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    Default OU Threat List

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    Aerodactyl

    Type:
    Ability:Pressure
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    Azelf

    Type:
    Ability:Levitate
        Spoiler:- Azelf:


    Blissey

    Type:
    Ability:Natural Cure/Serene Grace
        Spoiler:- Blissey:


    Breloom

    Type:
    Ability:Poison Heal/Effect Spore
        Spoiler:- Breloom:


    Bronzong

    Type:
    Ability:Levitate/Heatproof
        Spoiler:- Bronzong:


    Celebi

    Type:
    Ability:Natural Cure
        Spoiler:- Celebi:


    Dragonite

    Type:
    Ability:Inner Focus
        Spoiler:- Dragonite:


    Dusknoir

    Type:
    Ability:Pressure
        Spoiler:- Dusknoir:


    Electivire

    Type:
    Ability:Motor Drive
        Spoiler:- Electivire:


    Empoleon

    Type:
    Ability:Torrent
        Spoiler:- Empoleon:


    Flygon

    Type:
    Ability:Levitate
        Spoiler:- Flygon:


    Forretress

    Type:
    Ability:Sturdy
        Spoiler:- Forretress:


    Gengar

    Type:
    Ability:Levitate
        Spoiler:- Gengar:


    Gliscor

    Type:
    Ability:Sand Veil/Hyper Cutter
        Spoiler:- Gliscor:


    Gyarados

    Type:
    Ability:Intimidate
        Spoiler:- Gyarados:


    Heatran

    Type:
    Ability:Flash Fire
        Spoiler:- Heatran:
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    So far this looks very good and well written. Few grammatical errors that I could see, and most pokemon you listed had been accurately described and countered. I look forward to seeing the conclusion to this.
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    Heracross

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    Ability:Guts/Swarm
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    Hippowdon

    Type:
    Ability:Sand Stream
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    Infernape

    Type:
    Ability:Blaze
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    Jirachi

    Type:
    Ability:Serene Grace
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    This should be a sticky
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    I agree, this is very comprehensive and it'll help with both creating and rating teams for the OU metagame. My compliments!
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    Just pointing out a couple of things.
    Gyarados can be used as a lead, even if it does not stand out as one of it's most useful sets nor one of the most useful leads.
    As for dusknoir, adding heatran to the counters list is not the wisest choice, only those who carry shuca berry are good counters, since EQ is the most used move for him. Same goes to houndoom.
    Gengar, is also a good lead, even tough since hypnosis' accuracy being lower, it has lost part of its effectiveness.
    Dragonite is not that bad as a lead, it's one incredible anti lead. You pointed azelf can explode once it sets up SR, however, dragonite got ES, so he does not have the time to explode. He takes down swampert with DM, if he is against metagross, a simple variation in the EVs can change everything. Adding just 8 EVs into speed makes standart lead dragonite faster than standart lead metagross, so it is possible to 2HKO with EQ, and if it is not holding occa berry, OHKO with fire blast.
    I think thats all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pastel View Post
    Gyarados can be used as a lead, even if it does not stand out as one of it's most useful sets nor one of the most useful leads.
    So you're saying Gyarados is a bad lead. If I am to be as general as I can about each threat I have to cover a little bit but not all of it. Since you agree that it is not only poorly suited to lead but it is also a bad lead set, then there is no point bringing it up. Every Pokemon in OU can lead, I don't see the point of listing all of them when those who do it exceptionally better are more common and thus deserve to be mentioned as a threat. The lead %'s are so widespread I find little use in going over each possible candidate who can lead.
    Quote Originally Posted by pastel View Post
    As for dusknoir, adding heatran to the counters list is not the wisest choice, only those who carry shuca berry are good counters, since EQ is the most used move for him. Same goes to houndoom.
    Earthquake is used on 37% of all Dusknoir, being used about as much as Shadow Sneak, which pales in comparison to Will-O-Wisp and Pain Split, both which reside in the low 70's. Simply put, Earthquake is not Dusknoir's most used move. Seeing as how Will-O-Wisp is used on 71% of all sets and only 9% use the other dangerous move, Focus Punch, I wouldn't make the assumption Heatran and Houndoom aren't counter measures for dealing with Dusknoir.
    Quote Originally Posted by pastel View Post
    Gengar, is also a good lead, even tough since hypnosis' accuracy being lower, it has lost part of its effectiveness.
    See Gyarados. If it's not in the top 20 I don't see the need to list it as a lead threat.
    Quote Originally Posted by pastel View Post
    Dragonite is not that bad as a lead, it's one incredible anti lead. You pointed azelf can explode once it sets up SR, however, dragonite got ES, so he does not have the time to explode. He takes down swampert with DM, if he is against metagross, a simple variation in the EVs can change everything. Adding just 8 EVs into speed makes standart lead dragonite faster than standart lead metagross, so it is possible to 2HKO with EQ, and if it is not holding occa berry, OHKO with fire blast.
    I think thats all.
    First, I believe you mean the word 'standard' on several points in this argument. Second, please do tell me where I had listed Dragonite as a non-suitable anti-lead. It is between 15-20 in the most used leads and thus deserved a mention. Which I gave. Thirdly, I hope you realize 8 Speed Dragonite ties standard 8 Speed Metagross.


