with the others.

Pride= Proud of yourself even with your short comings and still having the balls/guts to believe your hot stuff anyway.

Arrogance= Believing you are the best and nobody can tell you otherwise.

i cannot disagree with this aalysis. i think its pretty spot on for everyone
plus we all know, ya'll would not love me half as much without my awesome ego

now onto ILP. you are a tougher cookie.

>.> Now that you've said it, I'm worried.

Whythankyou.

*Smacks* Don't say something like that again. And if it were to happen, I'll be on your back. With a whip. Made of chains. On fire.

And I'm not really a bookworm. To be honest, I'm really lazy. I have an exam in 5 days, and I know I need to revise some sections in depth.

this is going to sound absolutely terrible but my mind is so skewered after exams (i had exams all through april) and when i study for exams, i listen to one song on repeat for the entire time i study, so for that entire month, all i was listening to was S&M by rihanna, so anytime i hear chains, i remember the line "sticks and stonesmay break my bones but chains and whips excite me"
who knew..... subliminal messaging works xD

on a more positive note, i am sure that threat would be scary to anyone who hasn' t heard that rihanna song

That's quite interesting, having 2 types of releases. I think Yumichika does something similar, no?

yeah, i kind of got the idea from yumichika. In all my fics, and i always state this, i hate people seeing my zanpaktou in released form because i like to keep it a secret, and its abilities a secret, just to remain mysterious and whatnot, hence a fake release would be most necessary to keep the real release underwraps. my fighting style is basically to use kido and flash step and only release my zan as a last resort, and even then, i now have a lazy release, so for me to do the real release, my oponent would prety much have to be another captain/lieutenant

Presumably, you yourself are affected by this toxic gas? You would likely have some form of a resistance but not an immunity. And I think saying "it causes death if inhaled" makes it sound too powerful. Instant death in shikai? Perhaps something more like, it causes paralysis, or severe pain, etc. that worsens over time, and will cause death if not treated.

it doesnt make sense for the user to be affected by his own zanpaktou's ability.
oooh, in shikai form, i did not mean instant death. i sort of had it in my head the same way mayuri's toxic gas works. like, how people inhale it, slowly faint and die eventually, but maybe a a slower pace than that. sorry i did not specify

Oh, and I assume there's a limit to the amount of Baselards you can summon, otherwise it seems like Zam's zan as well as all this poison stuff.

going to check up on Zam's zan.

checked

nah, its completely different. Zam's zan has the ability to manifest multiple blades at a time which he shoots at the enemy. like the blind dude from bleach.

my ability is more like, a gun. with a gun, you can only shoot one bullet at a time rght? i can only summon and direct two swords at a time towards an enemy (one from each hand)

so its like i raise one hand, a sowrd appears, i point at the enemy, and it hurtles towards them, and if i need to, i can pull a sword out of this air with my hand(s).

ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE!
This will be, I think, a useless ability in the Soul Society, as anyone who dies is reincarnated on Earth. And seeing as how no matter where you are, there HAS to be a dead body underneath you (no matter HOW old), you should limit it to a body that's been long for X days/weeks/months/years.
And I just want everyone to remember:
Somewhere out there, in an alternate universe, is a Da.c with a naked man as his bankai.

hm.... well, i did not think of it that way. the soul society does have cemetaries (e.g. the one byakuya visits t remember his wife), and the ability is very useful for when you are in an area where multiple people have just been massacred. tha being said, hm, I think i should put a limit on how deep the body can be, because, as you said, no matter where you are, there has to be a dead body underneath you, but it will be SO deep underneath you if you aren't at a cemetary/graveyard, and the body probably would not be able to claw its way out esecially if we are in a cemented area. So i will just check the standard burial depth and edit that

as for that alternate universe
this universe lets me stun lesbians/bisexual women and heterosexual/bisexual males (i am canadian, we are so politically correct when it comes to these things....)
that universe lets me stun heterosexual/bisexual women and gay/bisexual men


win - win

I disagree, you have And even if it isn't any specific instances, you're personality makes us shake our head and sigh often enough.

:P and you know you love it

That's not true. Everyone can, understand the right circumstances (some more extreme than others) can beat everyone else. For example, if MC was near a volcano, his Supernova Blast Burn would definitely beat Arc. In his Bankai, it says that healing takes up reiatsu, and he can't do his Last Resort Healing move if he has half of his reiatsu, which MC can force Arc to deplete.

meh, and i meant under the right circumstances, i can trump you all for give me for not being specific to the circumstances at which i can pwn all of you

So don't get too cocky.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL i could not stop laughing at this
i am so cocky
but careful, and i do think things through. which makes me the most ANNOYING combination alive

You yourself said "none of ya'll can laY a finger on me". Arc very clearly can, because his abilities are stronger than yours, and the fact that he's a Kidou master. Effectively, you become a melee user with kidou, while Arc still has his water element, and HIS kidou. You are entirely incorrect here.

Arc is mainly healing, and his offensive type attacks are long range (including kido. me being one of the best at flash step, coupled with a short range zanpaktou give me the advantage, with or without poison.

"Depending on the element she chooses" and why would she choose NOT to use the element that would lead to her winning the fight, short term or long term wise? If she wanted to, she could use water for the immediate advantage. Or she could use her other elements, if she has a different plan that would work.

because each element has its strengths and weaknesses against me. if she chooses water, that makes her extremely long range, which would put her at an immediate diadvantage. if she chose earth, however, and used her earthquake move, that would definately make me lose my footing and have to resort to my full shikai release which is long range, and then we would be on even turn in terms of long range and short range, and then it becomes my power vs her power, however, earth has no advantage over poison, and vice versa, so it would be purely a battle of wit and skill. in that kind of battle, it is impossible to predict who would win because i am very smart, but so is NL.

there is no element that gives her a clear advantage, however, water gives her a clear disadvantage, especially since she uses a paint brush as her weapon, hence, she would almost guaranteed lose in a short range battle if she chose water to beat me. gosh ILP, i expected better tactics from you

fire would allow NL quick,rapid attacks tat would keep me at bay, that would be an excellent element for her to use against me instead. hence i will repeat "depending on the element she chooses, and the tactics she uses"

Yes there is something wrong with arrogance, even if you can back it up. As you can see by Szayel's fight, he himself was arrogant - sure he could back it up - but it was his downfall against Mayuri. Mayuri had, in a backwards way, the modesty of being able to say "I am not perfect", which allowed him to win. And it was this modesty that made him prepare for any and every situation, effectively, and use the superhuman drug on Szayel.

incorrect!

