MLB Baseball Thread

[BCVM22]

Aha, take that guy who argued about Trout quite a couple pages back... he used a shiny Magikarp avatar. Also, take that Sabermetrics

"Take that Sabermetrics"? Really? Seriously? I'm sorry, are you six years old?

[Golden_Latias]

Nothing wrong with sabermetrics. In fact, I think that had Miggy not won the Triple Crown, Trout would have won the MVP.

[Joltik-Kid]

"Take that Sabermetrics"? Really? Seriously? I'm sorry, are you six years old?

Hey, I'm all giddy right now okay... no I'm not 6 years old. I don't completely agree with the new age Sabermetric formula. WAR is not 100% there yet (in fact it's ridiculous right now as it stands) otherwise Ben Zobrist is exactly 9.3 percent better than Adrian Gonzalez.

[BCVM22]

I agree it's not yet a perfect statistic, but that doesn't discount the player value it indicates nor does it discredit the (now former) case for Trout as the MVP based on the total value he provided to his team nor does it at all discount the benefit of sabermetrics and the information they provide us.

[Joltik-Kid]

I agree it's not yet a perfect statistic, but that doesn't discount the player value it indicates nor does it discredit the (now former) case for Trout as the MVP based on the total value he provided to his team nor does it at all discount the benefit of sabermetrics and the information they provide us.

I still don't understand the WAR formula (as there is no established system for it) but based on Trout's performances, I think he rightfully deserved to be in the MVP discussion, possibly winning it had Cabrera not stepped his game up in the last two months that really counted.

[BCVM22]

There's no "possibly" to it. Neither one would have been the wrong choice. There is no argument - I repeat, no argument - for either one not being the MVP.

[Joltik-Kid]

I hope you know I didn't mean for it to sound bias ^^;

Of coarse both had solid arguments on why they should be MVP

[BCVM22]

As long as we're past that "take that, sabermetrics" thing.

[Joltik-Kid]

It's all good ^^ The only one I don't have faith in right now is WAR, but it will get there sooner or later

[PsychicPsycho]

I actually feel the O's and Jays are bigger threats at the moment than the Yankees and Red Sox. What has always held the Jays back is their starting pitching. That just got a lot better.

I would have preferred things stayed as they were. BTW why are you surprised that the marlins blew up their team? Its something they have made a habit of over the years

I still view the Yankees as valid contenders next year, but you've probably looked into the statistics more then me.

And I guess I haven't been watching baseball long enough to have seen them do it before.

EDIT: And Miggy wins the MVP. Good. He absolutely deserved it.

Does anyone know how many points seperated he and Trout?

Aha, take that guy who argued about Trout quite a couple pages back... he used a shiny Magikarp avatar.

That would be woot21. And it's not like he was being ridiculous. As was stated later...

There is no argument - I repeat, no argument - for either one not being the MVP.

[BCVM22]

Does anyone know how many points seperated he and Trout?

http://bbwaa.com/12-al-mvp/

A lot more than one might have expected.

[PsychicPsycho]

http://bbwaa.com/12-al-mvp/

A lot more than one might have expected.

Wow. Yeah I'd have thought it would've been a lot closer then that.

Thanks.

Oh wait, while I'm thinking about it- I remember seeing on tv that the Cy Young vote was tied one year (I can't remember which). Did they declare both pitchers the winner that year, or did they have some kind of tiebreaker?

[BCVM22]

Looks like that would have been 1969 in the AL. There were co-winners that year, evidently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cy_Youn...0.93present.29

[Joltik-Kid]

Well good news (depending on certain peoples version of "good") for my favorite team the Tigers, Raburn's gone and Porcello is likely staying as he changed his number from 48 to 21 (Tori is keeping number 48)

[Golden_Latias]

Well good news (depending on certain peoples version of "good") for my favorite team the Tigers, Raburn's gone and Porcello is likely staying as he changed his number from 48 to 21 (Tori is keeping number 48)

Known both bits of info. for a few days. Good that Raburn's gone, but I'm indifferent on Porcello. Would still prefer the Tigers to trade him and start Smyly, but of course, they do need to try to get Sanchez signed first.

[Joltik-Kid]

Known both bits of info. for a few days. Good that Raburn's gone, but I'm indifferent on Porcello. Would still prefer the Tigers to trade him and start Smyly, but of course, they do need to try to get Sanchez signed first.

If Sanchez doesn't lower his 90 mil dreams... I expect the same rotation we had mid season this year

[BCVM22]

and Porcello is likely staying as he changed his number from 48 to 21 (Tori is keeping number 48)

A publicized number change doesn't at all preclude him from being traded.

[Golden_Latias]

If Sanchez doesn't lower his 90 mil dreams... I expect the same rotation we had mid season this year

He's not going to get 90M. No one wants to pay him that much.

[Joltik-Kid]

A publicized number change doesn't at all preclude him from being traded.

I never said it was guaranteed, just that it seems likely... he's still got plenty of time to improve given his age (which is why I think the organization wants to keep him).

[TheWatersGreatGuardian]

Evan Longoria is signed through 2022 by the Rays! That is a shocker to me. never thought the Rays would give out a 100 million dollar contract

[woot21]

In new slightly related to the AL East...
Pirates sign Russel Martin. Can't be worse that Rod last year.

woot21 out dawgs

[TheWatersGreatGuardian]

In new slightly related to the AL East...
Pirates sign Russel Martin. Can't be worse that Rod last year.

woot21 out dawgs

He was decent with the Yankees. Glad he is out of the east

[woot21]

He was decent with the Yankees. Glad he is out of the east

And yet Pirates fans are upset about this signing, because they feel we should have gotten a better catcher. The only other decent catchers on the market were McCann (injury issues (so it could have been Ryan Doumit all over again)), Napoli (going to be 32 and would have cost way too much), Ruiz (see Napoli), and Pierzynski (35 currently). So Martin was among the best choices out there. Also, people want to see fan favorite McKenry be the starter, even though he struggled getting the bulk of the playing time when Barajas was hurt.

woot21 out dawgs

[BCVM22]

If your fellow Pirates fans keep harping on it, remind them that Brian McCann isn't a free agent, and if he were, he too would be priced out of the Pirates' budget.

[Joltik-Kid]

Well Sanchez apparently doesn't want to lower his expected 90 mil 6 year deal yet. The Tigers offered him a 48 mil 4 year contract, but he turned them down