I guess we'll never know. Will we?
I guess we'll never know. Will we?
Too bad that Ash faced such a hard-to-beat opponent for what turned out to be his last Sinnoh League match. He was as outclassed vs. Tobias as he was against Paul in season 12. At least it was an opportunity to see Ash's old pokemon again, but that's about the only good thing.
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Cheapest battle ever. I can't believe how they made Ash look like a weak trainer who doesn't deserve to be in the finals. I don't get, what the writers were aiming for with that. Why don't they let him win a league? He defeated his toughest rival EVER and proved how strong he can be. Why not just give him that victory? To give a random and never seen Trainer Legendary Pokemon is just unfair and should have been forbidden in the league. Thats why i turned my back on the series at first, but later watched Best Wishes after a few months... Although i don't expect Ash to win the Unova League either.
Please what are the pokemons of opponent of Tobias in final? http://www.serebii.net/anime/picture.../657/DP328.jpg
I think Tobias is a strong trainer, who can match agaist elite4 members but he can´t agaist Champions - Lance, Cynthia, Steven or Frontier Brains - Brandon and Palmer.
Just look at battle Brandon vs Paul. He use regi-trio and all Paul´s pokemons were uselles. Even Ash won just because Brandon use just Regice - not all his regi´s...
Cynthia´s Garchomp - she defeat with him all sinnoh elite4 members. ( You saw it, dont you? I think it was battle vs Lucian...)
All of this "super-trainers" have at least one who can be as good or even better than Tobias Darkrai..I think rest of his team is weaker - maybe legendary birds, dogs or something that "at pseudo legens" level...
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Great episode, but Tobias was such a cheap way to make sure Ash doesn't win. But I do like the fact that Ash managed to beat two of Tobias' Pokémon, when no-one else, not even the finalist, could beat his Darkrai. I loved seeing Ash turn his hat around for the first time in forever, it made the Latios vs. Pikachu fight all that more special. I felt so insanely proud watching Pikachu battle Latios, so sad that Ash had to lose. Team Rocket were enjoyable again, I love seeing them support Ash. Top 4 is amazing! A great way to end the Sinnoh League.
Who wants to bet Tobias had arceus? And the creation trio as well?
Epic episode but either way, Tobias is still a phoned in plot device for Ash to lose. At least past league rivals were remotely developed or elaborated before their matches with Ash. He may be suppose to be "mysterious" but the thing about mysteries is that they're suppose to be solved for a story. Furthermore, the fact that this guy came out of nowhere with Pokemon WHO'S VERY EXISTENCES ARE QUESTIONED (hence why they're LEGENDARIES), it automatically gets the viewers (who know this fully well) wanting answers ASAP. But we get jacksquat for Tobias's history. And considering how he won the final match with Darkrai only, this means that Ash would won and at least finally won a conference if not for Mr. Plot Device. Maybe not the Elite Four too but it'd be about time.
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i think only pokemon that can defeat darkrai is mewtwo, i mean sceptile did defeated him but if ash had mewtwo i think he would lose aswell cuz we havent seen other 4 of 6 tobiass pokemon
I loved this battle although it was sort of cheap. Ash's pokemon was able to atleast take down two of his pokemon though anyone wasn't able to. I liked that than with Lucario.
im just sad that after 16 seasons of ash and pikachu he once won pokemon league(orange league) and become a master of battle frontier but i thougt he would face tobias in finals and in unova he didnt even use his old pokemon except pikachu and he ended up in top 8
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I’m just going to say that I can see why people hate this episode so much. I’m sure almost everyone expects Ash to lose every major league by now, but the way this is done is DEPLORABLE. First off, Tobias doesn’t even get disqualified for having brought a LEGENDARY POKEMON, making him look more and more like a Gary-Stu each time. The actual battle is too one-sided and anti-climactic, because he more or less sweeps half of his team with Darkrai, until Sceptile barely beats it. You’d think his next Pokemon would be a non-legendary so Ash could put up a better fight, right? Instead…he sends out a freakin’ LATIOS, which sweeps the rest of his team and ties with Pikachu. Most of them don’t even put up a fight, just pretty much stand there and let Tobias beat them. The thing that really sucks is, Ash really could have won (even though we know they wouldn’t let him) if Tobias didn’t appear.
Writers, please, PLEASE keep your Gary-Stu/Mary-Sue characters OUTSIDE of canon, thanks.
