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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrohs View Post
    I didn't know people actually used or cared about Swapnote. It was so clunky to begin with I only used it once or twice.
    Same. The (very) limited ink supply turned me off it fairly quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFonz View Post
    Okay seriously, why are people mad at Nintendo for this? You see there are CONSEQUENCES to actions people.
    Because everyone is getting punished, regardless of what they did, I'm sure most of the poeple complaining were not involved in that sort of thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobandbill View Post
    ^ Given we were already discussing it in the 3DS thread, I merged yours with it.
    The deal is, if Nintendo are going to continue to set themselves up as family friendly, they can't just turn a blind eye to this. If people are sending distasteful - or worse - images to kids, then if they allowed it that could be a bit of hot water they'd land in. It's not caving in to 'whiny soccer mums', which seems a rather assumptive statement to make tbh, especially when you don't know the nature or frequency of these messages in the first place.

    I think a better complaint is why don't they have a better system in place in which they can ban the individuals easier, so that they don't have to effectively make the whole system moot because of a few sick people. I doubt many people use it for streetpass only after all. I don't think other consoles have had these problems, but correct me if I am wrong. Again, maybe we'll get the Miiverse soon which'll be a step up anyway, but this decision is not well received right now.
    Thank you. There's even people who complain on Miiverse when they get banned for disobeying rules. It sucks that they have to take down the whole thing for everyone, but they don't have much choice if the naughty pictures were that big of a problem. Couldn't they make a new version of it that would be better suited with blocking and banning? Besides Miiverse will be out soon like bobandbill said, you're pretty much doing the same thing but with more stuff to do

    I bet most of the people complaining and making this a big deal don't even use Swapnote. I do feel very sorry for people who were using it correctly, but sometimes the good guys have to suffer, especially when there's no other way to discipline the bad guys individually




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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFonz View Post
    Okay seriously, why are people mad at Nintendo for this? You see there are CONSEQUENCES to actions people. If you do something bad, then people will correct you. I'm pretty sure 2 year olds know this.
    Except that probably 99% of people didn't do anything bad. I haven't even heard of this issue until now. Was anything said before on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobandbill View Post
    The deal is, if Nintendo are going to continue to set themselves up as family friendly, they can't just turn a blind eye to this. If people are sending distasteful - or worse - images to kids, then if they allowed it that could be a bit of hot water they'd land in. It's not caving in to 'whiny soccer mums', which seems a rather assumptive statement to make tbh, especially when you don't know the nature or frequency of these messages in the first place.

    I think a better complaint is why don't they have a better system in place in which they can ban the individuals easier, so that they don't have to effectively make the whole system moot because of a few sick people. I doubt many people use it for streetpass only after all. I don't think other consoles have had these problems, but correct me if I am wrong. Again, maybe we'll get the Miiverse soon which'll be a step up anyway, but this decision is not well received right now.
    First, the forums had some issues with young members and "distasteful" requests. I will never ever go in to details about this, and neither will SPP staff. Which may explain I can see why Nintendo have stopped this service, better than most. Also one of the biggest draw for 3DS FC swapping has appeared recently. It's quite easy for someone to find a impressionable young person and take photos of things. The 3ds has several Cameras built in, so all the hardware is already there. Since I am not aware of any other means of reading messages other than having the 3DS(es) than the Message was sent to. Parental Controls basicly turns on or off Swapnote/Letter Box functionality. You couldn't get the message with a Photo attached on another device. Miiverse being more public and able to be shown on 100inch Screens* where the whole family can see, it should limit the people who use this for questionable things.

    I'd think the Swapnote/Letter Box service was planning to be reduced or stopped given that they announce in July 2012 to start using MiiVerse 3DS this year.

    *The space A 100 inch screen needs is actually bigger than most bed rooms walls.

    EDIT: Oh, we've had to the same, we used to have a few areas where you didn't post in the "forums", but we had to turn it off because of the behaviour of a 0.1% forum users.
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    So it's okay to let your kid call someone a n****** or craker or use profanity that's apparently okay.
    But when boobs and p**** are suddenly appearing on your kids 3DS, that's apparently a no no...
    Funny enough when I researched into this topic CNN was having a discussion on child porno on their cellphones and posting them on via Instagram and Twitter. Coincidence? Probably haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBattleFrontierAsh1 View Post
    So it's okay to let your kid call someone a n****** or craker or use profanity that's apparently okay.
    But when boobs and p**** are suddenly appearing on your kids 3DS, that's apparently a no no...
    Funny enough when I researched into this topic CNN was having a discussion on child porno on their cellphones and posting them on via Instagram and Twitter. Coincidence? Probably haha.
    If an older person is sending young children pictures of their private areas, then yes it is much more serious than insulting words




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    Fanboys on Swapnote's introduction: Swapnote friggin' sucks.

    Fanboys on Swapnote's demise: OMG! They took away Swapnote. This is Nintendo's worst move yet.

    Exaggeration? Slightly, but the point is, the removal of a generally small feature will produce little consequences, since the fanboys will gripe either way.

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    The video game shorts should be already downloaded to your Nintendo Video apps.

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    Uh... Well, that was kind of lame. They just basically use the video game itself to make videos using different angles.
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    Kind of a shame about swapnote. Oh well.


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    This problem is SOOOOOOO easily solved - remove the 'put in your own photo' option, and make it so you can only send drawings and in-game pics (Like Animal Crossing and X&Y)!

    Was that really so hard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomatohater View Post
    This problem is SOOOOOOO easily solved - remove the 'put in your own photo' option, and make it so you can only send drawings and in-game pics (Like Animal Crossing and X&Y)!

    Was that really so hard?
    Drawings are probably still within the no-no territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomatohater View Post
    This problem is SOOOOOOO easily solved - remove the 'put in your own photo' option, and make it so you can only send drawings and in-game pics (Like Animal Crossing and X&Y)!

    Was that really so hard?
    Drawings can still be offensive in the wrong hands.
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    You guys are missing the point here. It's not that adults were sending nudes to kids, or that adults were sending nudes to each other, it's that adults were sending nudes OF CHILDREN to each other.

    It was being used as a way for pedophiles to swap child porn. Not even joking, there's a somewhat big case that was apparently brought to Nintendo's attention in Japan that caused them to have to stop this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye721 View Post
    Because everyone is getting punished, regardless of what they did, I'm sure most of the poeple complaining were not involved in that sort of thing
    It's like a teacher who sees one bad kid and makes the whole class stay in for recess
    Not to mention, it really comes off as blaming the customer, which is the number one no-no in business. Sure, that might not be the intention here, but that's how people take it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clamps View Post
    You guys are missing the point here. It's not that adults were sending nudes to kids, or that adults were sending nudes to each other, it's that adults were sending nudes OF CHILDREN to each other.

    It was being used as a way for pedophiles to swap child porn. Not even joking, there's a somewhat big case that was apparently brought to Nintendo's attention in Japan that caused them to have to stop this.
    And this brings me to my next point. They should have had security and filter measures in place for that kind of stuff from day one. That kind of stuff happens online all the time, so I'm not entirely sure what they were expecting there.

    Look, I really could care less about Swapnote. In fact, if it wasn't for this article, I wouldn't even know what the thing was. But at the end of the day, blaming customers for decisions your business has control over, even if you mean well, can and will lead to fallout.
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    If I'm not mistaken, Swapnote acts similarly to email, only that it's on a 3DS. That being said, Swapnote is essentially sending photographs to people. The only way to really filter and/or monitor photographs is to have someone look through the millions of swapnotes being sent out each day and determine if it's offensive material or not. The problem is that it's not efficient to use this kind of manual labor for such a trivial application. Plus, what one person finds offensive, might not for another, not to mention people can find ways to bypass the human resources looking at pictures.

    You can't exactly block users from using swapnote either, as it is free software anyone can download. You could try to block certain friend codes from sending out Swapnotes but where would you exactly start? You can't just go around to everyone who has a 3DS and internet access and barge down their door to look at what their habits are and monitoring notes as I said before is just a waste of money.

    Honestly, the blame does fall on to the customer for using what was supposed to be a free and family-friendly application into a tool to send pornography (Why couldn't they just stick to regular email is my main question). However, I do agree it is not the fault of the whole customer base, just a select few. I feel that Nintendo acted accordingly, but it was not the most desirable solution. Perhaps a new application will come out that acts similarly to swapnote but have better protective measures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    And this brings me to my next point. They should have had security and filter measures in place for that kind of stuff from day one. That kind of stuff happens online all the time, so I'm not entirely sure what they were expecting there.

