Official Serebii 5th Gen Tier List & Standard Rules Discussion Thread

[Dragonicwari]

I actually like this and I feel like it will make it easier for team building as well since we will know what the good players are using (though the 1337 does this to I guess). Thanks for posting this chomp

[dewhinifier]

Smogon unbanned jynx from NU to test to see if it's broken in this meta. We'll see how this goes...

Also, for those who haven't noticed, deo d and torny t are now banned on PO, too.

Edit 5/14: Smogcast (smogon podcast) just aired. One of the things that was talked about was sleep being a possible suspect in the near future.

[That Crazy Russian™]

If sleep is tested, and deemed broken(which i dont see happening at all), then expect to see lower usage of breloom and amoongus

[dewhinifier]

Ok, so smogcast again. OU councilman Jabbathegriffin explained why they haven't suspected anything...because they can't decide on anything to suspect. Landorus though has the biggest likelihood to get suspected according to him and he'd love to see that happen soon.

[jesusfreak94]

If they're going to test it, I wish they'd test it already. Landorus-I is probably the most powerful (and closest to broken) Pokemon in OU right now, more so than former suspects Keldeo and Deoxys-D, and it hasn't got as much as a test yet. I think that thread about it being a potential suspect made it clear that the community was divided on Landorus-I enough to at least warrant a test, so I'm just wondering why the OU council hasn't decided anything yet.

[dewhinifier]

If they're going to test it, I wish they'd test it already. Landorus-I is probably the most powerful (and closest to broken) Pokemon in OU right now, more so than former suspects Keldeo and Deoxys-D, and it hasn't got as much as a test yet. I think that thread about it being a potential suspect made it clear that the community was divided on Landorus-I enough to at least warrant a test, so I'm just wondering why the OU council hasn't decided anything yet.

As jabba said, even the council is divided on the topic and thus for whatever reason stalling. The smogon community, and maybe even the serebii community based on john wallrein's possible suspect thread, would love to see it done. If I was in this same position, with knowledge that the Smogon World Cup is up and coming, I'd try to really get the gears moving so that way we wouldn't have to be debating it all through out another smogon team tournament that's of course bound to be full of drama after the Smogon Premier League and whatever the tour was that gr8astard controversially just won. The participants of the cast, in the on screen order for anyone that desides to watch it--pk gaming, reachzero, kokoloko, jabbathegriffin, and host lonelyness--all agreed that no would want to do any gen 5 suspect testing come gen 6 and hate to admit that the time for gen 5 is running out.

Now, the topic was permaweather. This debate is going no where and no one can really agree which ones break the meta and which ones balance the meta as proven by the podcast. To be honest this divide is so great that I think they won't end up doing crap about it. If you wanna talk 6th gen hopes and fears, I hope that the gen 6 meta won't be as crappy as gen 5 has been especially since the release of bw2 yet I fear that it might be. Some may argue that we still haven't had all of the dream world pokemon released yet and we can't really decide on anything until then. I'm gonna say early as I have before on other threads that we will get at least one ban to ubers (shadow tag chandelure), possibly 2 pokes that rises in usage and could get banned from a tier or 2 (serperior and feraligatr, the latter of which most feel will get banned from RU while the former may just rise to OU), and 2 that will get more usage in OU but not rise to OU (zapdos and raikou). Each of these pokemon is in some way benefited from weather but do not really contribute to making one more powerful than another.

[Eaglehawk]

Hey kiddies, in case you didn't see because of the DDoS attack on Smogon:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3484411

[Dr.Chaos]

I think the tier list needs updating because Jynx is still listed as BL3, when it's now NU as well as Scoliopede and Primeape...

[dewhinifier]

Landorus i has been suspected on smogon. Keldeo from what I hear is on the way.