Mayuri studied the fight ishida had with syazel and CAME PREPARRED. in a reverse situation, syazel wuld have done the same. Mayuri did not do any backup moves/tactics, he came in knowing his oponents abilites and how to counter them.
mayuri's "i am not perfect line" is the definition of his arrogace. His reason to exist would be nullified if he became perfect, so he is arrogant about his imperfection but constant improvement. it isnt a twisted sense of humility. it is still just pure arogance.

have you ever met a gymnast? they work and train 24 7 to achieve perfection, hence if they want to boast, they should be given the right to because of how hard they worked to get to to where they are.


wow. fun discussion

EDIT: too lazy to do another post

EDIT: *faceplants on desk* Not again, Dauc. And in no way is this fun. Do you enjoy giving people headaches? Because you excell at it. great, I probably just added to his ego :P

I'll get to your points in a little bit...

i am just enjoying this because you feel the need to prove me incorrect and bring me down a peg or two. but we all know this is impossible, however, you feel the urge to try, and that will cause you a headache because i do bring up extremely valid points, and so to counter them you do have to think

and yes, my ego has increased slightly from your compliment

[Eon Master]

Reads above posts and sighs, then sips a drink and mutter something about wishing he had alcohol and actually drank.

Agreed. My entire gene pool is practically filled with alcohol anyway, so I was really wishing for some type of liquor.

French, German, Irish, British, and Russian, if anyone was wondering.

Thanks to you and ILP for elaborating on my meanings.

I think Yumichika does something similar, no?

Yep. Anyone could probably do it. For example, instead of "Attack and Defend, Tanryoku no Rei", I could just say "Attack, Tanryoku no Rei", or "Defend, Tanryoku no Rei" to summon just my Shikai sword or shield, and give me a partial enhancement boost.

Agreeing with all your points on Dauc's Zanpaktou, btw. I didn't really give it a thorough look, as I was a bit preoccupied at the time.

Somewhere out there, in an alternate universe, is a Da.c with a naked man as his bankai.

*dies of extreme laughter* You channeled Jin with that one, Ant ;p

@Blue: I love that Fullbring idea ;p
Although, I do find it ironic that the water creature is faster while the lightning creature is slow. A bit backwards, don't you think?

@kusari: A very original Fullbring. Tarot cards ftw.

Fanfic either tonight or tomorrow.

EDIT: *faceplants on desk* Not again, Dauc. And in no way is this fun. Do you enjoy giving people headaches? Because you excell at it. great, I probably just added to his ego :P

I'll get to your points in a little bit...

EDIT 2.0: In no particular order. I just grabbed whatever drew my attention at the time, and there's quite a bit to comment on.

meh, and i meant under the right circumstances, i can trump you all for give me for not being specific to the circumstances at which i can pwn all of you

This is also true for all of us as well, so your point here is moot regardless. It's not like you're the only one who uses your brain in a fight, and some of us don't even need to :P

plus we all know, ya'll would not love me half as much without my awesome ego

*rolleyes* I'm sure several of us would like you a bit more if you were just prideful and not arrogant. Though I'm sure we'd miss mocking you from time to time

I completely disagree. Remember when Byakuya was fighting kempachi in the zanpaktou arc? He was so surprised tat kempachi could catch him that it actually showed on his face. Pride = confidence in your skill. Arrogance is belief that your skill is better than that of others. In that instance, he clearly believed he was better than kempachi. Another instance is when Byakuya fought Ichigo in the early episodes, he believed Ichigo to be so pathetic, he did not notice Ichigoś growth in skilluntil it was too late, and remember when Ichigo first released his bankai? byakuya did not believe it was a bankai till he got cut. hence, arrogance, not pride.

I will agree with you here, Byakuya is arrogant. You also forgot his fight with Renji as another example, though.

However, Byakuya differs from you in that he is willing to go into battle and do whatever is necessary to acchieve his victory. When he fought Ichigo, he used Senkei, which he reserves for opponents whom he considers worthy, against someone who he thought was trash. In effect, he quashed his own pride to fight Ichigo on even terms. You're incapable of diong this. Byakuya also believes that he can triumph no matter how hopeless the situation seems, in effect making him more like Ichigo. He has a huge ammount of pride in his skills, but he also knows when he's wrong and will praise others when they deserve it (i.e. him throwing the fight against Ichigo, him praising Renji for his final effort to kill him). You're also incapable of this.

it doesnt make sense for the user to be affected by his own zanpaktou's ability.

Not true. Several Zanpaktou can affect the user, ILP's being a prime example of this. Not that it has any bearing on this, but I thought I'd point it out.

Yumichika has never almost died because of his arrogance and vanity, he has always almost died because of his pride as a squad 11 person, though he is clearly very weak without use of his zanpaktou's kido abilities, so when he doesnt use them, he has pretty much always lost. that has nothing to do with his arrogance.

One word: Ganju. A perfect example of Yumichika's arrogance. You can't deny that if he'd been serious from the start (with Fuji Kujaku or his shunpou speed, not Ruriiro Kujaku [sp?]) and stopped toying with Ganju, he would've had no problem with him. Instead, he lost in a very embarassing way :P

Mayuri has never almost died because of his arrogance either, he has only almost died because he has tried to keep the opponent he was fighting alive for later experimentation. When they injure him beyond a point, then he snaps and really battles, but before that he is essentially trying to paralyse and capture them.

Uryuu. Mayuri underestimated and mocked him from the start. Showing him the picture of his grandfather, telling him about the experimentation on the Quincy's, and beating his daughter despite Uryuu's protests while Uryuu was helpless to stop him are all major indicators of this.

Kempachi.... he has almost lost a fight (the one with nnoitora (sp?) ) due to his reckless nature, not due to his arrogant nature. he ddnt lose because he believed he was better and nnoitoria proved him wrong, he almost lost because he was not tinkin as he fought, when he slowed down to think, he won.

If you think about it, Kenpachi's refusal to fight with actual kendo is a form of arrogance, and he nearly lost to Nnoitra because of it. He literally halves his strength just because he thinks that it's overkill to use both hands on a sword. His sealing of his powers even against stronger opponents is also arrogance, and it nearly cost him his life against Ichigo. If he'd been going all-out once he realized Ichigo was stronger than him (i.e. once Ichigo mastered Zangetsu), he would've won. Instead, he decided to prolong the fight just because he thought it'd be more enjoyable. Again Ichynose in the Bount arc, he underestimates Saikoku Nijigasume (sp?) and gets trapped. Sure, he breaks out, but if he'd actually started trying when Ichynose first unveiled the technique, he would've had no problem with him, but instead he toys with him just to have more fun. Kenpachi is actually one of the most arrogant people in Bleach, imo.

