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    Did I miss something? Ash just got Gible in the dub this last week. That means the finals of the Grand Festival won't air in USA for over 4 months. That means in September, Ash and Gible will *still* be training Draco Meteor? What's taking so long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runty View Post
    This might sound petty of me, but I'm gonna come out and say it anyways: would it kill the writers to let a main character WIN a grand tourney at least ONCE? Seriously, EVERY SINGLE TIME, Ash and co end up losing and forfeit the win to someone else. Can't the writers let them taste total victory at least once? Or is that some sort of taboo in anime these days?

    (Oh, and I don't count Ash's victory at the Orange Islands as a grand tourney win. He only had to fight one opponent in that, not several.)

    I REALLY hope they don't repeat this in Ash's next tournament. I know the likelihood is about 99.99% due to some rule, but I honestly think they should just let Ash WIN FOR ONCE. Jeez...

    And if they can't do that, at least don't have Ash take it in stride when he loses this time! I want to see some frustration; that'd be more HUMAN of him, not adhering to some anime cliche.

    Who else agrees with me?

    This. Quoted for truth.

    I am very annoyed myself that the writer didn't let Dawn win, and I think it was an immense injustice to Dawn's character. I have nothing against Zoey, and I think she's a terrific Coordinator, but... seriously, it was only fair that Dawn could win this. After all the hardships, training, sadness and learned lessons, she deserved nothing less than the first place.

    And I am even more annoyed that Dawn took her defeat in stride. It's as if she was aware that the writers wouldn't let her win and she'd have to content herself with whatever little was left for her. Really, Dawn's character and her hard work to better herself has been spat on.

    Seriously, do the producers think we ENJOY seeing such beloved characters fail every single time? Even worse when they make Ash forget all the basics just so they can contrive a loss...

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    Quick question: Can anyone tell me the name of the track that plays from when piplup hydropumps glameow off of togekiss up to when dawn commands the peck-sky attack combo?

    (also the name of the track that follows would be nice)

    EDIT: apparently, the latter track is "kimi no soba de" but im more interested in the track that comes right before it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cauldronmaster View Post
    Quick question: Can anyone tell me the name of the track that plays from when piplup hydropumps glameow off of togekiss up to when dawn commands the peck-sky attack combo?

    (also the name of the track that follows would be nice)

    EDIT: apparently, the latter track is "kimi no soba de" but im more interested in the track that comes right before it.
    The song that plays when Piplup uses Hydro Pump is Kimi no soba de, like you said, which is Dawn's theme. The song that plays when Zoey wins is "Pokémon Symphonic Medley 2" which features most of the DP songs, in an orcharisture (sorry for spelling there) style. I found this on youtube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z6lErQOpEE
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    Can someone tell me what eeee kay means? Its that thing that dawn says around the peck and sky attack combo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso View Post
    There isn't one in the intro because they want to surprise us. They're thinking "OK guys, what do the fans who watch Pokemon want MOST of all from the upcoming League?"

    The answer, of course, is a generic League Rival introduced JUST before the tournament that will somehow steal the spotlight from Paul, Barry, Nando and Conway!

    However they can't reveal it just yet. They want us to let our guards down. They want us to think they've changed by introducing four trainers that would eventually go on to face Ash in the League as opposed to Last Second Rival-son.

    I won't rest though. I'll be waiting, and if he does appear, which he will I'll be ready to jump out and punch him in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eevee7ways View Post
    Can someone tell me what eeee kay means? Its that thing that dawn says around the peck and sky attack combo.
    Ike means Go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingMinun View Post
    The song that plays when Piplup uses Hydro Pump is Kimi no soba de, like you said, which is Dawn's theme. The song that plays when Zoey wins is "Pokémon Symphonic Medley 2" which features most of the DP songs, in an orcharisture (sorry for spelling there) style. I found this on youtube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z6lErQOpEE
    Thank you, but it would appear that I was a little unclear with my question:

    I meant to ask about the name of the track that plays right before kimi no soba plays. If its nameless, then i'm going to assume its a remix of the gsc credits theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cauldronmaster View Post
    Thank you, but it would appear that I was a little unclear with my question:

    I meant to ask about the name of the track that plays right before kimi no soba plays. If its nameless, then i'm going to assume its a remix of the gsc credits theme.
    Oh its called as long I as hold my breath, and its from Movie 9.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VSix...eature=related
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingMinun View Post
    Oh its called as long I as hold my breath, and its from Movie 9.
    Here;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VSix...eature=related
    YES! this is the one i was looking for

    This song not only did a great job at encompassing the magnitude of the Grand Festival Finals (conceptually, at least), it made an amazing prelude to the final clash sequence (Super Sky Attack vs Electro Vaccum Wave). In addition, the regalness of the song fit well with Togekiss's graceful movements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sceptile lover View Post

    There is a difference between Ash, May and Dawn. Dawn can't win too much consecutively. She has to lose once after some minimum wins.
    Sure there may be a difference between Ash and Dawn now, but you need to consider that this is Ash's fourth region. Back in Ash's first region he lost nearly every gym battle. He only won three of the 8 by battling and all three of those were one on one battles. Wonder how he would have fared had Surge, Koga, and Blaine used the standard three on three rule. Even if those wins are justified in your eyes, that's still only three out of eight. Less than half. At least Dawn actually won all five of her ribbons fairly.

    As for May, I tend to consider the "main" and "secondary" rivals at a higher level than these random character of the days. The characters they give more emphasis to and establish as a major threat. Most of May's ribbons were earned by defeating CoTDs they may not have even had any other ribbons. Timmy Grime certainly didn't and none of the others she defeated (aside from Harley) even made it to the Grand Festival. Each of Dawn's victories were impressive.

    - Kenny may have lost in the appeals of the GF, but at least he made it that far. That's more than could be said for the likes of Timmy Grime, the Rocker guy, the Medicham lady, and the others.

    - May was a coordinator that had already entered two GFs. I don't want to hear how it was DEM because no one ever gives a good explanation as to how or why it was DEM. People have won with newly evolved pokemon before. In fact, Ursula past an appeal where two of her Eevees had evolved right on the spot. If she knew enough about her new pokemon to pass an appeal that quickly, why couldn't May learn more about Glaceon on the way to the Lake Resort?

    - Ursula also made it to the Grand Festival.

    - And Lila was a coordinator that defeated Dawn's mother at one point. Probably the least impressive of Dawn's victories, but at least her backstory gives her some merit over most of the people that May defeated to earn her ribbons.

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    I think Thunderblade sums up pretty well at why Dawn deserved to make it this far.
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    The reason they had Dawn get in second was to show she had become skilled as a coordinator, to make up for the 5 contest losses she had.

    Also, probably because we're not going to see her get a second GF. They had May come in the Top 8 in the Hoenn GF because they knew they were going to give her a second one where she would increase to Top 4, but since Dawn is only here for one region, they could have her get a high rank right away.

    If Sinnoh was shorter and they did another filler arc, Dawn would have gotten two contest arcs. But since they stretched Sinnoh over the course of 200 episodes, she only got 1.

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    Dawn should have won that match, because there were several times where zoey didnt lose points when she should have. When togekiss, and piplup, dodged gallade's attack twice, zoey's points remained the same.

    Also when Dawn launched the aura sphere/bubblebeam combo, zoey should have lost points, because in the nando vs zoey fight, nando lost points when zoey launched the energy ball/shock wave combo

    If were to factor in those lost points, zoey would have lost

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    I wanted Dawn to won this, specially if she is leaving the cast. Would it really matter if she did? Overall the battle wasn't that great either.

    I'm wondering what's the meaning of Jessie throwing away her disguise, and Dawn, and contest in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderblade12 View Post
    Sure there may be a difference between Ash and Dawn now, but you need to consider that this is Ash's fourth region. Back in Ash's first region he lost nearly every gym battle. He only won three of the 8 by battling and all three of those were one on one battles. Wonder how he would have fared had Surge, Koga, and Blaine used the standard three on three rule. Even if those wins are justified in your eyes, that's still only three out of eight. Less than half. At least Dawn actually won all five of her ribbons fairly.
    I think you weren't watching Pokemon Anime back then and only read the summary of these episodes. Ash's only loss back then were against Brock and Blaine and possibly Sabrina(if you call that official). Dawn didn't won some of her ribbons fairly.

