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[Zachmac]

Ah, I see... Here's my question then: What OU, and UU Pokemon would be useful/effective under the effects of Trick Room and Sandstorm? Oh, and this also goes for Pokemon that can set up Trick Room/Sandstorm as well.

I actually asked that because I saw this page on Smogon: http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue17/rotation

Rhyperior is the first to come to mind. Almost perfect STAB coverage, massive attack, good defense, and pitiful speed.

Bronzong and Reuniclus are your best bets for setting it up. They're both immune to sandstorm, and are popular trick roomers anyway.

[Gothic-Gothorita]

Thanks everyone! ^-^;

And finally, probably my last question for a little while: Does Pokemon Online or Pokemon Showdown support Rotation Battles? (Meaning, can you do Rotation Battles on one of them?)

[Dragonicwari]

Last that I checked rotation battles were not on pokemon online or showdown (I haven't played on a simulator in weeks though)

[koolaidman594]

ok, so i need advice on IVs for a cresselia, i have been soft resetting to try to get the best possible spread, and so far the best I've come up with so far is 31/28/16/11/30/26. im not fond of the defense and special attack IVs, but considering how fickle soft resetting is, do you think itd be worth it to pursue those higher IVs and cast this spread aside?

[Superpower22]

What role does Cresselia play for the team? Also, what nature? Looking at those IVs with the info given, I say junk it, but I can tell you much more accurately if you answered those 2 questions

[koolaidman594]

well i didnt want it to turn into a singles rates post but bold nature and support, the set i want to use is skill swap/thunder wave/psychic/ice beam for a doubles team

[redcharzard]

ok, so i need advice on IVs for a cresselia, i have been soft resetting to try to get the best possible spread, and so far the best I've come up with so far is 31/28/16/11/30/26. im not fond of the defense and special attack IVs, but considering how fickle soft resetting is, do you think itd be worth it to pursue those higher IVs and cast this spread aside?

well i didnt want it to turn into a singles rates post but bold nature and support, the set i want to use is skill swap/thunder wave/psychic/ice beam for a doubles team

What role does Cresselia play for the team? Also, what nature? Looking at those IVs with the info given, I say junk it, but I can tell you much more accurately if you answered those 2 questions

This is not junk I have seen much worse(try quiet nature non-special event Heatran with 0 s.atk IVs and poor other IVs that is junk.) The Cressilia is more then usable although it is underused.

So this is what you have
Cresselia
Nature Bold
IVs 31/28/16/11/30/26
moves:
-Skill swap
-Thunder wave
-Psychic
-Ice beam

Not a bad set apart from the def IVs but I have seen worse. Alternate options include trick room fro tr teams but from the looks of it this Cressilia isn't built for it and your going for a Skill swap on Regigigas/Slaking right? that leaves 2 other options. Psyshock can work but Psychic is better suited for damaging what Cresselia should hit (pokemon with lower s.def but Psyshock gets around them anyway.) Icy wind over Ice beam is the other option but Thunder wave reduce speed better Icy wind hits both enemies for good damage if super effective. The power drop is pretty big though so Ice beam is better offensively.

[koolaidman594]

This is not junk I have seen much worse(try quiet nature non-special event Heatran with 0 s.atk IVs and poor other IVs that is junk.) The Cressilia is more then usable although it is underused.

So this is what you have
Cresselia
Nature Bold
IVs 31/28/16/11/30/26
moves:
-Skill swap
-Thunder wave
-Psychic
-Ice beam

Not a bad set apart from the def IVs but I have seen worse. Alternate options include trick room fro tr teams but from the looks of it this Cressilia isn't built for it and your going for a Skill swap on Regigigas/Slaking right? that leaves 2 other options. Psyshock can work but Psychic is better suited for damaging what Cresselia should hit (pokemon with lower s.def but Psyshock gets around them anyway.) Icy wind over Ice beam is the other option but Thunder wave reduce speed better Icy wind hits both enemies for good damage if super effective. The power drop is pretty big though so Ice beam is better offensively.

ok, thank you, and i was actually going for heatran skill swap. now, on the topic of skill swap, if i skill swapped with my heatran, and subbed cresselia out, then back in, essentially would both heatran and cresselia have levitate? or does it break if i swap out cresselia?