Arc is mainly healing, and his offensive type attacks are long range

Not technically true. Arc's water attacks are also quite powerful in close combat, and are perfect for hemming his opponent in so he can strike them. Faster opponents don't necessarily have an advantage against him if he plays it right.

Arguments against NL.

Which is why Kida's Bankai can combine elements and use multiple types at once to cover for the weaknesses of each individual element. And even if you're faster and a close-range type, that doesn't guarantee victory against her either, I'm the same way to an even greater extent, and I can't win against her outright, not without some crazy tactics.

incorrect!

Mayuri studied the fight ishida had with syazel and CAME PREPARRED. in a reverse situation, syazel wuld have done the same. Mayuri did not do any backup moves/tactics, he came in knowing his oponents abilites and how to counter them.
mayuri's "i am not perfect line" is the definition of his arrogace. His reason to exist would be nullified if he became perfect, so he is arrogant about his imperfection but constant improvement. it isnt a twisted sense of humility. it is still just pure arogance.

No backup tactics? Every move he made in that battle involved a backup tactic of some sort. He had no idea that Szayel would try to use Nemu as a method to rebirth himself (horrible grammar >.>), but he came prepared for that scenario anyway. And your argument about the "I am not perfect" line doesn't make logical sense. Arrogance about a weakness? What. And he said that constant improvement is better than being perfect, because it keeps the person in perspective, which he displays through a lack of arrogance in that battle. Yes, he has his arrogant moments, but he knows that without proper preperation, he wouldn't have won.

I have nothing else to say right now.

[Northern Lights]

because each element has its strengths and weaknesses against me. if she chooses water, that makes her extremely long range, which would put her at an immediate diadvantage. if she chose earth, however, and used her earthquake move, that would definately make me lose my footing and have to resort to my full shikai release which is long range, and then we would be on even turn in terms of long range and short range, and then it becomes my power vs her power, however, earth has no advantage over poison, and vice versa, so it would be purely a battle of wit and skill. in that kind of battle, it is impossible to predict who would win because i am very smart, but so is NL.

Who said Water had to be long range, it can be close range too. I could just draw water from within the ground and shoot it up your ass
Earth has the advantage over poison in that I can create an antidote, all toxins are derived from a naturally occuring compound, all I have to do is infect myself, my body will work out how the toxin affects my biochemistry and the Earth will respond and provide me with an antidote.
Fire, if it reaches a high enough temperature, would perhaps denature the structure of your poison, thus rendering it useless. So, Fire types weilded by Captain class shinigami would definatly be a problem for you.
Air, I would just blow the poison clouds away, and wave as they pass by =]

EDIT: *faceplants on desk* Not again, Dauc. And in no way is this fun. Do you enjoy giving people headaches? Because you excell at it. great, I probably just added to his ego :P

I'll get to your points in a little bit...

No, he's just trying to become as unpopular as possible.
I HATE arrogance, and you, Da.c are arrogant; it doesn't matter if you have something to back it up, or it's 'justified', you should still be humble and modest for the gifts that life gives you, it can take it away just as easily as it came to you.
Ego is nothing but a repellent to most people.

Now, I suggest we all just lie down but someone hurts themselves.

BTW, whose watching Eurovision? and if so, who wants to know the drinking game for it >D

[Da14u.C]

Who said Water had to be close range. I could just draw water from within the ground and shoot it up your ass
Earth has the advantage over poison in that I can create an antidote, all toxins are derived from a naturally occuring compound, all I have to do is infect myself, my body will work out how the toxin affects my biochemistry and the Earth will respond and provide me with an antidote.
Fire, if it reaches a high enough temperature, would perhaps denature the structure of your poison, thus rendering it useless. So, Fire types weilded by Captain class shinigami would definatly be a problem for you.
Air, I would just blow the poison clouds away, and wave as they pass by =]

oh no..... not you too :|

did you ompletely miss the part where i specififed that a poison user never relies on their poison, but on ther skill, and that their poison is just an added benefit?
mayuri and soifon are the first two examples that come to mind. neither ever sits on their asses and blows poison towards an opponent. it is just an added benefit on their zanpaktous. not once in my arguement did i say you would be affected by my poison, i did say you would be affected by the range of my zanpaktou vs yours. and i never said water was close range. i said it was long range :| really, if you are gonna attack me, at least attack what i wrote :|

No, he's just trying to become as unpopular as possible.
I HATE arrogance, and you, Da.c are arrogant; it doesn't matter if you have something to back it up, or it's 'justified', you should still be humble and modest for the gifts that life gives you, it can take it away just as easily as it came to you.
Ego is nothing but a repellent to most people.

EDIT: decided to get rid of this emotional rant. NL and I handled this in private ^_^


p.s. eon master, i will get back to you later. i am feeling tired right now

EDIT: ok, rested up a bit. you bring up some valid points

This is also true for all of us as well, so your point here is moot regardless. It's not like you're the only one who uses your brain in a fight, and some of us don't even need to :P

haha. wellyeah. thats the wonderful thing about this, anyone can beat anyone in the right circumstances. i just am teh only one who will make sure you know that you can be beaten by me

*rolleyes* I'm sure several of us would like you a bit more if you were just prideful and not arrogant. Though I'm sure we'd miss mocking you from time to time

go on..... admit it..... you know you love me.....

I will agree with you here, Byakuya is arrogant. You also forgot his fight with Renji as another example, though.

he beat renji though, right? and as far as i know, he didnot almost lose. he did nt even get a scratch on him.

