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    ^ I don't know how many times people have said it, but Infernape vs Electrivire is confirmed to be the last battle of the match.

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    I found this episode to be rather peaceful. It felt like there was much less pure strategy in this episode and more spur of the moment battling, which works to Ash's advantage, I suppose. I'm mildly surprised Ash has done much more switching than Paul has, but I like it. Even if this is Paul's strategy to wear down Ash's pokemon for his last fresh one to come in to play and sweep away, Ash isn't worried about it- and he wasn't particularly worried about it when facing Conway, either. He's willing to try things out. Pikachu vs. Frosslas (sp.) was my favorite battle (like some other people have said), and I liked how different everything looked when Hail was in effect. I thought it was neat how Frosslas sort of creeped up on Pikachu and scared it at the beginning, and I also liked how calm Ash looked when he was following Frosslas with his eyes.

    I'm sorry for Torterra; Rock Climb just hasn't worked the way it was supposed to, giving Torterra a "speedy" attack. Torterra just has had a tough time with offense, not just at the last gym, where Rock Climb was no good and Leaf Storm/Energy Ball combination didn't do too much damage to Electrivire, but also in the episode pretty soon after against Claydol, where Leaf Storm/Energy Ball was completely stopped.

    I absolutely love Gliscor, the way it smiled at Ash to say it was okay after it seemed a little weary. I'm glad it's getting a chance to shine in this battle, and it's the first pokemon who's really, really surprised Paul in this battle.

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    Infernape should not have taken out Ninjask to be honest, it felt pointless. We know Infernape is strong, why did it need to take out that bug?

    Either Torterra or Gliscor should have taken out Ninjask.

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    They just had to demonstrate that Infernape can take out three Pokemon, because God knows the fanbase would have rejected him taking any less. Smart, writers, very smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Seoul View Post
    They just had to demonstrate that Infernape can take out three Pokemon, because God knows the fanbase would have rejected him taking any less. Smart, writers, very smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSDark View Post
    torterra. really sucked
    And those 3 words just sum up how I felt about this episode. The battle is overall one of the best battles ever, but they did Torterra no justice. Seriously, a win couldn't be given to Torterra? No of course not. The ape on steroids definitely had to claim another win. On the bright side, Gliscor had some epic aerial batling skills goin on.

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    Best Wishes couldn't get here sooner if this is all i'm gonna hear and see for the next few weeks.

    Seriously enough complaining just enjoy the match for what it's worth.

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    I'm starting to hate Infernape now...

    Is it really necessary for Infrnape to get 3 wins? Caue its obvious it will beat Electivire.

    Staraptor could have taken down Aggron w/ Close Combat.
    Torterra could have taken down Ninjask.

    So far Torterra is the only Siinoh pokemon (excluding Gible), not to win against Paul's pokemon.

    lets recap

    Ash vs Paul fights.

    Starly vs Starly [Paul's Starly]
    Aipom vs Chimchar [Aipom]
    Pikachu vs Elekid [Tie]
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    Turtwig vs Chimchar [Chimchar]
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    Gligar vs Gliscor [Gliscor]
    Chimchar vs Ursaring [Chimchar]
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    Turtwig/Grotle vs Honkrow [Honchkrow]
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    Staravia/Staraptor vs Honchkrow (Pokeringer) [Staraptor]
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    Lake Acuity Full Battle
    Buizel- Beat no one. Lost to Ursaring.
    Gliscor- Beat no one. Lost to Torterra.
    Staraptor- Beat Weavile. Lost to Ursaring.
    Grotle- Beat no one. Lost to Honchkrow
    Pikachu- Beat no one. Lost to Ursaring
    Chimchar/Monferno- Beat Ursaring. Lost to Electabuzz.
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    Sinnoh League (so far)
    Buizel- Beat Gastrodon. Lost to Drapion
    Staraptor- Beat no one. Lost to Drapion
    Torterra- Beat no one. Lost to Drapion
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    Gliscor- Hasn't beaten anyone, hasn't lost. (May Beat/Tie w/ drapion)
    Pikachu- Beat Froslass, Hasn't lost.
    Infernape- Beat Aggron, Ninjask, hasn't lost (Will most likely beat Electivire)

    so lets recap.

