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    Drapion was using Pin Missle which to my knowledge does work on grass types--

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    Quote Originally Posted by The 4th KIRA View Post
    Buizel's lacked any real major battles in Sinnoh, the only thing close to a major battle was when it fought against Maylene's Lucario and it tied so there's not really anything memorable abotu Buizel and I had hoped it would get a chance to show it's true colors after all the training it was put through under Dawn and Ash's care. That is why I thought it would SHINE for once.

    As for Drapion and Torterra, despite the fact that Torterra didn't know any Ground type moves, Drapion would have been at a disadvantage due to the Ground type's resistance to Poison type moves.

    And I've always considered Gliscor a "Poison" type just by looking at it's coloration. Not the best way to find out but there you have it. So pardon me for not being able to memorize the type combinations of all 493+ Pokemon revealed so far :|
    Buizel got a lot of battles and screen time during Sinnoh. To me Buizel has shown it is a powerful Pokemon. It's all a matter of opinion and in the end it's what the writers want.

    Torterra gets neutral damage from Poison type moves, hardly a disadvantage for Drapion. If anyone was at a disadvantage it was Torterra since Grass type moves don't do much damage to Drapion.

    I can understand someone could mistake Gliscor for a Poison type(Being a Scorpion more then the color). I just thought considering the anime and the games have been out for a while and Gliscor has been part of the main cast, that everyone would know it's type along with all the other Pokemon on the main cast. That's just me though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almighty Zard View Post
    Drapion was using Pin Missle which to my knowledge does work on grass types--
    It's super effective against Torterra too, so Torterra was really the one at the disadvantage.

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    What was that green attack Ninjask used? Leech Life?
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    LOL, who cares?

    Staraptor already beat Paul at Pokeringer. Torterra not getting a win is a shame, but oh well. Torterra never had any hope of reaching Sceptile's level of power anyway.

    Gliscor's bound to win or tie with Drapion.

    Overall, Ash's Hoenn team was far superior to the Sinnoh team, (bar Infernape being better than Torkoal obviously), and it goes to show you what lack of accomplishments this team really had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    LOL, who cares?
    LOL, pretty much everyone who has posted in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uber gon View Post
    What was that green attack Ninjask used? Leech Life?
    I think it was Giga Drain.

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Overall, Ash's Hoenn team was far superior to the Sinnoh team, (bar Infernape being better than Torkoal obviously), and it goes to show you what lack of accomplishments this team really had.
    Your opinion doesn't equal fact.

    I don't see the point in comparing Pokemon in the way you are doing, it's very inaccurate, and can be very bias.

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    Clearly in the Pokemon world "Not Very Effective" does not exist when it logically should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gliscor&yanmega View Post
    Your opinion doesn't equal fact.

    I don't see the point in comparing Pokemon in the way you are doing, it's very inaccurate, and can be very bias.
    Mind explaining? Infernape is far better than Torkoal, but what else?

    Everyone else is either tied, (like Corphish and Buizel), or the Hoenn Pokemon are superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Mind explaining? Infernape is far better than Torkoal, but what else?

    Everyone else is either tied, (like Corphish and Buizel), or the Hoenn Pokemon are superior.
    I said I don't get the point in comparing Pokemon. And if we are going to compare then why compare Pokemon based on their type?

    Comparing Pokemon makes no sense since there is a lot of different opinions that will be brought up and it will never be proven in the anime first hand.

    It's your opinion that Hoenn is stronger/superior/better/whatever then Sinnoh, where as I feel like comparing Pokemon is a waste of time and makes no sense.

    Besides, the Hoenn Pokemon have nothing to do with this episode so I don't even know why you bothered even mentioning them, especially when you made a thread saying the exact same thing(Even though it got closed).

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    I don't find this battle intense, I think it's kinda of dual! They should have ash take on someone new and hopefully elite 4. I would like to see Ash take on someone important like Lucian. heck, even a battle against james and ash would be more interesting. So many episodes are wasted on the paul battle. and what is up with the obession with the blaze, the writers seem obessed with it. They should of gave Paul a suicune or a black and white pokemon. but the writers are so predictable. I-ALREADY-KNOW-THAT-ASH-WILL-WIN-BECAUSE-APES-BLAZE-WILL-SAVE-THE-DAY-AND-PAUL-WILL TURN OVER A NEW LEAF LIKE GARY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormno27 View Post
    I don't find this battle intense, I think it's kinda of dual! They should have ash take on someone new and hopefully elite 4. I would like to see Ash take on someone important like Lucian. heck, even a battle against james and ash would be more interesting. So many episodes are wasted on the paul battle. and what is up with the obession with the blaze, the writers seem obessed with it. They should of gave Paul a suicune or a black and white pokemon. but the writers are so predictable. I-ALREADY-KNOW-THAT-ASH-WILL-WIN-BECAUSE-APES-BLAZE-WILL-SAVE-THE-DAY-AND-PAUL-WILL TURN OVER A NEW LEAF LIKE GARY.
    All the buildup and the monkey's story is pretty much for this battle. Of course there will be huge hype on this, esp on blaze, which Chimchar previously has trouble controlling. ALL of us know Ash is going to win, but we don't know HOW, hence us watching the episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormno27 View Post
    I don't find this battle intense, I think it's kinda of dual!
    Well that's your opinion.