However, Byakuya differs from you in that he is willing to go into battle and do whatever is necessary to acchieve his victory. When he fought Ichigo, he used Senkei, which he reserves for opponents whom he considers worthy, against someone who he thought was trash. In effect, he quashed his own pride to fight Ichigo on even terms. You're incapable of diong this. Byakuya also believes that he can triumph no matter how hopeless the situation seems, in effect making him more like Ichigo. He has a huge ammount of pride in his skills, but he also knows when he's wrong and will praise others when they deserve it (i.e. him throwing the fight against Ichigo, him praising Renji for his final effort to kill him). You're also incapable of this.

that's quite an incorrect assumption to make. just because you have no recollection of me admitting defeat to anyone does nt mean that i have never done so. i am pretty sure i have admitted defeat to ILP, NL and probably Golde on multiple debates, and i am 100% sure that i have complimented ILP, NL, FS, and most of the older members (though i cant remember). just look at older posts of mine as evidence.
but as for the fighting someone on even footing i am probably like yumichika in the sense that if i have an advantage, i will use it, i would not choose to fight fair. but i dont think that has anything to do with arrogance. its more to do with pride.

Not true. Several Zanpaktou can affect the user, ILP's being a prime example of this. Not that it has any bearing on this, but I thought I'd point it out.

meh, imma give you that.

One word: Ganju. A perfect example of Yumichika's arrogance. You can't deny that if he'd been serious from the start (with Fuji Kujaku or his shunpou speed, not Ruriiro Kujaku [sp?]) and stopped toying with Ganju, he would've had no problem with him. Instead, he lost in a very embarassing way :P

oh yeah!!! i completely forgot about that one! though it wasn; t because yumichika thought he had better skills than ganju, it was because of yumi's vanity. Ganju was ugly, and hence, he could not take Ganju seriiously. the fault for that loss ws his vanity, not his arrogance.
hm.... or maybe a bit of both.

Uryuu. Mayuri underestimated and mocked him from the start. Showing him the picture of his grandfather, telling him about the experimentation on the Quincy's, and beating his daughter despite Uryuu's protests while Uryuu was helpless to stop him are all major indicators of this.

unless my memory is incorrect, mayuri mocks all the peope he battles with, but he wanted ishida as a test subject at first and so fought to obtain him alive before getting angry and going all out.

If you think about it, Kenpachi's refusal to fight with actual kendo is a form of arrogance, and he nearly lost to Nnoitra because of it. He literally halves his strength just because he thinks that it's overkill to use both hands on a sword. His sealing of his powers even against stronger opponents is also arrogance, and it nearly cost him his life against Ichigo. If he'd been going all-out once he realized Ichigo was stronger than him (i.e. once Ichigo mastered Zangetsu), he would've won. Instead, he decided to prolong the fight just because he thought it'd be more enjoyable. Again Ichynose in the Bount arc, he underestimates Saikoku Nijigasume (sp?) and gets trapped. Sure, he breaks out, but if he'd actually started trying when Ichynose first unveiled the technique, he would've had no problem with him, but instead he toys with him just to have more fun. Kenpachi is actually one of the most arrogant people in Bleach, imo.

that is a ridiculously round-about way of seeing his refusal to fight with kendo. i just think he did not like kendo because it involved discipline which he hates. but meh. i am too lazy to argue otherwise on this point.

Not technically true. Arc's water attacks are also quite powerful in close combat, and are perfect for hemming his opponent in so he can strike them. Faster opponents don't necessarily have an advantage against him if he plays it right.

nothing has an advantage over anything if played right

Which is why Kida's Bankai can combine elements and use multiple types at once to cover for the weaknesses of each individual element. And even if you're faster and a close-range type, that doesn't guarantee victory against her either, I'm the same way to an even greater extent, and I can't win against her outright, not without some crazy tactics.

unless i misread, she cannot use multiple types in her shikai form without completely draining herself. hence all one needs is to bounce around, avoiding her combined elemental attacks, sh gets wiped out, collapses, and victory. only her bankai can comboine multiple types for prolongued usage. and meh, the one thing all my zanpaktous have had in common (other than being poison type) is they have all been the perfect partner zanpaktou to NL, and a great challenge for NL to beat. well, thats not one thing, but meh. my zan compliments hers to make it that if we were partners, we would be unbeatable, no matter the opponent, but it also makes it such that if we ever fight, she would have a hard time beating me, and i would have a hard time beating her.

No backup tactics? Every move he made in that battle involved a backup tactic of some sort. He had no idea that Szayel would try to use Nemu as a method to rebirth himself (horrible grammar >.>), but he came prepared for that scenario anyway. And your argument about the "I am not perfect" line doesn't make logical sense. Arrogance about a weakness? What. And he said that constant improvement is better than being perfect, because it keeps the person in perspective, which he displays through a lack of arrogance in that battle. Yes, he has his arrogant moments, but he knows that without proper preperation, he wouldn't have won.

I have nothing else to say right now.

pure coincidence.
rewatch the fight. mauri did not know that syazel would take over nemu, but luckily, he uses nemu as a vessel for a lot of his poisons. mayuri created nemu, hence if he had been like any other captain who had chosen his lieutenant, he would have lost, however, he isn't like any other captain. it is still coincidental though. he did not come prepared for that, he was just lucky. when syazel took over his bankai, that he prepared for, however, it wasnt a preparation he had done for his battle with syazel specifically, but it was a preparation he had made a long time ago knowing fullywell his zanpaktou had a will of its own.
arrogant people are arrogant because they are either blind to their weaknesses or their weakenesses are part of their strength. mayuri's weakness is part of his strength as a person and as a shinigami, hence it is one of the things he is proud of.

[Zameric]

Since I'm now officially on summer break, you guys can expect to see my fanfic start again soon.
Also, I might finish that list of theme songs I was working on too.

Does anyone else think its a bit too easy for Dac to...kill anyone now?

I could probably hold him off with my shikai.
Maybe even when he uses his bankai.

Hehe, thank you! I figured I might as well go for the term sexy in a literal manner

LMAO i just could not stop laughing at that "fan service"hahahahahahah. however, rangiku is total fan service and she kicks *** :P

p.s. i scanned everyone else's zanpaktou, and none of ya'll can laY a finger on me

Of course. You know, I've already got ideas of how I'm going to incorporate your new zan into my fic. 8D

*high five*

Pfft, that's what you think...

[I like Pokemon (...)]

now onto ILP. you are a tougher cookie.

And I pride myself on that.

this is going to sound absolutely terrible but my mind is so skewered after exams (i had exams all through april) and when i study for exams, i listen to one song on repeat for the entire time i study, so for that entire month, all i was listening to was S&M by rihanna, so anytime i hear chains, i remember the line "sticks and stonesmay break my bones but chains and whips excite me"
who knew..... subliminal messaging works xD

Why do I feel disgusting?

it doesnt make sense for the user to be affected by his own zanpaktou's ability.

