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[Black Murder Heavangelon]

@Lumineon, Lumineon's the fastest Soaker?

Basculin is, but he lacks U Turn and Swift Swim, which do make Lumineon the fastest Soak user in the game. Lumineon can provide a gimmicky but rewarding niche as this.

[SomeoneIGuess]

Personally I'd use Basculin because it can Soak before getting Ejected by base 95s. Also U-Turn is only useful if you are slower, otherwise your sweeper would take the hit and not Lumineon.

[Black Murder Heavangelon]

You're right about U Turn, but even then, you can switch in a Sap Sipper or a Motor Drive/Lightning Rod/Volt Absorb before Lumineon takes the hit, bring in a pokemon, and activate the ability, all in one turn under Rain, potentially. And also, Basculin doesn't have the Sp.Def to survive hits like Lumineon can. Not many other pokemon can do what Lumineon can here.

Now, another set derived from my infinite wisdom.

Sneasel@Focus Sash
Inner Focus - Jolly/Adamant
252 Atk/252 Spe/4 HP
-Taunt
-Counter
-Low Kick
-Ice Shard

Isn't he a beauty? I came up with it myself.

Works as an incredible Anti-Lead. Taunt shuts down slower leads. Counter is the beautiful thing about this set. With Inner Focus, and Sneasels low defenses, he can Counter Fake Outs dealing massive damage to leads if not KO them. Ice Shard is there in case they are also hanging on to Focus Sashes. Also maims Dragons late game if he's still alive. Low Kick is the move of choice, dealing HEAVY damage to stuff that switch in like Heatran, Hydreigon, Empoleon (seldom seen but I'm running out of examples), stuff like that.

I've had people raegquit against this guy so many times, it's not funny, but it is anyway. He just ruins stuff, so hilariously.

[SomeoneIGuess]

Well then it can't have Swift Swim...

Don't you mean Weavile? Sneasel's too slow to Taunt stuff. And also somewhat less powerful. I doubt the usefulness of it outside of Counter + Ice Shard, though. Anyway,

Weavile @ Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus (?)
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Low Sweep / Counter
- Ice Shard
- Beat Up
- Taunt

I'd use that. Low Sweep kills Scarfed anything slower tham Weavile, then you can finish them. Beat Up because you outspeed Gengar and can KO him with it, not to mention stuff like Azelf as well. Taunt for Slower leads, Ice Shar for anything with a Sash. Alternatively Counter over Low Sweep kills stuff like Tyranitar and anything that uses Physical moves.

[Black Murder Heavangelon]

Weavile doesn't have Inner Focus. It changes to Pressure.

I'd use Weavile if it had it, but even then, I'd switch to Sneasel for the novelty, For the gimmick. For the fact that it works.

EDIT: Ironically, I name this guy 'Weeviul' when I use it on PO. So fun. C:

[floatzel98]

what would be a good move set for empoleon, and would it be better off using torrent or it's dream world ability, defiant. i don't want him to be a defensive Pokemon. either a physical attacker or a special attacker.

[SomeoneIGuess]

what would be a good move set for empoleon, and would it be better off using torrent or it's dream world ability, defiant. i don't want him to be a defensive Pokemon. either a physical attacker or a special attacker.

Special Sweeper

- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Agility
Item Attached: Leftovers / Life Orb / Wisdom Glasses
Trait: Torrent
EVs and Nature:
EVs: 72 HP / 184 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

10Char...?

[floatzel98]

yeah empoleon sucks. i probably shouldn't use him

[toawest1]

i have a plan

Swellow
- Facade
- Protect
- whirlwind
- Aerial ace
Item Attached:flame Orb
Trait:guts
EVs and Nature:
EVs: 4 HP 252 Speed / 252 Attack
jolly Nature (+speed,-SAtk)

ok the first round use Protect,then the second round the flame orb will burn swellow making guts and Facade power up
my swellow (if i did the math right)will have around 403 attack as well as its 383 speed(yes my swellow has 31 IVs in attack and speed)and with Facade power doubled and with STAB it should have 210 power(if i did the math right).
and whirlwind is to get rid of steel,rock and ghosts types.
Might replace Aerial ace,if you think i should suggest something



so what do you think

[toawest1]

Well then it can't have Swift Swim...

Don't you mean Weavile? Sneasel's too slow to Taunt stuff. And also somewhat less powerful. I doubt the usefulness of it outside of Counter + Ice Shard, though. Anyway,

Weavile @ Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus (?)
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Low Sweep / Counter
- Ice Shard
- Beat Up
- Taunt

I'd use that. Low Sweep kills Scarfed anything slower tham Weavile, then you can finish them. Beat Up because you outspeed Gengar and can KO him with it, not to mention stuff like Azelf as well. Taunt for Slower leads, Ice Shar for anything with a Sash. Alternatively Counter over Low Sweep kills stuff like Tyranitar and anything that uses Physical moves.

why Hasty Nature?there is no reason to lower his defense,a better nature would be jolly

[cheeselord]

So he takes more damage and therefor counter does more.

