Is Red really the strongest 'Dex Holder?

[PokemonOwn]

Red is clearly the strongest Dex holder. And for those that mention the battle against Bruno (The 1st time), that was Lorelei that mainly defeated him. Even Gold, who manages to finally defeat The Masked Man, asked him for training to beat Silver, who, to be fair, is a carbon copy of Green (Girl), despite the fact that they were joined together since the very beginning.

Blue is also rather good competition - To be honest, I'd be looking forward to an epic battle between the main protagonists (Red, Gold, Ruby, Pearl & Black) against all of their rivals (Blue, Silver, Sapphire, Diamond and White).

I also think it would be good for all of the female counterparts to have an epic battle, or something along those lines.

But yea - Red all the way. ;D

[Weedy Spyze]

Red is clearly the strongest Dex holder.

Not clearly. Why don't you explain why he is "clearly" the strongest, instead of just simply stating it.

Oh and by the way, Diamond is the male protagonist (Lucas' conterpart) and Pearl is the rival (Barry's counterpart).

[PokemonOwn]

Not clearly. Why don't you explain why he is "clearly" the strongest, instead of just simply stating it.

Oh and by the way, Diamond is the male protagonist (Lucas' conterpart) and Pearl is the rival (Barry's counterpart).

Sorry, I forget the nature of the Sinnoh Manga. :/

The reason for this is because he WAS the original Dex Holder. His title is "The Battler" and even Prof. Oak entrusted him with a Pokedex rather quickly, as compared to other Dex holders such as Yellow and Gold. Red, as MrMineEpik has stated has been training for the longest of the bunch (Barring Blue, who was trained since he was about five by Chuck). He has been the Pokedex holder that has had their Pokemon the longest (By his short backstory, it looks like he had Poliwag at about the age of three).

[Weedy Spyze]

Sorry, I forget the nature of the Sinnoh Manga. :/

The reason for this is because he WAS the original Dex Holder. His title is "The Battler" and even Prof. Oak entrusted him with a Pokedex rather quickly, as compared to other Dex holders such as Yellow and Gold. Red, as MrMineEpik has stated has been training for the longest of the bunch (Barring Blue, who was trained since he was about five by Chuck). He has been the Pokedex holder that has had their Pokemon the longest (By his short backstory, it looks like he had Poliwag at about the age of three).

Blue (Oak's grandson) was the original Dexholder, not Red. I've already established that Oak is a tad senile when it comes to entrusting his Pokedexes, since he seems to contradict himself rather frequently on what he thinks a Pokedex holder "should be" I guess. I'll elaborate more if you need me to. Ruby was also trained at or before the age of five, by his father Norman, and has also exhibited many battle skills that are in my opinion, more impressive than stuff Red has shown. We don't know what age Red was when he got Poliwag, and every single dexholder sans Yellow, Sapphire, Emerald, Platinum, and White are all known to have Pokemon from a young age. Silver for example, has had his Sneasel ever since he was two. Gold grew up in a house full of Pokemon, and has been around them since birth. Black had his Munna and Rufflet at the age of five, nine years before he started on his journey around Unova.

For the record, Red is actually my favorite character, which is why a picture of him is my avatar. I just don't think there's any real evidence that he's the "strongest" Dexholder, nor do I think he needs to be. I don't think there needs to be a definite strongest at all. Red is obviously stronger than a few of the other Dexholders, but there are also others who I think could be his match. If you want me to elaborate, I've already done so here: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthr...8#post14855078.

[Grim Heaper]

Emerald got the Tactics Symbol at the end of the Emerald Arc.

Nuff said.

[Doodlebug]

i dunno, i always thought that Emerald won cause it is the "Emerald arc" and cuz its his "arc" they had to make him win or something...
but thats just me -_-;

[TeamGalacticMars]

I think he is the strongest I mean he has level 80 Pokemon!|:| He is tough to beat in the game to!

[lolipiece]

I think he is the strongest I mean he has level 80 Pokemon!|:| He is tough to beat in the game to!

1. So what. A level 1 Rattata could beat a level 80 Pokemon.

2. This. Is. Not. The. Games. Stop applying game logic to this series. It doesn't work that way. Those Red's aren't even the same one.

[Doodlebug]

1. So what. A level 1 Rattata could beat a level 80 Pokemon.

how does that work? O_O

[Electrolled]

Teach it Endeavor and Quick attack and attach a Focus Sash :3

Endeavor brings the other Pokemon down to 1 HP, and Quick Attack faints it.

[Doodlebug]

Teach it Endeavor and Quick attack and attach a Focus Sash :3

Endeavor brings the other Pokemon down to 1 HP, and Quick Attack faints it.

...wow.
never thought of that..... O_O

[Gyarados Fan]

...wow.
never thought of that..... O_O

It's old xD a game site thought of it way back in 2007.

[Klizcool]

Red, as the main protagonist, is the strongest. But, given his situation, (I know that others have said why), he wasn't able to win. In all truths, if you were to gather all of the Dex holders in one tournament, at a good time, Red has a good chance of winning. But being more realistic, there are also the chances that Red could make a minor slip up and lose. Its in the odds, and Red has a great chance of winning. But there is still that "1%" chance of a loss you need to account for. No one's perfect.

[lolipiece]

Red, as the main protagonist, is the strongest. But, given his situation, (I know that others have said why), he wasn't able to win. In all truths, if you were to gather all of the Dex holders in one tournament, at a good time, Red has a good chance of winning. But being more realistic, there are also the chances that Red could make a minor slip up and lose. Its in the odds, and Red has a great chance of winning. But there is still that "1%" chance of a loss you need to account for. No one's perfect.

That argument doesn't work because there is no "main protagonist". It switches every chapter based on a game.

[e9310103838]

I don't know why,

when discussing the league match of dex holders, Green and Blue always be forgotten. lol