Of course it does. For example, part of the reason why my ability is so good is because it affects me straight from the beginning. And it stops yourself from being overpowered. Sure you can have an advantage when the area is changed, or just be so used to it that it doesn't affect you as much (take Rotrum's for example).

nah, its completely different. Zam's zan has the ability to manifest multiple blades at a time which he shoots at the enemy. like the blind dude from bleach.

my ability is more like, a gun. with a gun, you can only shoot one bullet at a time rght? i can only summon and direct two swords at a time towards an enemy (one from each hand)

so its like i raise one hand, a sowrd appears, i point at the enemy, and it hurtles towards them, and if i need to, i can pull a sword out of this air with my hand(s).

I meant more like how he can pull swords from thin air and stab you, is like how you do it.

And didn't you say you read everyone's zan already, hence why you said "none of ya'll can laY a finger on me". If you had to read it more indepth now, then you weren't very thorough in your understanding of others' zanpakutous, and how well you would fair against them.

hm.... well, i did not think of it that way. the soul society does have cemetaries (e.g. the one byakuya visits t remember his wife),

It makes sense for them to be more... "metaphoric" graves, rather than literal graves where bodies are buried.

:P and you know you love it

And there you are wrong.

meh, and i meant under the right circumstances, i can trump you all for give me for not being specific to the circumstances at which i can pwn all of you

In which case it was redundant to state that. It is obvious that "under the right circumstances" anyone can beat anyone else.
And you should never consider the circumstances in your favour. They should always be neutral, or against you.

Arc is mainly healing, and his offensive type attacks are long range (including kido. me being one of the best at flash step, coupled with a short range zanpaktou give me the advantage, with or without poison.

While Arc focuses on healing, he does have good offenses. And Kidou is not just long-range, might I remind you, point-blank kidou is also very powerful.

there is no element that gives her a clear advantage, however, water gives her a clear disadvantage, especially since she uses a paint brush as her weapon, hence, she would almost guaranteed lose in a short range battle if she chose water to beat me. gosh ILP, i expected better tactics from you

I think NL tackled my answer pretty well.
And like you said, what fighter uses just their element? You're assuming that NL JUST uses her elemental attacks. She could just as easily use her brush as a physical weapon. Not to mention her kidou, which like I said with Arc, can be very powerful close-range.
Gosh Da.c, I expected you to know that a good debater can not be silenced after one counter.

Mayuri studied the fight ishida had with syazel and CAME PREPARRED. in a reverse situation, syazel wuld have done the same. Mayuri did not do any backup moves/tactics, he came in knowing his oponents abilites and how to counter them.
mayuri's "i am not perfect line" is the definition of his arrogace. His reason to exist would be nullified if he became perfect, so he is arrogant about his imperfection but constant improvement. it isnt a twisted sense of humility. it is still just pure arogance.

And that first paragraph is why I am correct. Because he was not arrogant enough to think "oh, I can beat him easily!". He knew that he had to come prepared to such extremes.
Could you explain further the arrogance he has in his imperfection? Because you didn't properly explain how he is.

have you ever met a gymnast? they work and train 24 7 to achieve perfection, hence if they want to boast, they should be given the right to because of how hard they worked to get to to where they are.

Within a certain limit. They can be prideful. Arrogance itself has no acceptable reasoning.

i am just enjoying this because you feel the need to prove me incorrect and bring me down a peg or two. but we all know this is impossible, however, you feel the urge to try, and that will cause you a headache because i do bring up extremely valid points, and so to counter them you do have to think

and yes, my ego has increased slightly from your compliment

Ehem, I have countered and argued against some of your points. Also against some details on your zanpakutou. You think of yourself as always correct, but in this club has been proof that you are not.

Yep. Anyone could probably do it. For example, instead of "Attack and Defend, Tanryoku no Rei", I could just say "Attack, Tanryoku no Rei", or "Defend, Tanryoku no Rei" to summon just my Shikai sword or shield, and give me a partial enhancement boost.

I suppose I could do some weird disguising of my abilities. Such as super speed only, or a more limited variation, or that it only affects my opponent, etc.

*dies of extreme laughter* You channeled Jin with that one, Ant ;p

XD Actually, I channeled MC who channeled Jin I'm not stealing his credit >.>

EDIT: *faceplants on desk* Not again, Dauc. And in no way is this fun. Do you enjoy giving people headaches? Because you excell at it. great, I probably just added to his ego :P

I'm enjoying it. It's always fun when you argue against someone who thinks they're always right, and prove them wrong.

You're also incapable of this.

This, Da.c, you cannot disagree with.

BTW, whose watching Eurovision? and if so, who wants to know the drinking game for it >D

I SO am! And tell me the game, I can always do it with coke or something.

Since I'm now officially on summer break, you guys can expect to see my fanfic start again soon.

I still have 2 months left T.T
And exams!
GAH I have a strong negative emotion towards school.

I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING BUT I FORGOT.

[Da14u.C]

To lay to fully counter anymore. this whole debate now bores me. just to point out a few things:

1)

And didn't you say you read everyone's zan already, hence why you said "none of ya'll can laY a finger on me". If you had to read it more indepth now, then you weren't very thorough in your understanding of others' zanpakutous, and how well you would fair against them.

ofcourse i did not read through everyone's zanpaktous. i just had confidence in my zanpaktou, that's all. also, when i said what i did, i expected replies like this:

Pfft, that's what you think...

like Zam said, not for you people to flip and go all ape-shirt on me and take it 100% seriously....
relax, i was ribbing ya'll

2)

And that first paragraph is why I am correct. Because he was not arrogant enough to think "oh, I can beat him easily!". He knew that he had to come prepared to such extremes.

Go check the dictionary. Arrogance isnt synonymous with stupid. Mayuri had nanobots inside ishida, it would have been stupid not to use that to his advantage. he is a scientist, he STUDIES things for a living, including his own battles. why on earth would he just walk into a battle unprepared? arrogance is the belief you are better than others, however, it is rarely coupled with stupidity. obnoxiousness, maybe. arrogance, no.

3)

And like you said, what fighter uses just their element? You're assuming that NL JUST uses her elemental attacks. She could just as easily use her brush as a physical weapon. Not to mention her kidou, which like I said with Arc, can be very powerful close-range.

its avery valid assumption. who on earth attacks physically with a giant paintbrush unless they have no other option? it is a last resort kind of thing.
as for kido at short range, you do realise kido requires an incantation, or at least the person saying something, so it is rarely used at short rang unless the opponent is incapacitated. show me one example where kido is used at short range without the oponent being partially or fully incapacitated. long range is long range for a reason, it can be used at a short range but needs the distance for a reason.

4)

Ehem, I have countered and argued against some of your points. Also against some details on your zanpakutou. You think of yourself as always correct, but in this club has been proof that you are not.

no comment.....

This, Da.c, you cannot disagree with.

I resent that


so, are we done attacking me?

[kusari]

its avery valid assumption. who on earth attacks physically with a giant paintbrush unless they have no other option? it is a last resort kind of thing.
as for kido at short range, you do realise kido requires an incantation, or at least the person saying something, so it is rarely used at short rang unless the opponent is incapacitated. show me one example where kido is used at short range without the oponent being partially or fully incapacitated. long range is long range for a reason, it can be used at a short range but needs the distance for a reason.

Renji & Uryu vs Szayall. Renji got close and exploded a Shakaho almost point blank.

Welcome back Dac.

I also think that I would do well against Dac. If I go bankai I can keep him at a distance redering the ablities of his shikai useless. my bankai could also blow away the poison of his bankai and maybe Air Cutter the woman's head off.


Other than that: I get out of school June 6. That means weekday updates to my fic soon.

[Lucario0708]

Walks in while drinking a Dr. Pepper, notices all the arguing

uhh... is this a bad time?

anywayz, chapter 4 is here! it introduces the story's main antagonist!

    Spoiler:- Chapter 4: "I will crush your bones into dust!":

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Flames were springing up everywhere, the whole building was collapsing, there was lava spewing all over the area.

"We've got to save him!"

"No, he'll just slow us down, we've got to leave."

"I'm not leaving him!"

A figure stepped out of the flames.

"Such is the arrogance of man, they won't leave their fallen comrades, who are most surely dead. Heh, but that is your downfall!"

A large blade sprung from the figure's hand.

"This is where you all die."

3 hours ago........

The battle with the hollows raged outside the control room, as Jaku was helping the Doctor connect some power couplings.

"So, the last time I saw you Jaku," The Doctor said. "You absorbed the TARDIS's time energy and saved me from dying. I saw you lying their, dying from the energy eating away at you. I gave you a TARDIS key, and you said, 'I'll see you again soon you crazy son of a *****!' then, you disappeared."

Jaku paused, as he plugged in some wires. "I'm not entirely sure what happened either, but I will tell you all that I know happened."

5 Years ago, inside the TARDIS, 4242 AD.

"Jaku, take this, to remember me by in this afterlife you say exists." you said.

I took the key, I saw something move, I looked over to a corner of the TARDIS, and I saw a shadowy figure, standing there, it was wearing a trench coat, it had long hair, and 4 blackish wings sprouting from it's back. I looked back up and you and said those words.

I died, or, at least, I thought I did. I woke up in a small room. There was a woman caring for me there. She was talking to a man robed in white, tall, he had blonde hair, and had a sort of regal appearance. He looked at me and smiled.

"So our strange visitor has awoken." he ceased smiling.

"What happened to me?" I said, sitting up, my whole body ached but I could take the pain.

Suddenly, I felt a sharp pain on my face.

"Rrrrrrrraaaaaaahhhhhh!" I yelled, I felt a strange power take me. I staggered to the bathroom, I looked at myself in the mirror.

In my reflection, I saw a mask over my face, it looked like a skull wearing my glasses, except flaming, the reflection spoke, but I did not feel my mouth move.***

"So the little boy decides to awake, hm?" my reflection said.

"W-who are you?"

"I am you, and you are me!"

"What happened?"

"When the TARDIS gave you it's time energy, and you died, I was born. You may call me, Kurono tamashī."

It was there where the man told me that the power I was exposed to had turned me into a visored, a human with hollow powers. I found I was in the soul society, being tended to by Golde, the head captain of the gotei 13. He had told me that they had run tests on me, for some reason, I wasn't dead, I was supposed to have died, but a "glitch" in time reversed it, really, I'm half dead. Golde asked me if I wanted to help people. I said yes. That is how I became a shinigami, and I have been one for five years.

5 Years later, present day, unknown lab.

"You are a different one, aren't you Jaku?" The Doctor said.

"Yes." Jaku said.

"Well then, I'm pretty much done, reversing the signal that's dragging hollows here, it should 'in theory' slay every hollow in the area and stop attracting them." The doctor said as he pressed a red button.

Rouga ran inside, followed by the other shinigami that joined him. "The Hollows are all dead!" He said. "We are victorious!"

Everyone cheered, but a large explosion was heard outside, and the large steel doors broke off their hinges.

Inside stepped a man, he was wearing a crimson trench coat, with long dark pants and metal boots. His hair had long bangs, and was red and came down in a five foot long ponytail. The ponytail split from hair into metal. On his head were two horns pointed backward over pointy ears. On his back was a set of four black wings. He had fingerless gloves on his hands, that had red gems set into them.*

"It can't be! It's the thing I saw in the TARDIS five years ago!" Jaku thought.

"Well well, what do we have here?" the man said in a voice similar to Jaku's, he appeared the same age as Jaku, and his voice had a small growling tone to it.

"It seems some shinigami and some crackpot in a suit have decided to crash my party, well then it looks like I just have to kill them!"

From the red jewels on the back of his hands, his fists became engulfed in flame.

"Who are you?" Jaku demanded. "I saw you in the TARDIS before i 'died'!"

"I am the angel of death, but if you want to be more specific, my name is Bureijingu Karitori, though I prefer the nickname, Zero!"

Rouga charged him with his zanpakuto.

"Shibō kasai!" Zero said. And a huge fireball was blasted at Rouga, knocking him back.

The Doctor, Amy, Rory, and River all rushed to the TARDIS and locked the doors, then disappearing. They left the shinigami to face this unknown enemy.

"Bureijinguinferuno!" Zero said, and a huge tornado of fire raged around him, engulfing the shinigami and the building in flames.

The building was in ruins, the outside was now visible, they were in a city, the crowds of people didn't seem to notice anything.

Rouga was lying on the ground, motionless, and burned. He was barely breathing.

"We have to leave him!" Kida said, as an explosion was heard behind her.

"I'm not gonna leave cap here to die!" Jaku said, grasping his squad captain's hand.

"He was my only friend in this God-forsaken underworld you call life! He was the only the one, the one who took me in, I'm not gonna let him sit here and die!"