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    I am glad you all think this is helpful. Though I am a bit tied up and will be for a little bit, I will keep adding a new threat (alphabetically of course) every once in a while.
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    Seems good so far, but I would remove the "lead" ratings. Seriously Dragonite, Forretress and Bronzong as "ONE" star leads? Dragonite absolutely rapes literally ALL leads with some combo of items and moves. Forretress sets up on Swampert, Skarmory, Metagross and wipes Aerodactyl out with Gyro Ball + Rapid Spin. Bronzong isn't the BEST, but does well against pretty much everything that lacks a STAB Fire move and even then it will survive one depending on its EVs and just set up Trick Room or whatever. It does sort of suck as a non lead, but isn't terrible at that either. Set up rocks and blow up. Maybe wall some things and kill Salamence too.

    Your descriptions are fantastic, but I would "balance" the stars thing a little. Aerodactyl two star non-lead while Dusknoir only one star? Ok yeah Aerodactyl is a pretty solid Roost / Taunter in sand due to its ability to revenge kill and annihilate most Heatran but Dusknoir is a pretty decent tank. EQ / Ice Punch / Will-O-Wisp is pretty hard to switch in on. Heracross one star? Its not THAT bad of a Scarfer.

    Eh mostly nitpicks. I'm not so sure Heatran is only a two star lead when Gliscor is a 4 when Gliscor has to U-turn out of most threats while running Taunt and then be forced to drop one of Stealth Rocks / Earthquake or Roost.


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    Rhys was pointing out the usage. As a result, it is graded by formula, not opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calze6 View Post
    Rhys was pointing out the usage. As a result, it is graded by formula, not opinion.
    Perhaps I should make that more clear, though I thought the section title of 'Usage' would say it enough. The star rating system is determined upon the threats current shoddy stats, not on how good the Pokemon actually is. This does a better job at preparing someone for the tier in my mind.
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    In which case its fine. IGNORE ME

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    Hi I´m not good at rating and all that sort of thing, but strongar has become pretty popular, and scizor, weavile, scarf ttar... fear at HP fire/focus blast because he has a sub. I´d suggest you to add in counters, dual screen jirachi/heatproof sassy bronzong, (I mean with a heavy investments) because 252hp/172spD zong takes ~45 % from HP fire (I cant beleive I´m calling it a counter)

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    Woa. now I'm scared XD lol
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    I managed to nab a bit of time to work on this. A few updates: three more threats added and the rest of the guide has been updated with April's statistics.
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    Pastel!!!

    You can post in succinct statements and correct english now!!!!!!!

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    Looks like a very good guide Rhys, looks like you can't leave Pokemon alone, huh.
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    Mmhmm....should help those wanting to make good OU teams...
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    i think suicune should be on this list. corcune sweeps if ur opp. doesnt have a water absorb poke, and the timid cune set is beast as well (;

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    So, my infernape is:
    Item: Expert Belt
    EV: 252 HP + ATK
    Moves:
    Swords Dance
    Flare Blitz
    Close Combat
    Stone Edge

    Should I have Earthquake in place for Swords Dance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JZ2DLimit View Post
    So, my infernape is:
    Item: Expert Belt
    EV: 252 HP + ATK
    Moves:
    Swords Dance
    Flare Blitz
    Close Combat
    Stone Edge

    Should I have Earthquake in place for Swords Dance?
    Yes, yes you should.

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    All of them are so cute. I wish I would have them all.

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