[Zachmac]

ok, thank you, and i was actually going for heatran skill swap. now, on the topic of skill swap, if i skill swapped with my heatran, and subbed cresselia out, then back in, essentially would both heatran and cresselia have levitate? or does it break if i swap out cresselia?

I'm pretty sure Heatran would retain the ability levitate.

[koolaidman594]

I'm pretty sure Heatran would retain the ability levitate.

ok thanks!

[redcharzard]

ok, thank you, and i was actually going for heatran skill swap. now, on the topic of skill swap, if i skill swapped with my heatran, and subbed cresselia out, then back in, essentially would both heatran and cresselia have levitate? or does it break if i swap out cresselia?

Odd choice as Slaking makes more sense or Regigigas as their abilities hinder them. Heatran uses Flash fire to boost its fire stab and to avoid neutral fire attacks so you may want to rethink your strategy.

[koolaidman594]

Odd choice as Slaking makes more sense or Regigigas as their abilities hinder them. Heatran uses Flash fire to boost its fire stab and to avoid neutral fire attacks so you may want to rethink your strategy.

thats a good point, i may have to incorporate that as well, i just liked that it replaces heatran's greatest weakness with an immunity

[Superpower22]

I don't think you can use skill swap on pokemon with truant or slow start. I think the only way to get rid of the ability is to use role play or skill swap with the pokemon that has truant or slow start.

[redcharzard]

I don't think you can use skill swap on pokemon with truant or slow start. I think the only way to get rid of the ability is to use role play or skill swap with the pokemon that has truant or slow start.

Please read the competitive use on http://www.smogon.com/bw/moves/skill_swap You can use Skill swap to swap those abilities. I even thought about using it back on colosseum to let Slaking wreak havoc(never got around to it but it does work on that game and trust me few things are as scarier then a slaking without Truant.) Regigigas really enjoys getting a better ability such as Magic guard, Levitate, pressure, Unburden or even Dry skin/Chlorophyll from any of the pokemon that get skill swap as its special defense is higher then slakings and with any of these abilities it immediately becomes more threating.


Edit If you meant that those pokemon didn't learn skill swap then you are correct but I was explaining which pokemon would be better targets for a skill swap user.

[Superpower22]

Alright, sorry. I read somewhere that you can't use skill swap on a pokemon with those abilities. Guess I was wrong. Thanks!
Now to build a doubles team with magic bounce regigigas... Hehehe....

[Blue Harvest]

Ah, I see... Here's my question then: What OU, and UU Pokemon would be useful/effective under the effects of Trick Room and Sandstorm? Oh, and this also goes for Pokemon that can set up Trick Room/Sandstorm as well.

I actually asked that because I saw this page on Smogon: http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue17/rotation

I know you asked a few days ago but...

Anything with Sand Force works well to an extent - http://www.smogon.com/bw/abilities/sand_force

Excadrill is fairly fast for Trick Room but hits EXTREMELY hard and is certainly slow enough with Iron Ball. Hippowdon is very slow and hits almost as hard as Excadrill but has much better bulk. I'm not sure if Gigialith's DW ability is released yet but if it is it certainly has the stats to deal a lot of damage.

[koolaidman594]

I know you asked a few days ago but...

Anything with Sand Force works well to an extent - http://www.smogon.com/bw/abilities/sand_force

Excadrill is fairly fast for Trick Room but hits EXTREMELY hard and is certainly slow enough with Iron Ball. Hippowdon is very slow and hits almost as hard as Excadrill but has much better bulk. I'm not sure if Gigialith's DW ability is released yet but if it is it certainly has the stats to deal a lot of damage.

unfortunately i think excadrill has been placed in ubers, and moved up from ou(im fairly certain)

[Blue Harvest]

Oh, I could have sworn he was talking about Rotation battles. Maybe i'm going crazy.

[koolaidman594]

Oh, I could have sworn he was talking about Rotation battles. Maybe i'm going crazy.

oh no i might have missed that, youre probably right. checking... yeah i think youre right the link says rotation

[Blue Harvest]

Yeah but he might have changed to talking about singles later. Ah well. Only he knows.