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    i guess i didn't really think it through lol but yeah i was wondering if there was a more stally type of glaceon rather than a sweeping one
    but that'll probably work, thanks a ton!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopinumbreon View Post
    i guess i didn't really think it through lol but yeah i was wondering if there was a more stally type of glaceon rather than a sweeping one
    but that'll probably work, thanks a ton!
    Just fyi, Walrein is in the same tier as Glaceon and kind of pioneered that set. It would be able to do it better.

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    Lots of questions:

    1. What are the difference between competitive battling on a simulator and battling over wi-fi? So far I've only used PS and PO, but I'd like to make a team on the game itself.
    2. Do they use tiers on wi-fi?
    3. What are the rules?
    4. Are there any unspoken rules, or behavior that is generally frowned down upon?
    5. How do you know if a team is worth making? With the metagame changing all the time it sounds difficult to make a team that remains good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedSpoon View Post
    Lots of questions:

    1. What are the difference between competitive battling on a simulator and battling over wi-fi? So far I've only used PS and PO, but I'd like to make a team on the game itself.
    2. Do they use tiers on wi-fi?
    3. What are the rules?
    4. Are there any unspoken rules, or behavior that is generally frowned down upon?
    5. How do you know if a team is worth making? With the metagame changing all the time it sounds difficult to make a team that remains good enough.
    1. Not really much. Pretty much the bw2 back drops and the unique animation for each attack
    2. To my knowledge that's up to the rules you and your opponent agree to. Otherwise, there's the standard nintendo rules
    3. smogon's banlist, po's isn't too different/. For nintendo iirc it's just no legendaries and no garchomp and no unreleased dw abilities. (I hope this answered your question...)
    4. Being a punk and using teams built to hax because no one likes hax. Same for baton pass if you're unprepared for it, though that's not something that's frowned upon
    5. Hard to tell, you pretty much have to keep up with what others say is good in the current meta. Metagame shifts for OU aren't common unless there's a ban or someone comes up with an innovative and dangerous set for a poke. The lower tiers, however, shift whenever a pokemon moves up in tier usage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dewhinifier View Post
    1. Not really much. Pretty much the bw2 back drops and the unique animation for each attack
    2. To my knowledge that's up to the rules you and your opponent agree to. Otherwise, there's the standard nintendo rules
    3. smogon's banlist, po's isn't too different/. For nintendo iirc it's just no legendaries and no garchomp and no unreleased dw abilities. (I hope this answered your question...)
    4. Being a punk and using teams built to hax because no one likes hax. Same for baton pass if you're unprepared for it, though that's not something that's frowned upon
    5. Hard to tell, you pretty much have to keep up with what others say is good in the current meta. Metagame shifts for OU aren't common unless there's a ban or someone comes up with an innovative and dangerous set for a poke. The lower tiers, however, shift whenever a pokemon moves up in tier usage.
    2/3. What are / where can I find the standard Nintendo rules/banlists? Doesn't anyone use legendaries on wi-fi? And what are the most commonly used rules battlers usually agree to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedSpoon View Post
    Lots of questions:

    1. What are the difference between competitive battling on a simulator and battling over wi-fi? So far I've only used PS and PO, but I'd like to make a team on the game itself.
    2. Do they use tiers on wi-fi?
    3. What are the rules?
    4. Are there any unspoken rules, or behavior that is generally frowned down upon?
    5. How do you know if a team is worth making? With the metagame changing all the time it sounds difficult to make a team that remains good enough.
    Just to add on to what was already said...

    1. There's really no difference aside from the rules used, and the fact that on Simulators you don't have to use your own Pokemon, which is preferable for some since breeding for IVs is a pain.
    2. No, tiers don't exist on random matchup or tournament wi-fi battles. If it's organized between two people though, they can choose to follow tiers if they want.
    3. Wi-Fi rules are here for random matchups, and there's also flat battle rules for battles in the Union Room. dewhinifier already listed Smogon/PO's.
    4. Hacked Pokemon are pretty much the universal rule, but there's also "common courtesy" such as not disconnecting to avoid a loss. Other than that, anything goes on wi-fi, and simulators typically have "clauses" of things that can be used on wi-fi, but are generally banned due to balance issues, or being too luck dependent (evasion, 1HKO moves, etc.).
    5. The metagame may change but the metagame is not absolute. Keep in mind tiers are based on usage, but there are usually some Pokemon that, despite being UU-tiered, can still perform well in OU. At the end of the day though, some Pokemon are just better than others. You wouldn't use Pidgeot when Staraptor and Braviary are so much better, for instance (it's a simplistic answer but there are more like that).
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    Not really a competitive mechanic question, but I tried accessing Smogon and PS, but both are giving me connection errors. Are they down or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglehawk View Post
    Not really a competitive mechanic question, but I tried accessing Smogon and PS, but both are giving me connection errors. Are they down or something?
    Seems that way. It's been like that since Friday, I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDraco View Post
    Seems that way. It's been like that since Friday, I believe.
    Smogon got ddos attacked again and idk about ps which was working up to about today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dewhinifier View Post
    Smogon got ddos attacked again and idk about ps which was working up to about today.
    PS has just been flashing on and off for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglehawk View Post
    Not really a competitive mechanic question, but I tried accessing Smogon and PS, but both are giving me connection errors. Are they down or something?
    Quote Originally Posted by dewhinifier View Post
    Smogon got ddos attacked again and idk about ps which was working up to about today.
    I've been wondering about what's been going on with Smogon, too. What's ddos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by varanus_komodoensis View Post
    I've been wondering about what's been going on with Smogon, too. What's ddos?
    Distributed Denial of Service attack.

    Why would anyone want to ddos Smogon? Who cares about them to that extent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosBlizzard View Post
    Distributed Denial of Service attack.

    Why would anyone want to ddos Smogon? Who cares about them to that extent?
    people who take this game a little too far...maybe someone's mad about a result, that's my guess. Smogon is quite often hit with trolls.

    PS got ddos'd too now.

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    How long does it take to recover?

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    Anywhere from a couple minutes to whenever the attacker gets bored. theoretically, it could last forever.

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    PS is back online now.

    Maybe the people over at the Pokemon Online forums sent the DDOS :P

    EDIT: nvm it just crashed again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglehawk View Post
    PS is back online now.

    Maybe the people over at the Pokemon Online forums sent the DDOS :P

    EDIT: nvm it just crashed again.
    forums are back up too tho slow to load. idk about ps tho, it was laggy earlier and prone to crash.

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    Smogon's back on for me, so I'm just going to go ahead and ask something that wasn't exactly clear to me yet, something I can't really ask on Smogon (sorry for these continues questions):
    Is it OK to use flawless OU legendaries on wi-fi? Do other people use legends? Flawless or not? Because I can RNG them easily, it just... feels... unfair... for some reason. On a simulator there's no problem, because everybody has access to everything. But I don't know about wi-fi... What's the standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedSpoon View Post
    Smogon's back on for me, so I'm just going to go ahead and ask something that wasn't exactly clear to me yet, something I can't really ask on Smogon (sorry for these continues questions):
    Is it OK to use flawless OU legendaries on wi-fi? Do other people use legends? Flawless or not? Because I can RNG them easily, it just... feels... unfair... for some reason. On a simulator there's no problem, because everybody has access to everything. But I don't know about wi-fi... What's the standard?
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    Ok, so a few quick question concerning OU Doubles. If I'm running a team based around Tailwind, should I be worried about having only one Pokemon to set up Tailwind, or should I opt to add Tailwind on a second Pokemon? (Latios is my potential candidate here.)

    Leading into my next question, since I'm running a team based on Tailwind, should Latios (considering maximum speed investment) be running a Modest nature over Timid, or is that speed really necessary? (Latios is my only sweeper with reasonably high speed excluding Tailwind.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo 14 View Post
    Ok, so a few quick question concerning OU Doubles. If I'm running a team based around Tailwind, should I be worried about having only one Pokemon to set up Tailwind, or should I opt to add Tailwind on a second Pokemon? (Latios is my potential candidate here.)

    Leading into my next question, since I'm running a team based on Tailwind, should Latios (considering maximum speed investment) be running a Modest nature over Timid, or is that speed really necessary? (Latios is my only sweeper with reasonably high speed excluding Tailwind.)
    It's always good to have a back up and I'd recommend timid in case they are using fast pokes when the wind is down


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonicwari View Post
    It's always good to have a back up and I'd recommend timid in case they are using fast pokes when the wind is down
    Okay, so that's what I was thinking too. In the end, that means I only have one change to make, and that's teaching Latios Tailwind. (Not like I use Hidden Power Fire much in Doubles).
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    Ok, so I'm gonna begin breeding Swinub soon but I'm stuck between two egg moves.. Should I give it Icicle Crash or Icicle Spear?

    I know each have their uses but which is better overall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by City Of Delusion View Post
    Ok, so I'm gonna begin breeding Swinub soon but I'm stuck between two egg moves.. Should I give it Icicle Crash or Icicle Spear?

    I know each have their uses but which is better overall?
    Crash. It's a more reliable, strong STAB overall when you don't need the priority of Ice Shard, while Spear is kind of a niche move for breaking subs/focus sash/multiscale.
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    I've used a Mamoswine for all of this past generation and Icicle Crash's flinch chance has actually been the difference between winning and losing more times than I can remember. You'd be surprised how much that little bonus helps. Against things I know I outspeed and that take the same amount from EQ and Crash but that I can't finish in the next hit, I'll sometimes go for Crash just to chance the flinch, and it works remarkably frequently.

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