    Staraptor
    0 Ties
    3 Losses [1 Starly, 1 Staravia, 1 Staraptor]
    2 Wins [2 Staraptor]

    Aipom
    1 Win

    Pikachu
    1 Tie
    1 Loss
    1 Win

    Torterra
    0 Ties
    4 Losses [1 Turtwig, 2 Grotle, 1 Torterra]
    0 Wins

    Gliscor
    0 Ties
    2 Losses [1 Gligar, 1 Gliscor]
    0 Wins

    Infernape
    0 Ties
    1 Loss [Monferno]
    4/5 Wins [1 Chimchar, 1 Monferno, 2/3 Infernape]

    Buizel
    0 Ties
    2 Losses
    1 Win

    Gible
    Never fought Paul.
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    I frankly don't mind that Infernape has taken out three pokemon. It Torterra I'm having a problem with. This goes to show that the writers can't balance a team with more than 2 fully evolved pokemon. The show would go back and forth with pokemon, especially when Chimchar came. It came and it was all about it. then turwig evolved. then staraptor got it time, then back to Chimchar, then to grotle, then back to Monferno, then Buizel, then Infernape, then Torterra.

    Show wise , Ash still has a long way to go. It kind of funny coming into the Sinnoh league think that Ash would show his pokemon true strength only to down play pokemon like Torterra.
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    Like many, I hate the fact that torterra did not get a win. However i won't mind much if Ash gets to realise what he was doing wrong with terra - how he can't handle a tank, and how he needs to work on that. As long as he mentions that someway, I am all good.

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    It doesn't get much better than this. Infernape was awesome with it's blast burn and pikachu finishing off froslass was also pretty cool. I kind of felt bad that torterra and staraptor got the short end of the stick but they at least made a good effort. Can't wait for the next episode.
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    So I guess Giga Drain is less implied tentacle rape and more energy beams with energy draining capabilities. And here I thought Japan was all for the tentacle rape.
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    Honestly, this episode was just OK to me.

    All the battling was cool, but besides Drapion, I am not impressed in the least by Paul's new pokemon. Ninjask went down like a common fly with one Mach Punch from Infernape, and it only took an Iron Tail and Volt Tackle from Pikachu to KO Froslass. I'm quite sure if you replaced Ninjask and Froslass with Torterra and Ursaring, this battle would have been a lot better.

    Hopefully the next episode makes up for this one.

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    After watching the episode, now I really gotta say some of those KOs from Drapion were really just there only for the sake of making it the beast of Pauls team. Buizel was KOed by a single Pin Missile despite the only damage it had taken before coming from it touching the Toxic Spikes an attack that only affects pokemon that switch in (Nice one writers obeying the game effects with Paul vs Barry with Spikes, yet saying screw it with Ash)

    Staraptor I'll forgive since it was clearly tired when it was recalled, though what was Ash thinking having Staraptor strike high with Aerial Ace despite striking low being more advantageous with Drapion.

    Finally the end of the nightmare, Torterra's was the worst of them all. How the hell does Drapion simply stop a 683.4 lb pokemon in mid flight as its jumping towards it and then just hold it in mid air? I know pokemon likes to have physics look the other way, but that was just contrived on ridiculous levels. Had this been following physics, the force of Torterra's jump would have gone somewhere, not just vanished like it did. You can't just catch a pokemon that heavy and nothing happen, it just doesn't happen.

    But aside from that, the battle was great once Drapion left the field and even the part when it came back and got smacked by Giga Impact with Gliscor using the recoil from hitting Drapion to get away.

    Also does anyone find it kinda ironic that the writers gave Paul, a trainer with the opposite training methods of Ash, a Froslass, the opposite evolution to Glalie, a pokemon of Ash's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poke Master 7 View Post
    After watching the episode, now I really gotta say some of those KOs from Drapion were really just there only for the sake of making it the beast of Pauls team
    Agreed. Plot power strikes again!

    I can't even begin to describe how ****** I am about Torterra losing so Infernape can get an extra win AGAIN. I was shouting at the screen for gods sake.

    That being said- Gliscor's battling against Drapion, Pikachu's believable win against Froslass and Infernape's KO against Ninjask were cool and saved the whole thing from being a disappointment.

    Incidentally, it seems like most of the time Infernape uses Mach Punch to finish a battle (Croconaw, Jolteon, Aggron Ninjask) do you guys think it's coincidence or are the writers trying to establish it as his "finisher move?" If they are, I totally called it a while back XD

    Anyway, here's how I think the kills should be/have been distributed throughout the whole battle.

    Ash:
    Staraptor- Nothing
    Buizel- Gastrodon (DP186)
    Infernape- Aggron(DP186) Electivire(DP188)
    Pikachu- Froslass(DP187)
    Torterra- Drapion (DP188) Withdrawn after using Synthesis.
    Gliscor- Ninjask(DP187)

    Paul:
    Aggron-Nothing
    Gastrodon-Nothing
    Electivire-Pikachu (DP188) Torterra(DP188)
    Ninjask-Nothing
    Froslass-Nothing
    Drapion- Buizel (DP187) Staraptor(DP187) Gliscor (DP188)

    But no. Overusedape MUST have 3 kills. Now people will be saying Torterra is Ash's weakest for years :S
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    This was a great episode! Can't wait for the finale!

