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    I'll post my question at the top, the Celebi I have available has Hidden Power Water, should I change my ideal moveset to occupy a Water Hidden Power?
    or would that set work with Hidden Power water?

    Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Pursuit
    - Superpower
    - Crunch
    - Stone Edge

    Reuniclus @ Life Orb
    Trait: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 12 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Recover
    - Psyshock
    - Focus Blast

    Forretress @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Rapid Spin
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Spikes
    - Gyro Ball

    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 SDef
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Fang
    - Toxic
    - Protect

    Celebi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 68 Def / 188 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Hidden Power
    - Giga Drain
    - Nasty Plot
    - Recover

    Heatran @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 236 SDef / 8 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Lava Plume
    - Stealth Rock
    - Roar
    - Protect
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    Hidden power water would deal with fire types i suppose, so i son't see a problem
    But if i were you I'd get ride of earthquake on gliscor's set for substitute- he's the ultimate toxic stall then.
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    Leftovers > LIfe Orb on Reuniclus. The point of Calm Mind, those EVs and Recover is to accumulate 1 or more Calm Minds and then tank everything. Leftovers will be a big help.

    252 HP / 72 Spd / 180 Def on Gliscor. This spread outspeeds neutral base 70s like Breloom or Politoed while retaining much of your physical bulk.

    Hidden Power [Water] isn't the best, as it still leaves you walled by Dragon types and such. I can't help but find that Recover takes up a valuable moveslot here, especially when you already have a slow, bulky Psychic type attacker in Reuniclus. I'd go with this:

    Celebi@Leftovers
    Timid
    Natural Cure
    252 Spatk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
    -Nasty Plot
    -Giga Drain
    -Earth Power
    -Hidden Power [Ice](if possible)/Psyshock

    I'd think a fast setup sweeper benefits your team more.
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    I'm wondering, is this Competitive? Because Landorus tears this Team apart.

    Tyranitar; Earth Power or Focus Miss
    Reuniclus; U-Turn or Earth Power
    Forretress; Earth Power
    Gliscor; Hidden Power [Ice]
    Celebi; U-turn
    Heatran; Earth Power

    Assuming it uses those exact Moves, you're screwed. I'll help you out with this problem a little later on in this Rate.

    Leftovers > Choice Scarf on Tyranitar, and Fire Blast > Pursuit to hit Ferrothorn and co.

    Althought Gyro Ball is a solid STAB for Forretress, tbh Volt Switch is better for escaping Magnezone or just switching in an appropriate counter.

    Substitute > Ice Fang on StallScor, it allows it to further stall things that it outspeeds, and neutral Earthquake does more than 2x SE Ice Fang.

    Celebi just dosen't seem to do well with NP, as Scizor comes in, takes any of it's Attacks and can KO with Pursuit or U-turn, so I'd use 56 Hp / 252 SpA / 200 Spe to outspeed Mamoswine, and run Hidden Power [Ice] / Leaf Storm / Psychic / U-turn + Life Orb.

    I'd honestly scrap Celebi however as it does little to help with the Landorus problem and Scizor is all over it, leaving your Team very weak to Rain Teams once Celebi is removed. To remedy this and help with the Landorus problem, I'd run Scarf Keldeo with Hidden Power [Bug] / Surf / Secret Sword / Icy Wind > Celebi, Keldeo fears no Moves from Scizor and can OHKO Landorus lacking an RP Boost. It also annihilates Celebi on the switch in with Hidden Power [Bug].

    Hope this wall of text helps, haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aura Sensai View Post
    I'd honestly scrap Celebi however as it does little to help with the Landorus problem and Scizor is all over it, leaving your Team very weak to Rain Teams once Celebi is removed. To remedy this and help with the Landorus problem, I'd run Scarf Keldeo with Hidden Power [Bug] / Surf / Secret Sword / Icy Wind > Celebi, Keldeo fears no Moves from Scizor and can OHKO Landorus lacking an RP Boost. It also annihilates Celebi on the switch in with Hidden Power [Bug].
    I actually had a slight feeling of dread when you started talking about swapping Celebi, I really like Celebi. Easily in my top five favorite Pokemon, but I actually really enjoy Keldeo as well, not as much, but I can live with it. :3
    I really appreciate all your help, I saved everyones replies in a text document to keep in mind.

    Thanks again everyone.


    Aura Sensai: I was wondering if HP Bug is specifically to counter Celebi? or if that is built well for Keldeo to benefit the team as a whole, or if there's certain ones I should aim for?
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    Hidden Power [Bug] is meant to hit other Celebi as they switch in, but you can also use Hidden Power [Dark] or Hidden Power [Ghost] as they hit Jellicent and still hit Celebi for solid damage. However, Jellicent will most likely be weared down by all of the Hazards and Gliscor's Toxic, so it may not be as much of a problem, but just beware it walls Keldeo.
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    Tyranitar; Earth Power or Focus Miss
    Reuniclus; U-Turn or Earth Power
    Forretress; Earth Power
    Gliscor; Hidden Power [Ice]
    Celebi; U-turn
    Heatran; Earth Power
    *Implying Landorus would use Earth Power*. LO Sand Force Earthquake still 2KOes Forry, but thanks to that pesky Spdef boost only Earthquake has a chance to KO T-tar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aura Sensai View Post
    Hidden Power [Bug] is meant to hit other Celebi as they switch in, but you can also use Hidden Power [Dark] or Hidden Power [Ghost] as they hit Jellicent and still hit Celebi for solid damage. However, Jellicent will most likely be weared down by all of the Hazards and Gliscor's Toxic, so it may not be as much of a problem, but just beware it walls Keldeo.
    There aren't nearly enough Celebi running around to warrant using Hidden Power [Bug]. Use HP [Ghost] as after Icy Wind, only Jellicent can take Keldeo's STAB moves.
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    Yes, but, if the opponent has a Celebi they will switch it into Keldeo once they've determined it has a Scarf. iirc Jellicent and Celebi are the two most common switch-ins to Keldeo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aura Sensai View Post
    I'm wondering, is this Competitive? Because Landorus tears this Team apart.

    Tyranitar; Earth Power or Focus Miss
    Reuniclus; U-Turn or Earth Power
    Forretress; Earth Power
    Gliscor; Hidden Power [Ice]
    Celebi; U-turn
    Heatran; Earth Power
    uh, uturn and earth power are almost never found on the same set. Reuniclus walls the special variants, and forretress can tank the physical ones. in addition gliscor will check anything without hidden power, but that's not too reliable. landorus is a bit of an issue sure but it doesn't 'tear this team apart' lol.

    still think this team could use a revenge killer as a general thing though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aura Sensai View Post
    Yes, but, if the opponent has a Celebi they will switch it into Keldeo once they've determined it has a Scarf. iirc Jellicent and Celebi are the two most common switch-ins to Keldeo.
    Then predict that and use HP [Ghost], Icy Wind or even a double switch if you feel a bit ambitious. It's just that if the opponent doesn't have Celebi at all, then Hidden Power [Bug] is pretty much useless. iirc Celebi's usage is about 8% or something.
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    People still carry it a fair amount, and if it's running a Bulky set it's only 3HKOed with Hidden Power [Ghost]; but in return Celebi can 2HKO.

    Tyranitar may be able to deal with Celebi, but the offensive one's running Leaf Storm 2HKO.

    Wait, why am I bothering, everything I say is disregarded.
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    How's this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurath8 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aura Sensai View Post
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    Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf (Leftovers?)
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Fire Blast
    - Superpower
    - Crunch
    - Stone Edge

    Reuniclus @ Leftovers
    Trait: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 12 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Recover
    - Psyshock
    - