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    Even with serene grace tri attack only has a 20% chance of inflicting status.
    Also, the effects of Serene Grace don't stack with King's Rock. Go with Leftovers instead.

    ---------------------- :O It's a set! It's a Toxic Stall Quagsire! Impossible!---------------

    Quagsire@Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb
    Nature: Sassy
    EV’s: 252 HP 252 Sp. Defense

    Moves:
    1. Stockpile/Curse
    2. Recover
    3. Toxic
    4. Waterfall

    I’ve met a few Quags in the Battle Subway and gosh they were annoying. It took me a long time to stall it out with my scrafty. Anyways, Stockpile boosts both defenses. However, Curse boosts Attack and Defense. Not sure which one is better. Recover is needed for stalling. Toxic fits Quagsire’s stalling abilities perfectly. Waterfall gets nice STAB. Leftovers is a must for stalling, as is water absorb, which plays well with its typing. Sassy boosts the weaker defense, just like the EV’s. I might have run Earthquake but I would get walled by every flying type(most notably, Skarmory.) I hope you like this set. Please rate! Thank You.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pichu47 View Post
    Also, the effects of Serene Grace don't stack with King's Rock. Go with Leftovers instead.

    ---------------------- :O It's a set! It's a Toxic Stall Quagsire! Impossible!---------------

    Quagsire@Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb
    Nature: Sassy
    EV’s: 252 HP 252 Sp. Defense

    Moves:
    1. Stockpile/Curse
    2. Recover
    3. Toxic
    4. Waterfall
    I'd recommend Unaware over Water Absorb, as you're able to stall Boosting sweepers like Cloyster and Volcarona.

    EDIT:

    Butterfree@Leftovers
    Calm/Sassy - CompoundEyes
    252 HP - 252 Sp.Def - 4 Sp.Atk
    -Sleep Powder
    -Nightmare
    -Struggle Bug
    -Roost

    Holy cow. A Sleep stall set! O: Sleep Powder almost never misses with CompoundEyes. Nightmare is a move tutor from Pokemon XD, and nothing else stalls like it. Struggle Bug to increase Butterfree's durability against Special Attackers, and Roost to recover it all back.
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    Wow, that looks good. Maybe quiver dance over roost though...
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    You mean over Struggle Bug? They have almost the same effect.
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    True, but then maybe include bug buzz or silver wind somewhere.
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    Quiver Dance over Roost? Sure. Bug Buzz over Struggle Bug too, and Energy Ball over Nightmare as well. And while we're at it, Tinted Lens over Compound Eyes and Tailwind over Sleep Powder!

    Sorry about that, but moves make the moveset. A stall Butterfree should stall and not try to boost. Suggesting Quiver Dance over Roost also suggests a sweeper set over a stall set.

    For future reference, it would help for you to explain your suggestions to the sets posted so that people won't ignore your suggestions. All of your posts have mostly been suggestions with little explanation. It helps to be a proper critique when you think about your suggestions and why people should think about them. I hope you don't take offense to this.

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    Not a sweeper but the spdef and speed boosts are nice and if you have a spatk boost then why not make use of it, also you (generaly) need one actual attack so you're not taunt bait.
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    In that case, I guess you can run Quiver Dance over Struggle Bug and Giga Drain over Roost. Not much going for STAB there, but loosing Roost, you've not many options left.

    I freakin' love this Dustox.

    Dustox@Light Clay
    Sassy - Shield Dust
    252 HP - 252 Sp.Def - 4 Def
    -Light Screen
    -Struggle Bug
    -Roost
    -Iron Defense

    My favorite Dustox set to use in Doubles. Good god, is he a walling beast. Light Screen gives your team Sp.Def support, Struggle Bug makes your team more resilient to Special Attacks. Roost heals you, and Iron Defense, a Move Tutor move learned as a Cascoon, increases your Def. Shield Dust protects him from Flinching, makes him beat Flinch Togekiss so easily it's not funny, but it is anyway. Being a Poison type makes him immune to Toxic, allowing him to stall against almost anything.

