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**AromaFlora** · 30th April 2011, 9:57 AM

Get rid of Dragon Rush. Its 75% accuracy is just terrible. Missing is terrible in its own right (but some Pokemon have to deal with it, luckily, Dragonite is not one of those Pokemon with Outrage/EQ).

If you're using Adamant, you can go with a bulky dancer set or a full offensive set (hint: use the bulky one because Salamence somewhat outclasses the full offensive set).

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Multiscale / Inner Focus (if you can't get Multiscale)
Adamant
252 HP / 52 Atk / 204 Spe
- Dragon Dance
- Roost
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake

If you don't like the bulky approach, then here's the offensive approach.

Dragonite @ Life Orb
Multiscale / Inner Focus (if you can't get Multiscale)
Adamant
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch / Fire Blast

Complete coverage is pretty important on a sweeper, and that's why it's better to go with Dragon/Ground/Fire most of the time (using Superpower is an exception since Dragon/Fighting offers great coverage on its own). I guess Dragon Claw is usable on the final slow if you have something like Magnezone on your team to eliminate Steel-types. Dragon Claw is mostly for reliability if Outrage is a bit too risky to use (people baiting Dragonite into using it and switch into Ferrothorn or something).

**sea_boy21** · 30th April 2011, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by AromaFlora

Get rid of Dragon Rush. Its 75% accuracy is just terrible. Missing is terrible in its own right (but some Pokemon have to deal with it, luckily, Dragonite is not one of those Pokemon with Outrage/EQ).

If you're using Adamant, you can go with a bulky dancer set or a full offensive set (hint: use the bulky one because Salamence somewhat outclasses the full offensive set).

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Multiscale / Inner Focus (if you can't get Multiscale)
Adamant
252 HP / 52 Atk / 204 Spe
- Dragon Dance
- Roost
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake

If you don't like the bulky approach, then here's the offensive approach.

Dragonite @ Life Orb
Multiscale / Inner Focus (if you can't get Multiscale)
Adamant
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch / Fire Blast

Complete coverage is pretty important on a sweeper, and that's why it's better to go with Dragon/Ground/Fire most of the time (using Superpower is an exception since Dragon/Fighting offers great coverage on its own). I guess Dragon Claw is usable on the final slow if you have something like Magnezone on your team to eliminate Steel-types. Dragon Claw is mostly for reliability if Outrage is a bit too risky to use (people baiting Dragonite into using it and switch into Ferrothorn or something).

Yeah i still can teach him fire/ground but somehow i got the wrong nature for dragon dance, i'll run hurricane outrage aqua tail d.d. for a while and when i get pwned too much i'll probably EV a new one ;(

i got another question, for example i EV a pokemon and got all the moves i want, is in that case lvling up to 100 needed so everything scales perfectly or not necassery at all?

**metagrossman4** · 30th April 2011, 12:25 PM

what moves are more common in competitive battling?

Physical or Special based moves?

**~~Dattebayo~~** · 30th April 2011, 4:10 PM

Is Cobalion only limited to the two sets recommended by Smogon, or is it alright to run a jolly set w/ Sword Dance, Close Combat, Stone Edge, and Iron Head?

**~~Blue Harvest~~** · 30th April 2011, 4:15 PM

Cobalion isn't very good at all but yeah, a Swords Dance set is fine.

**~~Dattebayo~~** · 30th April 2011, 4:25 PM

Originally Posted by Blue Harvest

Cobalion isn't very good at all but yeah, a Swords Dance set is fine.

It's because I'm forced to catch Cobalion if I ever want to catch Terrakion, which I have to catch it with the right nature. If Cobalion isn't very good, then why did Smogon considered it OU worthy?

**Agonist** · 30th April 2011, 5:28 PM

Originally Posted by Dattebayo

It's because I'm forced to catch Cobalion if I ever want to catch Terrakion, which I have to catch it with the right nature. If Cobalion isn't very good, then why did Smogon considered it OU worthy?

because all of the new pokemon got an analysis, unless it's very clear they won't make OU (Watchog, and similar crap like that)

**SerenadeSP** · 30th April 2011, 8:02 PM

I'm working on a Sand Rush Stoutland and I was wondering what Nature/EV Spread I should use. I'm thinking Adamant or Jolly with 4 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed but I'm not sure if the much Attack/Speed is necessary.

**kaiser soze** · 30th April 2011, 8:12 PM

best nature for a sczior: careful, lonely, or doscile?

these are my IV bred scyters that came out outstanding with technician. the careful one has 31s in at least attack, D and SD. also EV advice would be appreciated (looking to add agility BTW)

**Zachmac** · 30th April 2011, 8:16 PM

Originally Posted by SerenadeSP

I'm working on a Sand Rush Stoutland and I was wondering what Nature/EV Spread I should use. I'm thinking Adamant or Jolly with 4 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed but I'm not sure if the much Attack/Speed is necessary.

If it's for a SS team, try definitely give it Adamant, since it gets double speed, and max out attack. Give it Return/Crunch/Something for Rock/Steel types.

Anyway, look here and decide a good speed stat for it.

best nature for a sczior: careful, lonely, or doscile?

these are my IV bred scyters that came out outstanding with technician. the careful one has 31s in at least attack, D and SD. also EV advice would be appreciated (looking to add agility BTW)

Actually, adamant is the best, but since you don't seem to have one, do careful.

**kaiser soze** · 30th April 2011, 8:35 PM

Originally Posted by Zachmac

If it's for a SS team, try definitely give it Adamant, since it gets double speed, and max out attack. Give it Return/Crunch/Something for Rock/Steel types.

Anyway, look here and decide a good speed stat for it. Actually, adamant is the best, but since you don't seem to have one, do careful.

yea I was hoping for adamant/jolly but I didnt have enough luck to breed an outstanding one. any advice for the EVs?

**Agonist** · 30th April 2011, 8:46 PM

248 HP/ 216 SpD/ 44 Atk?
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-U-Turn
-Roost

**poke-lord** · 30th April 2011, 8:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dattebayo

Is Cobalion only limited to the two sets recommended by Smogon, or is it alright to run a jolly set w/ Sword Dance, Close Combat, Stone Edge, and Iron Head?

No pokemon is just limited to the Smogon sets. Try to be unique. It could suprise people.

**AromaFlora** · 1st May 2011, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by 11tjcoulombe

248 HP/ 216 SpD/ 44 Atk?
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-U-Turn
-Roost

What exactly are you asking for? Is the set good or not?

Well, U-turn + Swords Dance really contradict each other. It may be good for a surprise or something, but it won't be that great on the long run. I personally use Bug Bite on that slot for a bigger hit. Steel-types won't really be that messy with Scizor, unless it's Heatran (in which you go to a Water-type/Tyranitar). Otherwise, pretty cool, one of my favorite Scizor sets (Specially Defensive).

**K13** · 1st May 2011, 12:47 AM

Which conkeldurr is the best?

[SET] #1
name: Bulk Up
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Drain Punch
move 3: Mach Punch
move 4: Payback / Stone Edge
item: Leftovers
ability: Guts
nature: Brave / Adamant
evs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET] 2
name: Substitute + Focus Punch
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Focus Punch
move 3: Mach Punch
move 4: Payback / Stone Edge
item: Leftovers
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

[SET] 3
name: Choice Band
move 1: Hammer Arm / Superpower
move 2: Mach Punch
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Payback
item: Choice Band
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

[SET] 4
name: Choice Band Drain puncher
move 1: Drain Punch
move 2: Mach Punch
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Payback
item: Choice Band
ability: Guts/ Iron Fist
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

**kaiser soze** · 1st May 2011, 1:35 AM

Originally Posted by AromaFlora

What exactly are you asking for? Is the set good or not?

Well, U-turn + Swords Dance really contradict each other. It may be good for a surprise or something, but it won't be that great on the long run. I personally use Bug Bite on that slot for a bigger hit. Steel-types won't really be that messy with Scizor, unless it's Heatran (in which you go to a Water-type/Tyranitar). Otherwise, pretty cool, one of my favorite Scizor sets (Specially Defensive).

I think he was trying to answer my question. I decided on 136speed/124attack/124hp/124SD with
- agility
- bullet punch
- acrobatics
- x-scissor (I forgot to teach it bug bite before transferring!

**gustavo 14** · 1st May 2011, 1:47 AM

how useful is uxie as a dual screener? it's been good so far, but i'm not sure if there is a better dual screen pokemon i could use.

my set now is:
- U-turn
- reflect
- light screen
- yawn
item: light clay
nature: impish
ev's: 252 HP/100 Def/152 SpD
is it worth keeping, or is there just a much better alternative?

**~~Dattebayo~~** · 1st May 2011, 1:53 AM

Originally Posted by K13

Which conkeldurr is the best?

[SET] #1
name: Bulk Up
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Drain Punch
move 3: Mach Punch
move 4: Payback / Stone Edge
item: Leftovers
ability: Guts
nature: Brave / Adamant
evs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET] 2
name: Substitute + Focus Punch
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Focus Punch
move 3: Mach Punch
move 4: Payback / Stone Edge
item: Leftovers
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

[SET] 3
name: Choice Band
move 1: Hammer Arm / Superpower
move 2: Mach Punch
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Payback
item: Choice Band
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

[SET] 4
name: Choice Band Drain puncher
move 1: Drain Punch
move 2: Mach Punch
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Payback
item: Choice Band
ability: Guts/ Iron Fist
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

Set 3 as it has enough coverage and doesn't use two STAB moves.

**kaiser soze** · 1st May 2011, 2:18 AM

Originally Posted by K13

Which conkeldurr is the best?

[SET] #1
name: Bulk Up
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Drain Punch
move 3: Mach Punch
move 4: Payback / Stone Edge
item: Leftovers
ability: Guts
nature: Brave / Adamant
evs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET] 2
name: Substitute + Focus Punch
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Focus Punch
move 3: Mach Punch
move 4: Payback / Stone Edge
item: Leftovers
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

[SET] 3
name: Choice Band
move 1: Hammer Arm / Superpower
move 2: Mach Punch
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Payback
item: Choice Band
ability: Guts
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

[SET] 4
name: Choice Band Drain puncher
move 1: Drain Punch
move 2: Mach Punch
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Payback
item: Choice Band
ability: Guts/ Iron Fist
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

what about guts + flame orb + drain punch? (+ bulk up?)

**gustavo 14** · 1st May 2011, 2:26 AM

^ a flame orb variant does seem better than all of those sets. just my opinion, but i agree with this statement.

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