    As for May, I tend to consider the "main" and "secondary" rivals at a higher level than these random character of the days. The characters they give more emphasis to and establish as a major threat. Most of May's ribbons were earned by defeating CoTDs they may not have even had any other ribbons. Timmy Grime certainly didn't and none of the others she defeated (aside from Harley) even made it to the Grand Festival. Each of Dawn's victories were impressive.

    - Kenny may have lost in the appeals of the GF, but at least he made it that far. That's more than could be said for the likes of Timmy Grime, the Rocker guy, the Medicham lady, and the others.
    Any proofs that those people didn't made it to the GF? And overall they seemed more powerful than most of Dawn's rivals except Zoey(for obvious reason).
    Most of Dawn's victories were plot device.

    - May was a coordinator that had already entered two GFs. I don't want to hear how it was DEM because no one ever gives a good explanation as to how or why it was DEM. People have won with newly evolved pokemon before. In fact, Ursula past an appeal where two of her Eevees had evolved right on the spot. If she knew enough about her new pokemon to pass an appeal that quickly, why couldn't May learn more about Glaceon on the way to the Lake Resort?
    First of all, the battle wasn't DEM it was just cheap. And if you thought that May would win the Wallace Cup against Dawn in such circumstance then I can only feel sorry for you.
    As for cheapness, I would say my same point again. Piplup goes underwater and its paralysis is gone. Thats what we call cheap. Although there were many more fluke stuff in there I find above one the cheapest as for that battle.

    - And Lila was a coordinator that defeated Dawn's mother at one point. Probably the least impressive of Dawn's victories, but at least her backstory gives her some merit over most of the people that May defeated to earn her ribbons.

    /Opinion.
    Giving her a back story doesn't make her better than any of May's contest only rival. She never appeared again so she was only worse than them cause there are chances that she never won a GF after so many years of coordinating.
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    Sorry Sceptile lover, but do you even see what you type? Dawn won most of her ribbons because it was a plot device? Um All victories are Plot Devices!

    Piplup going underwater to stop paralysis is a great idea and in no way cheap. To get rid of electricity you could always use water.

    Will just shut it, the Princess of Hoenn's time has gone, and you really need to stop bashing Dawn, you sound so pathetic. This is not a thread for bashing Dawn, and comparing her to May. This is to discuss the last episode of GF
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    Out of being board I came back in here and I what do you know, Sceptile lover is still attacking Dawn's character. Seriously get over it you hate Dawn, we know, you hate contest (or at least hers) we know, you try to degrade her character and basically say she's crap in the series, we know. I am amused you hate Dawn and her 'cheapness' when your boy Ash is the cheapest character in the entire series of Pokemon by your standards. This is a thread about the episode of Dawn vs Zoey not 'Dawn sucks because all her achievements are plot devices and you hate her.'

    Also the writers have been pulling the water eliminates paralysis since the Kanto days when Staryu cured itself from stun spore, don't blame Dawn for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sceptile lover View Post
    Dawn didn't won some of her ribbons fairly.
    Like which one? Care to give proof? Because as far as I remember all of her ribbons were won fairly. The only thing I consider cheap about Dawn was the battle against Ursula. Her journey and they way she earned her ribbons was completely fair.


    Most of Dawn's victories were plot device.
    Most of everyone's victories are for plot devices. That's why this is a TV show. Losses and wins are done for a purpose, to advance or finish a plot. To explain something, to make the character's learn, to advance their journey, etc. Ganging up on Dawn just because her wins " were plot device" doesn't make sense.


    Everything comes off as you finding the little and stupidest excuse to make Dawn look bad. You can say you don't hate her, but each and everyone of your posts regarding her come off as biased excuses to say negative things about her character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingMinun View Post
    Sorry Sceptile lover, but do you even see what you type? Dawn won most of her ribbons because it was a plot device? Um All victories are Plot Devices!

    Piplup going underwater to stop paralysis is a great idea and in no way cheap. To get rid of electricity you could always use water.

