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    Quote Originally Posted by Exeggudork View Post
    Just started watching this series, I'm like three years late lol.

    A pretty good way to commence the new series/season/region.

    And this has been stated several times, but the fact that Pikachu was defeated by that Snivy is just..sad. I guess that's why the games =/= the anime
    God, that Pikachu-Snivy battle was terrible writing. Sure Pikachu didn't have any electric attacks, but he tied with a Damn Latios a week earlier...


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    This is an excellent way to kick off the Best Wishes! series.

    Zekrom zapping Pikachu, Lilia's (Iris) introduction, and even the battle with Diaz (Trip) were well done. And even though Team Rocket didn't do anything before Zekrom came in, them being serious was a step in the right direction and darkened the atmosphere.
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    very weird indeed but pikachu shouldn't of been reset

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    My goodness, this is how you start a series! I was fed up with the way the show was being handled through Advanced, and when Battle Frontier started I had had enough. I skipped forward to the Diamond and Pearl series but the didn't feel like it was any different than in Advanced, so I skipped forward again to Black and White.

    And wow was this a much needed change. Amazing new art style, awesome new voice acting, and the episode unfolded so perfectly! Ash got a new rival right off the bat, a mysterious and powerful legendary was introduced as well, and his Pikachu got it's butt whooped! I know many people feel the Pikachu Snivy battle was cheap, unfair, and poorly written, however the situation was 100% understandable and I believe it was great for Ash's character.

    This was an episode that re-sparked my interest in the show. I'm super excited to get to watch the rest of the series now!
    Someone once told me that Misty's cameos in Advanced Generation help make it easier knowing that she is no longer a series regular. They couldn't have been more wrong. After she leaves behind Togepi she returns to her gym more alone than ever AND ON TOP OF THAT, her last cameo was in 2005. 2005!?!?!? ITS BEEN TEN YEARS SINCE ONE OF THE CAST WHO STARTED THE SHOW WAS ACTUALLY ON THE SHOW!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny+Lilia+Ash View Post
    This is an excellent way to kick off the Best Wishes! series.

    Zekrom zapping Pikachu, Lilia's (Iris) introduction, and even the battle with Diaz (Trip) were well done. And even though Team Rocket didn't do anything before Zekrom came in, them being serious was a step in the right direction and darkened the atmosphere.
    Quote Originally Posted by minerswhocraft View Post
    My goodness, this is how you start a series! I was fed up with the way the show was being handled through Advanced, and when Battle Frontier started I had had enough. I skipped forward to the Diamond and Pearl series but the didn't feel like it was any different than in Advanced, so I skipped forward again to Black and White.

    And wow was this a much needed change. Amazing new art style, awesome new voice acting, and the episode unfolded so perfectly! Ash got a new rival right off the bat, a mysterious and powerful legendary was introduced as well, and his Pikachu got it's butt whooped! I know many people feel the Pikachu Snivy battle was cheap, unfair, and poorly written, however the situation was 100% understandable and I believe it was great for Ash's character.

    This was an episode that re-sparked my interest in the show. I'm super excited to get to watch the rest of the series now!
    Too bad that the series started to go downhill after Nimbasa City
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    When this was on CITV I missed this episode and the last of DP because I decided to watch The World Cup Highlights for the 13283489034890th time that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Munchlax View Post
    Too bad that the series started to go downhill after Nimbasa City
    How exactly?
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    Wow, when I heard that BW was supposed to be a sort of 'reboot' for the show, they weren't kidding, what with the show immediately staring like it's the very episode of the series.
    Not that I'm complaining because of that. I mean, you'd hardly notice he just finished traveling the Sinnoh region one episode before.

    Trips personality and attitude towards Ash, to me, seems like a mix of Gary and Paul turned up to eleven.

    I already miss how TR use to behave for most of the season,. Yeah, I said it. I enjoyed their zany antics.
    Bt I also like how they're more serious about their line of work. I mean, change is always nice.
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    All of the suspense that this episode ended with was pointless. Pikachu's electricity dilemma was solved in the first two minutes of the next episode, and none of the characters had to do anything for this to happen.

    As for the rest of this episode, it was lackluster at best. Trip never interested me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridiculous Reuniclus View Post
    All of the suspense that this episode ended with was pointless. Pikachu's electricity dilemma was solved in the first two minutes of the next episode, and none of the characters had to do anything for this to happen.

    As for the rest of this episode, it was lackluster at best. Trip never interested me.
    I agree. It was odd Pikachu's electrical problem did not persist. I wonder they intended to make it one of those scenarios where Pikachu gets reset again, which is what supposedly happened in Hoenn.

    It wasn't that bad. There were some nice Pikachu/Ash interactions. I liked the way Pikachu was feeling all bad because he has to have all those tests and Ash is really concerned when the lights go and Pikachu starts sparking in pain. And they way they hugged after the storm was really cute as well.

    There are four things that I really didn't like:

    1. Ash should have called the battle off when he realised Pikachu was still being affected by Zekrom. It was wrong of him to make his partner battle when he was sick.

    2. Pikachu's first battle of the series should not have been a loss. I would argue that even despite the inability to use electric type attacks he probably could have beaten Snivy. By comparison Ash and Pikachu win against Clemont and Bunelby (who are not begginers like Trip) in the opening episode of the XY series. A much better outcome and really does make me wonder whether the BW writers had it in for Pikachu

    3. This is the first of many occassions where the BW series uses Pikachu as a punching bag. Trip's Snivy, Iris's Excadril, Cress's Panpour and Cameron's Lucario - all battles Pikachu should have won but lost. At least in XY Pikachu has won nearly all of his battles.