    I freakin' love this Dustox. He is just so awesome.

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    Huh what? Did I miss something? WHY THE HELL DO YOU NEED GIGA DRAIN. Sure, prevents you from being Taunt Bait but still...

    Anyway, why Struggle Bug? Even if something Taunts you you'll be spamming it...
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    Change Struggle bug to bug buzz, light screen to shadow ball, iron defence to energy ball and roost to quiver dance...

    Just kidding, I would consider reflect over iron defence though to support your whole team.
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    Everyone knows about the Fake Out/ Normal Gem Hitmonlee, but I have a different set that works wonders.

    Hitmonlee @ Focus Sash
    252 Att/Spe & 4 Sp.Def
    Lonely/Hasty nature (+Att/+Spe,-Def) 0 Def IV
    Ability: Unburden
    Moves:
    -Counter
    -Reversal
    -Earthquake
    -Mach Punch

    This thing almost always gets at least 1 KO. I bring him in to revenge kill a Physical Sweeper with Counter & Focus Sash and it works 99% of the time (With Spinner support). After his Focus Sash is spent, he becomes a speed demon with a priority of his own.
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    Focus sash isn't used up after you endure a hit. It works infinitely if you keep resting to full health.
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    No it doesn't. That's Sturdy.

    Try Stone Edge > Earthquake
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    Realy?! I'm sure it has exactly the same mechanics as sturdy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeselord View Post
    Focus sash isn't used up after you endure a hit. It works infinitely if you keep resting to full health.
    Then PO has a glitch, because he doubles in speed once he endures the hit. And does the set itself look solid?
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    Your right, I just googled it. I never knew that! I thought it lasts forever.
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    He maxed out at 600 speed and With a 150 BP STAB, however if anything breaks his Sash, he's pointless. Is this set worth the risk?
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    Maybe, but beware fake out leads!
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    Behold the awesome.

    Ditto@Macho Brace
    Relaxed - Limber
    252 HP - 252 Def - 4 Sp.Def
    -Transform
    -
    -
    -

    I've been using Ditto BEFORE he got eccentric. In Trick Room, he's just so cool. Macho Brace slows him down, like, really slow. Transforming into the opponent brings about speed ties, but Macho Brace resolves that in Trick Room by making him slower. The EVs given are to help Ditto survive priority attacks, especially Mach Punch.

    A Ditto like this is outclassed in Singles by Eccentric. But in Doubles, it's invaluable as you can actually choose your target.

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    When eccentric gets released approximately how long will it last before smogon ban him?

    I reckon a couple of hours...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheeselord View Post
    When eccentric gets released approximately how long will it last before smogon ban him?

    I reckon a couple of hours...
    I don't think he will be banned. I've used Eccentric Ditto on PO, he's a vital counter to boosting sweepers. Anyone who's ever fought Shell Smash Cloyster would understand that Ditto perfectly counters him. Transform also copies stat boosts.

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    Yeah but with a scarf he can literally revenge kill any thing, if the opponent has used three shell smashes he can still counter. Surely that is ban worthy.
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    He only revenge kills offensive Pokes; He can do little against defensive ones.
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    That's true.
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    omg you guys have to use this set.

    Munchlax@Eviolite
    Sassy - Thick Fat
    252 Atk - 252 Sp.Def - 4 Def
    -Curse
    -Rest
    -Chip Away
    -Fire Punch/Crunch

    Curse curse curse. Curse for all this set is worth. Pretty soon, your opponents will be unable to touch you. Boosting walls will fall to Chip Away, which ignores Defense boosts, and Fire Punch rounds up the coverage. Crunch is there to beat Ghosts. Either way, there are some pokemon who will still wall you. In that case, just Curse some more!

    This guy has been sweeping pokemon for me. It's frikkin awesome.

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