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That episode actually goes to show that if Tobias wasn't in the league, Ash would have won the whole league, being the only trainer strong enough to take out not only one, but two of Tobias' legendaries. Although it was a disappointing episode, it sheds light on how strong Ash really is. I'd love to have versed Tobias myself with my Darkrai, one Focus Blast and bye bye Tobias' Darkrai.
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This battle served no justice for anyone who wasn't Sceptile and Pikachu but I gotta hand it to Ash for beating 2 Legends.
This episode was disappointing! After Ash defeated his tough rival Paul, he had to lose the semi-final in a very cheap way. Seriously, what were the writers thinking ? Bringing a Gary-Stu like Tobias to make Ash lose was stupid.
I'm glad Ash at least defeated two of his overpowerd Pokemon, but this episode was still dissapointing.
It's nice that TPCI kept all Japanese music in this episode.
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It's interesting that after this curbstomp any time Ash uses his full team he usually get's curbstomped in a similar manner.
The writers regressed Ash in BW, that's why he loses in battles. Besides, his Unova team is not as good as his Sinnoh team.
It's sad that in the next Pokemon league Ash lose to a Cameron, which was worse than this league match.
At least Ash used his old Pokemon in this battle, unlike Unova league.
Seeing Tobias's Legendary Pokemon in this episode, makes me wonder how he caught them in first place? But I guess it will remain unanswered.
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He was regressed no doubt but there is still a continuing trend after this battle of him getting swept or almost getting swept using his full team.
He lost to Trip in a 5 on 5 where Trip only used 3 Pokemon.
He almost lost to Roxie despite having 2 times more Pokemon then her.
He lost to Cameron in a 6 on 5 battle where Cameron really only needed 3 Pokemon. Which I agree was probably worst then this battle.
While I did enjoy the battle between Ash and Tobias, you can tell Tobias was basically entered as a rival to prevent ash from winning. The Sinnoh League would have been perfect for Ash to win. He had defeated Paul, his main rival throughout the series. Then we get Tobias who basically stomped Ash's team except Sceptile and Pikachu. You would think after seeing Tobias battle before Ash would have picked a much better selection of pokemon, plus it would have been nice to see some of his older pokemon again such as Charizard. It seems to me that the writers obviously have something against Ash winning a tournament.
Just like Froakie fans can find no wrong for him in the animeMaybe my blind love of the DP saga where I hardly can find many important flaws, this episode didn't discourage me... I feel it went on to show that Ash truly was the strongest trainer in the Sinnoh league, so powerful that the only way to continue his story (the writers have found him to be the perfect marketing device) was to have him lose in the most conceivable of ways known to Pokemon fans (or the cheapest), which was using Legendary Pokemon. Outside of Torkoal (who did deserve better) and Swellow (who was due for a nerf), Ash's Heracross and Gible did put up some decent showcasing's. Obviously though Sceptile and Pikachu were the main stars. And let's face it, they did give Ash a bit of a hurrah seeing as he was the only one to take Darkrai down as well as take down a Latios (which regardless of your beliefs, is only an OU Pokemon when not holding it's signature item).
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it really wouldn't have mattered who Ash choose besides Pikachu (though it is obvious Infernape probably wouldn't be involved due to being overtired from the Paul battle) still Torkoal and Gible I feel had no business being in this fight, even if the latter did help in Darkrai's defeat by Sceptile with it's Rock Smash.
Still, Ash could've used Heracross abit wiser (I mean was the opening Hyper Beam really necessary) and Swellow obviously fell from it's days of grace given that it got blasted in one shot by Luster Purge, even though most of us know it can and should be able to take more than that.
I thought this battle really sucked on first watch. I'm not a fan of Ash losing horribly without a good reason (Indigo used the disobedient Charizard for example as a really good plot device to make him lose the League badly), but this really takes the cake. Two ***king legendaries in a row, and we don't even find out what Tobias' remaining four Pokemon were. I was absolutely outraged by that. Even after Ash took out his Darkrai, I guessed correctly he had another legendary or his whole team were legendaries. Yeah, I know he was the only one to defeat his Darkrai, but come on! A one-sided battle with no pay-off in my opinion, so it was a huge disappointment compared to Paul's three-parter battle.
3/10 (mostly because of Ash turning his hat backwards and finishing in the Top 4)