    Look, I really could care less about Swapnote. In fact, if it wasn't for this article, I wouldn't even know what the thing was. But at the end of the day, blaming customers for decisions your business has control over, even if you mean well, can and will lead to fallout.
    Do you realize how hard it is to make some sort of software that recognizes a picture as containing/being child pornography, and filter that? Blaming the customer here is 100% okay, because it's the customer's fault for abusing this free service.


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    OK, on a different note, I'm looking for a Dragon Safari with either Sliggoo or Dragonair. If you have a Safari with one or both of these, please PM me with your Friend Code. I will respond with mine so we can add each other.

    And as far as the Swapnote thing goes, I'm kinda' glad they took it down. I mean, it makes me sick to think that people would use a video game app (made by NINTENDO, the world's most kid-friendly game company, nonetheless!) for this kind of sick stuff. At least Nintendo was nice enough to offer a sincere apology to the customers who didn't do anything wrong and explain in very straighforward terms as to why they took down Swapnote. Besides, I have a feeling that, as we speak, they're busy putting in auto-filters and content censors so they can put it back online and not have people use it for fapping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrohs View Post
    Do you realize how hard it is to make some sort of software that recognizes a picture as containing/being child pornography, and filter that? Blaming the customer here is 100% okay, because it's the customer's fault for abusing this free service.
    Blaming the consumer for anything your company decides to do is never a viable option, and it never ends well. Even if there was no alternative to shutting it down (which I find hard to believe), they could have given just about any other reason for discontinuing it. They could have said it was due to security concerns, and I would have bought that reason. Saying it the way they said it, this is what it tells me as a consumer, 'Hmm... Nintendo doesn't trust me with the product that I bought from them with my own money.'.

    If you make the consumer feel like you don't trust them, then why should they keep doing business with you?

    If you want a good example of what happens to companies that take the approach of blaming their customer base, look no further than Capcom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    Blaming the consumer for anything your company decides to do is never a viable option, and it never ends well. Even if there was no alternative to shutting it down (which I find hard to believe), they could have given just about any other reason for discontinuing it. They could have said it was due to security concerns, and I would have bought that reason. Saying it the way they said it, this is what it tells me as a consumer, 'Hmm... Nintendo doesn't trust me with the product that I bought from them with my own money.'. If you make the consumer feel like you don't trust them, then why would they in their right mind keep doing business with you?
    There were other options, but it's a free service. No one bought it, they made no money, spending money on development would make no sense. They said they were shutting it down, and gave an exact reason why. They did everything right, they were completely open with the reason that it was getting shut down. No ********, just facts. This is how companies should be run these days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrohs View Post
    There were other options, but it's a free service. No one bought it, they made no money, spending money on development would make no sense. They said they were shutting it down, and gave an exact reason why. They did everything right, they were completely open with the reason that it was getting shut down. No ********, just facts. This is how companies should be run these days.
    Exactly. You could not be any more correct.

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    Just like Hydrohs said. It was a free service, you didn't pay for it.
    There's really no big loss as a consumer. Could this whole situation have been differently? Probably.
    Am I mad? No because again I didn't pay to use it nor was I one of the people abusing it. I'll just delete the app and go on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruinnor View Post
    I am completely fine with the new 3DS, but what I AM concerned about is how it is a money-making gimmick. They gave a little stupid thing on the side of the 3DS game so it won't fit in a normal DS and people would have to bye another DS system. Stupid I say.
    The 3DS is a completely different device to the DS in terms of functionality. It would be like trying to put a Wii disc in a GameCube - it doesn't matter that the 3DS looks and plays similar to a DS, a 3DS game simply wouldn't work on a DS even if the tab wasn't there. They use different programming - while the 3DS has been made to use the DS's programming so old games work, the DS cannot understand the data on a 3DS game. The tab isn't for moneymaking in order to make you get a new console for a game that would work otherwise, it's a reminder that the game just isn't made for an older handheld.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruinnor View Post
    I am completely fine with the new 3DS, but what I AM concerned about is how it is a money-making gimmick. They gave a little stupid thing on the side of the 3DS game so it won't fit in a normal DS and people would have to bye another DS system. Stupid I say.
    Well, don't forget that the newer games, such as the Wii U and 3DS games, have more...how shall I put it...storage space, room to work with. They expand each time the new consoles come out, and for that reason, they keep having better graphics, more variety, all these kinds of things. The previous systems weren't designed, and are not capable, of performing and playing games at this level, so they need to do something in order to make sure nobody will ever be able to try such a thing.


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