"Jaku, he is dead!" Kida said.

"No! He can't be!" Jaku felt Rouga's wrist, there was no pulse.

Tears ran down Jaku's face. "We still have to take him, and give him a proper burial!" Jaku said.

Zero stepped out of the flames.

"Such is the arrogance of man, they won't leave their fallen comrades, who are most surely dead. Heh, but that is your downfall!"

Two large blades sprung from Zero's gems, and he started preparing for an attack.

"I won't back down."

"What?" Zero said.

"No, I won't back down. When all is gone, and everything is turned to dust, I won't back down. Because the magma in my heart burns with a righteous flame, that no one can put out. Not. Even. You." Jaku said, a strange red energy coming off of him.**

"What power is this?" Zero said.

"I'll carry on, even when the world is gone, I'll carry on!" The glasses on Jaku's face enlarged, and a flaming skull mask covered it underneath the glasses. "Bankai, Fenikkusushainingu!" Jaku's bankai armor covered his body, with his hollow mask on his face while wearing the armor.

"I'm gonna show you the power, of my true soul!"

"Pathetic human! I'll crush your bone into dust! Bankai, Bureijinguboido!" a strange crimson and black armor covered Zero, while his swords were lengthened, his horns enlarged, and his wings became more fiercer, as his face took on a horrifying reddish skull look.****

They both flew toward each other, swords raised high.

Watching the battle, was Kida, holding Rouga's lifless body, as Kida heard a very quiet "Badump. . . badump. . . badump. . ."
 

*Author's note: think Chrono from Chrono Crusade, with Dante from Devil May Cry's trench coat

**when reading this scene, start playing "Welcome to the Black Parade" by My Chemical Romance and play it until the end of this chapter

***authors note: this is what Jaku's mask looks like

****author's note: face in bankai, as well as same color cookie to whoever finds where i took this face from

I put A TON of thought into this chapter, and this thing took me two hours to type

[Ice Heart]

^ Great job Lucario!

Gonna watch the new episode of Bleach tonight. There always so good at cliffhangerz <_<.

And hello Dac. I havent met you yet. Im Ice

[Zameric]

Renji & Uryu vs Szayall. Renji got close and exploded a Shakaho almost point blank.

Not trying to take sides, but Szayel was tied up by Renji's shikai.

I think Kido is more of a mid to long range battle style.
But it can be used short range, effectively, if your skilled enough.

****author's note: face in bankai, as well as same color cookie to whoever finds where i took this face from

That's the face of Greed in Fullmetal Alchemist (Brotherhood).

Well, I finally thought of a fullbring that I LOVE. Comments/suggestions are welcome!

    Spoiler:- Fullbring<3:

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Fullbring Name: Moods of Battle

Fullbring Item: A blue sad face, (as in, circles with a face in them) on one hand, and a yellow happy face on the other.

Fullbring Activation Description: Two chains come out of either hand, and a rip opens up in the sky and earth, the happy face chain goes into the sky, the sad face goes into the earth, and they start reeling in as two beings are pulled out. A being made of pure red water comes out of the sky, extremely lithe and fast, and a constantly cracking being made of blue electricity comes out of the earth, large and sluggish. The tears close. Both are connected to my hands through the chains.

Fullbring ability: I gain the ability to take control of these two, the closer you get to the being of water, the more sluggish and depressed your thoughts and movements are, and it has the ability to move extremely fast, and it can malform it's hands into a high pressure lances or blades.

The lightning being is very large, slow, and the closer you get to him, the more irrational and hyperactive your movements and thoughts become, and your body might twitch or make random jabs or movements. It has the ability to slam down and crack or raise the earth, but no control other then that. Other then that, it's punches hit hard.
 

That's a cool and unique idea there, Blue.
Though, I'm not quite understanding what the faces are.
Are they just tattoos on your hands? Stickers?

[minchan]

GEEZ!!! You guys are writing SOOOO MUCH!!! XD XD XD

Zam, you're on summer break ALREADY? It's still spring. XD (I don't get out of high school - forever - until the end of June. It's ALWAYS been this way. And we start the very beginning of September first or second week. Always. IT SUCKS.)

*sigh*

Well I have no more exams. Took the SATs last year. (Got 740/800 on the math, my best academic subject! But got only 520 on English... 500's average.) But that just means next year my college won't put me in a super-hard English class... I hope. -.-;; I took honors English this year but only because I was put in the "smart" homeroom - everyone took the same English class in my homeroom, even if we suck at it.

Okay sorry to distract from Bleach... ^^;

Seriously though, this whole page is kinda-sorta TLDR. Sorries. XD

I'm still brainstorming a fullbring. I WILL make one. Just... not *yet*... Because I suck at coming up with ideas. This is why I haven't written any of the fanfictions I planned out since 6th grade. And I'm about to finish 12th, I think that says something about my writer's block. -.-;;

SO. I'm gonna... Go watch an episode of Bleach, LEGALLY, on Crunchyroll now. I only watch Bleach on TV or CR. I'm a good anime viewer. I support the creators. =D I even pay for my anime membership on CR. Oh actually I also watch Bleach on demand from time to time. But that's legal as well since there's commercials. =D WOOT. LEGAL AND FREE. Oh and I buy the Bleach manga whenever it's available. So yay for me doing that too. =D

[Lucario0708]

@zam: crap how did you know?

and for those who don't like crossovers, that chapter basically ended the crossover, and you should read it anyway for it's badassness

anyway, I'll be piercing the heavens if you need me

[VizardBlue]

    Spoiler:- Chapter 4: "I will crush your bones into dust!":

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Flames were springing up everywhere, the whole building was collapsing, there was lava spewing all over the area.

"We've got to save him!"

"No, he'll just slow us down, we've got to leave."

"I'm not leaving him!"

A figure stepped out of the flames.

"Such is the arrogance of man, they won't leave their fallen comrades, who are most surely dead. Heh, but that is your downfall!"

A large blade sprung from the figure's hand.

"This is where you all die."

3 hours ago........

The battle with the hollows raged outside the control room, as Jaku was helping the Doctor connect some power couplings.

"So, the last time I saw you Jaku," The Doctor said. "You absorbed the TARDIS's time energy and saved me from dying. I saw you lying their, dying from the energy eating away at you. I gave you a TARDIS key, and you said, 'I'll see you again soon you crazy son of a *****!' then, you disappeared."