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    The fact Torterra hasn't won a single battle ever since it evolved bugs me alot still awesome ep, the battles were really great, though it wasn't Iwane's best work.
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    Also does anyone find it kinda ironic that the writers gave Paul, a trainer with the opposite training methods of Ash, a Froslass, the opposite evolution to Glalie, a pokemon of Ash's?
    Maybe the writers just wanna emphasize on the way how Ash and Paul are completely different again. Paul wanted his Snorunt-if he had one-to evolve into a Froslass due to its dual type advantages. That being said, there wasn't any Froslass when Ash's Snorunt evolved.

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    Pretty good ep. overall. Just wasn't expecting Drapion to sweep that much. <_< Only it and Electivire will have any wins by the end of the battle. Shows how unbalanced Paul's team is. :/

    Better team he could have used:

    Torterra
    Electivire
    Magmortar
    Ursaring
    Drapion
    Aggron

    ^ Would have made a much better battle. Otherwise, 7/10 for this episode.
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    From this battle it is clear that Ash needs more type variety in his team than his regular Grass-Fire-Water-Normal\Flying-Wildcard team. If he had a Steel or Poison type Pokemon then toxic spike wouldn't have mattered. And what was worse? Even Buizel got poisoned when the move was supposed to hit anyone switching in. If they made it look like every Pokemon touching the ground will get poisoned then what was saving Paul's Pokemon?
    This battle was disappointing considering the huge build up. Why did they ad to give Torterra another loss? Ash could have chosen something else to be the fall guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawn hater View Post
    From this battle it is clear that Ash needs more type variety in his team than his regular Grass-Fire-Water-Normal\Flying-Wildcard team. If he had a Steel or Poison type Pokemon then toxic spike wouldn't have mattered. And what was worse? Even Buizel got poisoned when the move was supposed to hit anyone switching in. If they made it look like every Pokemon touching the ground will get poisoned then what was saving Paul's Pokemon?
    This battle was disappointing considering the huge build up. Why did they ad to give Torterra another loss? Ash could have chosen something else to be the fall guy.
    How was Ash suppose to know that Toxic Spikes was going to be used? I don't think Ash has even known of that move until now. If he had Poison or Steel type then it would have helped(Assuming it wouldn't work on them) but it's not like he picks his team, the writers do.

    Toxic Spikes may work differently then in the games, some moves are like that. It could be that any Pokemon that touches the ground does get Poison.

    And the reason Paul's Pokemon didn't get Poison is because Drapion was the only one who was touching the ground while Toxic Spikes was in affect, considering it's part Poison it may have not worked. That or Toxic Spikes only works on the opponent.

    It's getting annoying how everyone is complaining about Torterra not getting a win. The writers don't make every Pokemon equal. I've already acknowledge Torterra as a powerful Pokemon, just because it loses doesn't mean it's weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gliscor&yanmega View Post

    It's getting annoying how everyone is complaining about Torterra not getting a win. The writers don't make every Pokemon equal. I've already acknowledge Torterra as a powerful Pokemon, just because it loses doesn't mean it's weak.
    I think it comes from the fact that despite us knowing Torterra is a strong pokemon, it's never shown. He's literally the only fully evolved starter of Ash's that hasn't gotten to show itself as being a powerhouse. With Charizard, Sceptile and Infernape, they all have shown impressive battle skills when they're in battle and have some impressive wins under their belts. Torterra on the other hand hasn't gotten a single win since reaching it's full evolution. And even worse than that, the entire plot point of Torterra's being a tank able to take hits and then strike back when the opponent least expects it went completely forgotten once he evolved from Grotle while Ash's other pokemon's problems (Infernape's blaze, Gible's Draco Meteor, Gliscor's trouble with flying and fear of battle) were all solved. There's literally no excuse on the writers part considering how long they had to work with this problem, it's just bad writing in that area.

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    I liked the episode.

    What I liked:
    Paul not having cliche pokemon. I like his Ninjask, Gastrodon and Froslass a lot!
    Gliscor (:


    What I didnt like:
    That some pokemon knocked down 3 pokemon (Drapion)
    That some pokemon didnt knock down anyone (Staraptor, Torterra, Froslass, Ninjask)
    Ash switching out every 5 seconds.
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    torterra v darkrai torterra wins in the finals that would be hilarious and kinda awsome

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    You know I just realized what would be terrible?

    If they end up making Drapion knock Gliscor out and then Infernape takes a fourth win.

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