I'm not one of the people who completely despised this battle, in fact I quite liked it, but I do think there could've been some fair changes to make it a bit more worthwhile for Ash's team.
Firstly, I'd have had Heracross struggle back up from the Dream Eater and get recalled, before sending out Torkoal to get its loss (albeit not so quickly). Then Gible wouldn't have come out, it would've gone straight to Sceptile for the defeat, before Tobias sent out, let's say a Cloyster, to Ice Beam the gecko into oblivion.. Then Heracross would've come back out and Focus Punched the crap out of Cloyster before being defeated by the Lucario that I think almost everyone had predicted Tobias to have at one point or another.. Lucario would've destroyed Heracross, then gone up against Swellow, who would deal a butt ton of damage before being recalled after a hard hit, allowing Gible to swoop in and take the victory. Gible would then take on the next opponent, getting hit hard, but evolving and winning as a Gabite. It would then get quickly defeated by Latios, followed by Swellow, before Pikachu came out and tied. This means that Tobias would've of course won without using a sixth, still using both Legendaries but having some other Pokemon in between.
Not everyone's cup of tea, but it would've at least fleshed out the battle a bit and put Ash's first dragon type on a pedestal.. but ah well, like I said, I enjoyed it anyway.
I don't really have the time or patience to focus on nature's and IV'S, I just play with what I'm handed..
Heracross v. Darkrai: Darkrai
Torkoal v. Darkrai: Darkrai though Torkoal does more damage
Gible v. Darkrai: Gible Recalled after Ice Beam
Sceptile v. Darkrai: Sceptile
Sceptile v. Emboar (Show off the Unova strters): Emboar
Swellow v. Emboar: Swellow
Swellow v. Lucario: Lucario
Gible v. Lucario: Gible Evolves
Gabite v. Lucario: Gabite
Gabite v. Latios: Latios
Pikachu v. Latios: Draw
Ash with a more respectable 6-4 loss. Tobias' team gets fleshed out more so the complaints of Legend hax get shut up. And Gible gets some more focus while Sceptile and Pikachu still get their BAMF moments.
I would have liked to see:
Darkrai vs Heracross: Darkrai
Darkrai vs Gible: Darkrai
Darkrai vs Sceptile: Sceptile (extended fight)
Lucario vs Sceptile: Lucario
Lucario vs Glalie: Draw
Latios vs Swellow: Latios (extended fight)
Latios vs Pikachu: Draw
This would have been possible in the scope of one episode.
Darkrai defeats Heracross and Gible the way he does in the show (tanking a couple of hits but restoring himself with Dream Eaters), before falling to Sceptile in a tougher fight. Sceptile falls to Lucario easily afterwards. Glalie and Lucario battle to a double KO. Swellow duels Latios in a longer aerial dogfight before finally falling, leading the way for Pikachu to draw. Sceptile earns a win. Pikachu and Glalie draw. Swellow has a strong showing, and Gible and Heracross fought admirably as they did in the actual episode.
Ash substitutes Torkoal for Glalie, resulting in a team comprising of 2 tier-1s (Pik, Scep), 3 tier-2s (Gla, Swel, Hera), and 1 high tier-3 and trump card (Gib).
[this battle was pretty epic. It sucks though that it was essentially a 6 vs 2.
Last edited by jrizza88; 29th July 2015 at 8:14 PM.
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It's an epic battle, no doubt, but every time I watch it I feel really sad. It's like it was the only way to make Ash lose.
I wish Ash had used Glalie or Bayleef in place of Gible here but I know it wouldn't have changed anything. I wish Ash had made Top 2 though. 6/10
Hmmm well Tobias was essentially invincible here which makes me wonder why he even bothered challenging the league since he seemed so above it. I liked how Pikachu tied with Latios however since at least this way Ash took down two pokemon and lost with dignity. :3
The writers should have made Ash enter the finals only to lose to Tobias since they were going to make the trainer Tobias was going to face in the final lose without even taking out 1 of his pokemon.Overall good job for Ash taking out Darkrai but the writers could have done better.
This was the best match Ash has had in a pokemon league. Landing top 4 is his personal best (excluding Orange Islands and Battle Frontier). Tobias was bound win with the two pokemon he used since they are both legendary. Ash was the first one to defeat his Darkrai and manages to knock out his Latios despite Pikachu fainting as well. A shame that we don't see Tobias's other pokemon but this battle was really good. 9/10 for effort.
As a huge fan of Sinnoh's League up until the ending, I wish Ash versus Tobias had been two episodes long. But Ash's Sceptile did so good here.
Finally, the Shinou League final. For all the complaints that I've seen regarding Satoshi losing to Takuto over the years, I liked this match. Jukain showed his worth by defeating Darkrai, and even Pikachu's true talent was shown when he tied with Latios. Things could've been much worse.
An OK episode and I'm glad Sceptile was the one to defeat Darkrai.
Pokemon Sun: Primarina, Lycanroc (Midday), Palossand, Vikavolt, Salandit and Kommo-o.
Pokemon Moon: Decidueye, Mudsdale, Crabrawler, Oricorio (Baile Style), Oranguru and Toxapex.
You'd think Ash would be a little bit famous after defeating Tobias's Darkrai considering he's the only trainer to do it but nope.
Too bad that Ash faced such a hard-to-defeat opponent for what turned out to be his last Sinnoh League match. He was as outclassed by Tobias here as he was against Paul at Lake Acuity.~
It's just disappointing that after the DP arc has been airing for years it comes to a close with such a rushed Pokemon League. Even more so because there are countless filler episodes that are completely forgettable. I'm not surprised at all, the writing just seems to low quality.