[toawest1]

oooooooooooo i get it now

[XGallade]

I got a DS set for Virizion here. It looks somewhat interesting, and is resistant to dark moves most usual DS'ers are killed by.

Virizion@LightClay(?)
EV's: 252Spe/182Def/70HP
Nature:Impish
Ability:Justified
-Light Screen
-Reflect
-Sacred Sword
-Substitute/Safeguard/StoneEdge

The idea of this set is to quickly put up Reflect to boost it's rather frail defenses, after which light screen can be used to give an overall boost in defense for the team. Sacred Sword is a great STAB move, and negates any defensive boosts on the enemy, and also prevents to be setup-bait by Taunt.
I'm not entirely sure what i could put on the last slot, Safeguard is there to avoid the enemy team giving me nasty status effects with moves like T-Wave or Will-O-Wisp, while substitute let's it survive longer (in which case the prefered item would be leftovers, i think.). Stone Edge is to deal with Virizions rather annoying 4x Flying weakness, and possibly somewhat surprising any Flying type switch-ins.

Any tips?

[metagrossman4]

i know i have posted my scolipede moveset a couple of times, but now i want to comapere to a different idea.

Both of these baton passers would switch in to a Jellicent (which my team is built around). since jellicent has great spdef, i also want to give him good def. So...

Scolipede @Swarm
Item- Focus Sash
Nature- Jolly
EVS 252 Spd 252 Atk 4 Def

Iron Defense
Baton Pass
Megahorn
Toxic or Earthquake

OR

Accelgor @Hydration
Item- Focus Sash
Nature- Hasty
EVS 252 Spd 252 SpAtk 4 SpDef

Acid Armor
Baton Pass
Bug Buzz
Energy Ball

[Black Murder Heavangelon]

yeah empoleon sucks. i probably shouldn't use him

You want an offensive Empoleon? Run SubPetaya.

Substitute, Agility, Surf, Ice Beam.

Decimates everything. Set up a sub, use Agility, activate Petaya Berry, and typing provides key resistances to most priority moves. Surf gets boosted by Torrent if you have the Sub down at the right percentage.

I can't provide an EV spread. Smogon might have one.

I didn't use this set in OU, but I used a Piplup set in OU for the lulz.

I swept stuff. :D

[cheeselord]

Resists most priority... Except for mach punch, (possibly) the most common priority move of them all.

[Black Murder Heavangelon]

Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave are actually very uncommon. Of the Fighting types that use them, only Conkeldurr, Hitmontop, Hitmonchan, and maybe Breloom use them. Vacuum Wave users are even less common, Nasty Plot Toxicroak and Blaziken and Infernape being such examples.

Ice Shard and Bullet Punch are 4x resist priority attacks that Empoleon resists, the rest being seldom seen. SubPetaya Empoleon is incredibly lethal because almost no one is prepared for him.

And on that note, pokemon with a Water immunity ability are Water types that take neutral damage to Ice attacks. Quagsire, Gastrodon, Mantine, Vaporeon being the only one with an Ice resist as well. Not much can wall Empoleon because of all these factors.

[Cabbs]

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: Not really sure, sorry. But stats are as follows - Attack, 172, Defense, 106, Sp. Atk, 71, Sp. Def, 86, and Speed, 141. If that even helps.
Nature: Jolly
- Seed Bomb
- Focus Punch
- Facade
- Spore

I usually send out Breloom first. Its speed is usually higher than the other pokemon's, so I use Spore to put it to sleep. (Its never missed, yet.) I get poisoned by the Toxic Orb. If the pokemon had done any damage, a little gets healed. Usually, I would then use Facade which does double the damage since Breloom is poisoned, and the pokemon usually faints. Depending on the type, I will sometimes use Focus Punch, and since the pokemon is asleep, it can't be stopped. (Unless the pokemon wakes up.) Or I will use Seed Bomb if it is supereffective. That usually knocks the pokemon out, and Breloom still gets HP healed.
Is that good?

[SomeoneIGuess]

That Breloom's level is...?

And that set's pretty standard.

Mach Punch is ridiculously common. Every team has at least one Mach Puncher and that's usually Conkeldurr. Bullet Punch on the other hand is only seen on Scizor. And Ice Shard on Mamoswine and some Weavile.

[Cabbs]

Breloom's level is 53, right now. And what do you mean about Mach Punch? Should I use that? I put Focus Punch.