    Quote Originally Posted by stormno27 View Post
    They should have ash take on someone new and hopefully elite 4. I would like to see Ash take on someone important like Lucian. heck, even a battle against james and ash would be more interesting.
    Ash isn't going to battle the Elite Four. He will however fight Takuto, someone new.

    Quote Originally Posted by stormno27 View Post
    So many episodes are wasted on the paul battle. and what is up with the obession with the blaze, the writers seem obessed with it. They should of gave Paul a suicune or a black and white pokemon.
    The episodes with Paul is hardly wasted, at less not in my opinion. A lot gets done in those episodes.

    People don't seem to realize that Chimchar struggled with Blaze, and so did Monferno(Not as much but still it did). When it evolved into Infernape it mastered it. Since Paul's main concern with Chimchar was it's Blaze, it makes perfect sense for Blaze to be shown. It's plot, not obsession.

    Why should Paul have a legendary? We already have Takuto who has one. I don't see why they "should" have done anything of that sort. Same with the 5th gen Pokemon.

    Quote Originally Posted by stormno27 View Post
    but the writers are so predictable. I-ALREADY-KNOW-THAT-ASH-WILL-WIN-BECAUSE-APES-BLAZE-WILL-SAVE-THE-DAY-AND-PAUL-WILL TURN OVER A NEW LEAF LIKE GARY.
    Predictable? So you knew what would happen all threw out Sinnoh? I really doubt that. All writers are predictable at some point or another. And in cases like these, it's always obvious what will happen because it's a theme in many shows, games, books, etc... just like how "Good" always beat "Evil", it's predictable but that doesn't mean it's not interesting.

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    Drapion looks pretty awesome, and toxic spikes was an awesome idea. I just looked at the screencaps, nevermind the actual battle, and didn't realize that the dig/blast burn was used to get rid of the spikes. Really? Creative, I guess.

    I knew that Staraptor wasn't really gonna accomplish much of anything.
    I feel bad for Torterra though. Ever since it evolved, it could never get the wins like it did when it was a Turtwig. Ash just can't build a defensive strategy for the guy. I mean, that was the whole point of the speed thing, yes? Torterra is still trying to run around and charge at the enemy and then gets its own weight thrown against it. What a shame, thinking Ash would adapt better.

    Also, Mach Punch one-shotting something again? Why learn Giga Impact when you can have Mach Punch!


    Quote Originally Posted by Poke Master 7 View Post
    Are we sure it's Reggies and not one that Paul caught and put on the same stuff as that tank bear of his? Cuz the second it was able to lift and toss Torterra of all pokemon with reletive ease, it became time to get that thing tested. I mean do the writers even pay attention to weight past Snorelax anymore? It would have been better if Drapion's grabbing of Torterra backfired due to it not being able to counterbalance the weight of the giant turtle it was holding and it fell allowing Ash to take advatage of that and have it use Bite to keep it in place as it landed on it KOing it.
    Like the Mach Punch that sent a 700-800 pound or so Aggron flying back to a wall half way across the stadium? No, they never do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post

    Everyone else is either tied, (like Corphish and Buizel).
    Wait wait wait! Did I just read that? Cyber thinks a pokemon from Hoenn and Sinnoh are equal! But in another thread he said Corphish is superior. Quick someone for the love of god sig it!

    On topic;
    Um, I'm pretty sure the Hoenn team had an extra region to go to. So they had 8 gyms, 1 league and every battle, and 7 frontiers to be in. That's hardly fair comparing them to a team that has been in 8 gyms, 1 battle in a league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingMinun View Post
    On topic;
    Um, I'm pretty sure the Hoenn team had an extra region to go to. So they had 8 gyms, 1 league and every battle, and 7 frontiers to be in. That's hardly fair comparing them to a team that has been in 8 gyms, 1 battle in a league.
    Who said I was counting BF? In the actual Hoenn league they were shown superior to the Sinnoh team, sans Torkoal for Infernape obviously.

    Grovyle evolved later on made it stronger, but Grovyle was still powerful in its second stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Who said I was counting BF? In the actual Hoenn league they were shown superior to the Sinnoh team, sans Torkoal for Infernape obviously.

    Grovyle evolved later on made it stronger, but Grovyle was still powerful in its second stage.
    Yeah but remember, they were the only pokemon used, Sinnoh league is different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    LOL, who cares?

    Staraptor already beat Paul at Pokeringer. Torterra not getting a win is a shame, but oh well. Torterra never had any hope of reaching Sceptile's level of power anyway.