Jaku paused, as he plugged in some wires. "I'm not entirely sure what happened either, but I will tell you all that I know happened."

5 Years ago, inside the TARDIS, 4242 AD.

"Jaku, take this, to remember me by in this afterlife you say exists." you said.

I took the key, I saw something move, I looked over to a corner of the TARDIS, and I saw a shadowy figure, standing there, it was wearing a trench coat, it had long hair, and 4 blackish wings sprouting from it's back. I looked back up and you and said those words.

I died, or, at least, I thought I did. I woke up in a small room. There was a woman caring for me there. She was talking to a man robed in white, tall, he had blonde hair, and had a sort of regal appearance. He looked at me and smiled.

"So our strange visitor has awoken." he ceased smiling.

"What happened to me?" I said, sitting up, my whole body ached but I could take the pain.

Suddenly, I felt a sharp pain on my face.

"Rrrrrrrraaaaaaahhhhhh!" I yelled, I felt a strange power take me. I staggered to the bathroom, I looked at myself in the mirror.

In my reflection, I saw a mask over my face, it looked like a skull wearing my glasses, except flaming, the reflection spoke, but I did not feel my mouth move.***

"So the little boy decides to awake, hm?" my reflection said.

"W-who are you?"

"I am you, and you are me!"

"What happened?"

"When the TARDIS gave you it's time energy, and you died, I was born. You may call me, Kurono tamashī."

It was there where the man told me that the power I was exposed to had turned me into a visored, a human with hollow powers. I found I was in the soul society, being tended to by Golde, the head captain of the gotei 13. He had told me that they had run tests on me, for some reason, I wasn't dead, I was supposed to have died, but a "glitch" in time reversed it, really, I'm half dead. Golde asked me if I wanted to help people. I said yes. That is how I became a shinigami, and I have been one for five years.

5 Years later, present day, unknown lab.

"You are a different one, aren't you Jaku?" The Doctor said.

"Yes." Jaku said.

"Well then, I'm pretty much done, reversing the signal that's dragging hollows here, it should 'in theory' slay every hollow in the area and stop attracting them." The doctor said as he pressed a red button.

Rouga ran inside, followed by the other shinigami that joined him. "The Hollows are all dead!" He said. "We are victorious!"

Everyone cheered, but a large explosion was heard outside, and the large steel doors broke off their hinges.

Inside stepped a man, he was wearing a crimson trench coat, with long dark pants and metal boots. His hair had long bangs, and was red and came down in a five foot long ponytail. The ponytail split from hair into metal. On his head were two horns pointed backward over pointy ears. On his back was a set of four black wings. He had fingerless gloves on his hands, that had red gems set into them.*

"It can't be! It's the thing I saw in the TARDIS five years ago!" Jaku thought.

"Well well, what do we have here?" the man said in a voice similar to Jaku's, he appeared the same age as Jaku, and his voice had a small growling tone to it.

"It seems some shinigami and some crackpot in a suit have decided to crash my party, well then it looks like I just have to kill them!"

From the red jewels on the back of his hands, his fists became engulfed in flame.

"Who are you?" Jaku demanded. "I saw you in the TARDIS before i 'died'!"

"I am the angel of death, but if you want to be more specific, my name is Bureijingu Karitori, though I prefer the nickname, Zero!"

Rouga charged him with his zanpakuto.

"Shibō kasai!" Zero said. And a huge fireball was blasted at Rouga, knocking him back.

The Doctor, Amy, Rory, and River all rushed to the TARDIS and locked the doors, then disappearing. They left the shinigami to face this unknown enemy.

"Bureijinguinferuno!" Zero said, and a huge tornado of fire raged around him, engulfing the shinigami and the building in flames.

The building was in ruins, the outside was now visible, they were in a city, the crowds of people didn't seem to notice anything.

Rouga was lying on the ground, motionless, and burned. He was barely breathing.

"We have to leave him!" Kida said, as an explosion was heard behind her.

"I'm not gonna leave cap here to die!" Jaku said, grasping his squad captain's hand.

"He was my only friend in this God-forsaken underworld you call life! He was the only the one, the one who took me in, I'm not gonna let him sit here and die!"

"Jaku, he is dead!" Kida said.

"No! He can't be!" Jaku felt Rouga's wrist, there was no pulse.

Tears ran down Jaku's face. "We still have to take him, and give him a proper burial!" Jaku said.

Zero stepped out of the flames.

"Such is the arrogance of man, they won't leave their fallen comrades, who are most surely dead. Heh, but that is your downfall!"

Two large blades sprung from Zero's gems, and he started preparing for an attack.

"I won't back down."

"What?" Zero said.

"No, I won't back down. When all is gone, and everything is turned to dust, I won't back down. Because the magma in my heart burns with a righteous flame, that no one can put out. Not. Even. You." Jaku said, a strange red energy coming off of him.**

"What power is this?" Zero said.

"I'll carry on, even when the world is gone, I'll carry on!" The glasses on Jaku's face enlarged, and a flaming skull mask covered it underneath the glasses. "Bankai, Fenikkusushainingu!" Jaku's bankai armor covered his body, with his hollow mask on his face while wearing the armor.

"I'm gonna show you the power, of my true soul!"

"Pathetic human! I'll crush your bone into dust! Bankai, Bureijinguboido!" a strange crimson and black armor covered Zero, while his swords were lengthened, his horns enlarged, and his wings became more fiercer, as his face took on a horrifying reddish skull look.****

They both flew toward each other, swords raised high.

Watching the battle, was Kida, holding Rouga's lifless body, as Kida heard a very quiet "Badump. . . badump. . . badump. . ."
 

Alright, I guess i'll do a quick review.
    Spoiler:- This won't be nice, by some standards.:

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I'll just start out with some majorminor plot holes.
First of all, you can't just give an inspirational speech then become a visored. your missing the whole battle in the center of the inner world part, and the whole if someone isn't combatting you at all times you destroy half the city and become a hollow. Your kind of missing that. Second of all, didn't you rip off Acid Ace's armor? From Megaman Starforce 3? .=. You wouldn't be able to see the mask in the first place. You can only use one hand, since he y'know, has a buster in the other. Next, if you "Died" and then a glitch in time reversed it to the point that your just a skeleton, it just doesn't work. Your kind of missing a nervous system. and a brain. Y'know, that important thing up in your head. And to be honest, i can't make two cents of the plot. And i'd suggest stop ripping off the coolest things you can find off animes and video games. It's getting annoying, to be honest.