    Will just shut it, the Princess of Hoenn's time has gone, and you really need to stop bashing Dawn, you sound so pathetic. This is not a thread for bashing Dawn, and comparing her to May. This is to discuss the last episode of GF
    Now when did I bashed Dawn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    Out of being board I came back in here and I what do you know, Sceptile lover is still attacking Dawn's character. Seriously get over it you hate Dawn, we know, you hate contest (or at least hers) we know, you try to degrade her character and basically say she's crap in the series, we know. I am amused you hate Dawn and her 'cheapness' when your boy Ash is the cheapest character in the entire series of Pokemon by your standards. This is a thread about the episode of Dawn vs Zoey not 'Dawn sucks because all her achievements are plot devices and you hate her.'
    I wasn't even going to return to this thread but then one of Dawn's fanboy(in his hate mail that is) told me that ThunderBlade has quoted my post so I came back with some proofs.

    Also the writers have been pulling the water eliminates paralysis since the Kanto days when Staryu cured itself from stun spore, don't blame Dawn for that.
    Actually some things look better against TR but when it is a official battle it always looks cheap. But when did that happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dax View Post
    Most of everyone's victories are for plot devices. That's why this is a TV show. Losses and wins are done for a purpose, to advance or finish a plot. To explain something, to make the character's learn, to advance their journey, etc. Ganging up on Dawn just because her wins " were plot device" doesn't make sense.


    Everything comes off as you finding the little and stupidest excuse to make Dawn look bad. You can say you don't hate her, but each and everyone of your posts regarding her come off as biased excuses to say negative things about her character.
    Which ones of Ash's Sinnoh gym win was plot device so far? Roark's first battle was plot device but Ash didn't won a badge then. And when it starts raining in third gym looks a fair plot device. I know last gym is plot device but at least most of his Johto, AG and Sinnoh gym badges weren't plot devices. Two out of eight gym is plot device while three out of five of Dawn's ribbon were plot device. First one was Wallace Cup then the ribbon against Lila and then the first ribbon against Ursula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sceptile lover View Post
    Now when did I bashed Dawn?



    I wasn't even going to return to this thread but then one of Dawn's fanboy(in his hate mail that is) told me that ThunderBlade has quoted my post so I came back with some proofs.



    Actually some things look better against TR but when it is a official battle it always looks cheap. But when did that happened?



    Which ones of Ash's Sinnoh gym win was plot device so far? Roark's first battle was plot device but Ash didn't won a badge then. And when it starts raining in third gym looks a fair plot device. I know last gym is plot device but at least most of his Johto, AG and Sinnoh gym badges weren't plot devices. Two out of eight gym is plot device while three out of five of Dawn's ribbon were plot device. First one was Wallace Cup then the ribbon against Lila and then the first ribbon against Ursula.

    I am not hoping to return to this thread so please tell me if you quote me.

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    I don't see the big deal of bringing this up now. Dawn's arc, for the most part, is over.

    What happened is already in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    I don't see the big deal of bringing this up now. Dawn's arc, for the most part, is over.

    What happened is already in the past.
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    I'm not surprised that Zoey won, but I was actually hoping that Dawn would win. Even if she did it would seem unrealistic for a first-timer at a Grand Festival. Zoey has always been a few steps ahead of Dawn, and is shown in this episode. Dawn did very well with her pokemon, and was only beaten by a mere vertical slit.

    Overall it's an excellent episode for sure!
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    I think that overall, this was one of the best episodes of Sinnoh. Sure, they could have tried to make it better then Zoey vs. Nando, but Zoey and Dawn have a different relationship than Zoey and Nando. I think there was some hidden anger from the last time they fought, and it fueled their battle. That could be why it was a bit more passionate.

    With Zoey winning over Dawn, (Surprise, Surprise), you could look at this as a foreshadowing of what might happen for Ash in the League. If the writers did it once, they'll surely do it again. I think it will be Ash vs. Paul in at least the semi-finals, if not the actual finals. However, I hope they do something amazing and let Ash finally win. But the writers probably think that losing makes Ash seem more human, but by the 4th region, haven't we SEEN his humanity?

    I'll actually be sad to see such a powerful rivalry end after Sinnoh, because those two have definitely fueled the entire season. It has given Ash a dynamic growth throughout the whole season, and that is saying something. I think though though that God Paul should be beaten in the League by Ash, but it will probably follow more closely to Zoey/Dawn.

    Either way, this was an epic end for contests in Sinnoh, but I hope that it isn't the absolute last contest. You should probably kill me for saying it, but I actually like them.

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    i laugh she loses lol everybody so confident she wins it just would be funny if she was doing real good then blows it
    LOL i like how i was right

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