    Gliscor's bound to win or tie with Drapion.

    Overall, Ash's Hoenn team was far superior to the Sinnoh team, (bar Infernape being better than Torkoal obviously), and it goes to show you what lack of accomplishments this team really had.
    Of course you don't have anything nice or worthwhile to say. Ever.

    The only reason Torterra seems weak is because Infernape is Ash's center Pokemon, like Sceptile was in AG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabuto View Post
    The only reason Torterra seems weak is because Infernape is Ash's center Pokemon, like Sceptile was in AG
    Which is odd, because in early DP, Turtwig was Ash's star Pokemon winning matches right and left.

    Go back and watch some of DP's early Gym battles and the tag battle arc, Turtwig was the star and was constantly winning matches.

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    torterra. really sucked
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Which is odd, because in early DP, Turtwig was Ash's star Pokemon winning matches right and left.

    Go back and watch some of DP's early Gym battles and the tag battle arc, Turtwig was the star and was constantly winning matches.

    But you complained about Turtwig back then too.

    Also, Chimchar wasn't on Ash's team back then. Turtwig proceeded to take a backseat. This also happened when Paul's Torterra was introduced.

    It's actually possible that Chimchar was initially going to be Paul's central pokemon, and it was changed to become Ash's in order to create a more interesting story
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    I am thoroughly dismayed on how Torterra was handled in this episode, just wished it could've damaged Drapion even more as it could've been easily taken out by Gliscor by the end of the episode.

    But no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabuto View Post
    But you complained about Turtwig back then too.
    I complained back then because Turtwig originally felt like a Bulbasaur clone.

    It's actually possible that Chimchar was initially going to be Paul's central pokemon, and it was changed to become Ash's in order to create a more interesting story
    Possibly. But they just wound up making Infernape into the next Charizard, screwing over his other pokemon.

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    Aw man, Torterra seriously needed a win. Infernape is awesome and I get that he needs to shine in this episode, but two wins would've been enough. Torterra should have at least used the swallowing energy ball strategy and weakened Drapion even more. Still, the battle in general was pretty epic.

    By the way, does anyone know what Paul and Reggie were saying after Ash sent out Torterra? I think I heard something about Paul also having a Torterra from Reggie and I guess Paul was just happy Torterra got poisoned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    I complained back then because Turtwig originally felt like a Bulbasaur clone.
    You even said yourself that it lost it's "peacekeeper" traits not long after being caught, and in attack terms Razor Leaf was the only move the two shared.

    Seriously do you hate DP so much that you constantly bring up AG any chance you get to bash it?

    AG is dead and DP is soon to follow, then what you gonna compare BW to AG as well?

    AG was not the be all end all saga of the series dude.

    Back on topic, I felt this was the best battle i've seen in ages, and we're not even at the climax yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalladeRocks View Post
    I have really mixed feelings about Torterra's loss to Drapion. I realize that it made a lot of sense to have Drapion take down three of Ash's Pokemon like that, making a super-comeback. But now Torterra is Ash's only Sinnoh Pokemon to not have a single victory against Paul, sans Gible of course. Pikachu's beaten Froslass, Staraptor's beaten Weavile, Buizel's beaten Gastrodon, Infernape's beaten Ursaring, Aggron, Ursaring, Ninjask, Ursaring, and will obviously beat Electivire, and Gliscor seems very likely to either beat or draw against Drapion. However, Torterra is the only one of Ash's Pokemon that could afford to lose to Drapion. Gliscor just returned and needs to show off its strength, so it couldn't lose. Pikachu's finally got his uber-powers back, so he couldn't lose there. And Infernape's...well, Infernape. So I guess that Torterra was the logical choice to lose.

    Also, I may love Infernape, but having it take down Ninjask on top of Aggron and Electivire seems like overkill. Infernape may have all rights, reserves, and copyrights to kick Paul's butt, but I would have rather seen Gliscor's aerial maneuvers or Torterra's ultra-defense take on Ninjask.

    And now that I'm finished with my rants...Infernape still rocks out loud. And Drapion is absolutely insane powerful, just like Ursaring. Heck, Drapion may be even worse, given the fact that it poisoned five of Ash's Pokemon. And the one that it didn't poison, it crushed without mercy. So, yeah. Wow.
    We don't know if Infernape actually beats Electivire or if it is Pikachu.

    Right now I'm considering that Drapion and Gliscor knock each other out, like 3 minutes into the episode.

    Ash then uses Pikachu/Infernape, and then after taking a beating, returns Pikachu/Infernape and throws out Infernape/Pikachu who KOs Electivire.

    I'm leaning towards Infernape vs Electivire first, then Infernape gets Blaze(after all he has retained alot of damage from Ninjask and Toxic Spikes). Blaze Infernape deals massive damage, and knocks Electivire back, but Infernape is also badly hurt, so Ash returns him and goes with Pika
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