    4. Zekrom does not reappear again in the entire series. Why not. We never learn what motive it had for hurting Pikachu.
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    In that episode, I was really surprised how Trip's Snivy (should be level 5 in the game) could beat Ash's Pikachu even though if game theory was applied, Ash's Pikachu should defeat Snivy without trouble but struggled to beat it because Ash had just came to Unova and doesn't know anything about Unova Pokémon.

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    I just rewatched this episode after a few years. The animation and bgm in this episode is amazing and I thought it was a decent episode. The only problems I really had with this episode was pretty much Ash's and Pikachu's character in this episode and the battle against Trip. I like the more "darker" version of Team Rocket here, though tbh, they should have left at the end of DP and replaced by B1W1 Team Plasma. This episode did seem to have a darker feel to it in general though imo, though that just may be me.

    Anyways I rate this episode 7/10

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    I liked this episode cuz we got to see Ash's mom and Oak stick around for the trip to Unova. I didn't like how Ash lost to Trip however since Pikachu still should've been stronger than a rookie Snivy even with his electric attacks gone.

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    This episode really led me to believe that Ash was only there to take a vacation, he smiled a little bit too much during battles and didn't seem to be taking it seriously.Even if Zekrom did take away Pikachu's electric type moves he still could have been able to defeat Trip's Snivy.The real Pikachu would have gotten back up after taking that leaf tornado and if Ash wss smart he would have just relied on Iron Tail to K.O it.Trip's arrogance level rose super high after he defeated him which I find funny considering Ash can just rotate his mons any. time he wishes and just crush him.

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    Ash's Pikachu losing to Snivy was embarrassing and an omen of things to come. Zekrom taking Pikachu's power was such a bad plot device. 5/10

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudySpell View Post
    Ash's Pikachu losing to Snivy was embarrassing and an omen of things to come. Zekrom taking Pikachu's power was such a bad plot device. 5/10
    Agreed. Especially as it didn't come to anything. Pikachu recovered in the next episode and Zekrom was never seen again. A bad way to establish a rivalry between Ash and Trip and give Ash and underhand against a beginner he should have been several times better than from the start.
    This is a story about Ash Ketchum and his loving partner Pikachu. These two share a bond far beyond that of ordinary pokemon and trainer. Together they pursue Ash's dream to be pokemon master and make friends with many different people and pokemon along the way. He and Pikachu train everyday to make this happen to fulfill their dream. But the path to victory is lined with danger. There are many challenges ahead for this couple.




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    I am okay with a soft reboot. I am okay with them trying to imitate the OS. From what I've seen of the OS, Ash's stupidity is due to immaturity rather than genuine stupidity which the later portion of the OS,AG, DP, and here tends to use. Disregarding all continuity so far, this was, at most, a decent episode. Granted, our great dragon of ideals has been reduced to a plot device, but we have a good set up for a competent Team Rocket. Like I said, this series hit the wall when the entire Rocket-Plasma two-parter was canned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by U.N. Owen View Post
    I am okay with a soft reboot. I am okay with them trying to imitate the OS. From what I've seen of the OS, Ash's stupidity is due to immaturity rather than genuine stupidity which the later portion of the OS,AG, DP, and here tends to use. Disregarding all continuity so far, this was, at most, a decent episode. Granted, our great dragon of ideals has been reduced to a plot device, but we have a good set up for a competent Team Rocket. Like I said, this series hit the wall when the entire Rocket-Plasma two-parter was canned.
    It's not necessarily a bad episode but Ash and certainly should not have lost a battle to a begging trainer. Introducing Trip as a rival who is defeating Ash and acting arrogant towards him despite having less experience than Ash was a mistake.

    I agree with you about the loss of the Rocket-Plasma two-parter. That was probably the reason we got the club battle tournament in the first place - and that wrecked the series.
    This is a story about Ash Ketchum and his loving partner Pikachu. These two share a bond far beyond that of ordinary pokemon and trainer. Together they pursue Ash's dream to be pokemon master and make friends with many different people and pokemon along the way. He and Pikachu train everyday to make this happen to fulfill their dream. But the path to victory is lined with danger. There are many challenges ahead for this couple.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikachu52 View Post
    I agree with you about the loss of the Rocket-Plasma two-parter. That was probably the reason we got the club battle tournament in the first place - and that wrecked the series.
    What wrecked the series is that we went back to the same formula with no direction with plots points being dropped off and character arcs that went nowhere. The club battles were the least of their problems.
    "Everyone creates the thing they dread. Men of peace create engines of war. Invaders create Avengers. People create... smaller people? Er... children! I lost the word there. Children. Designed to supplant them. To help them end."

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    But this is the traditional royal Canterlot voice! It is tradition to speak, using the Royal "we", and to use THIS MUCH VOLUME WHEN ADDRESSING OUR SUBJECTS!!

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    Lol, so why was Ash still ten here even after traveling to 4 regions previously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillachu View Post
    Lol, so why was Ash still ten here even after traveling to 4 regions previously...
    Take your pick. The calendar is different from ours, Ho-oh made Ash immortal, "It's magic. We don't have to explain it.", etc.
    "Everyone creates the thing they dread. Men of peace create engines of war. Invaders create Avengers. People create... smaller people? Er... children! I lost the word there. Children. Designed to supplant them. To help them end."

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    Wow,Unova region!I loved the episode!TR looked awesome in those black uniforms plus the whole thunderstorm thing exciting to watch.Ash is still ten but... nevermind.It was shocking to see Ash lose to a beginner trainer like Trip but that was because Pikachu was sick.I liked the animation and music.Oshawatt is freaking cute!9/10. ^^
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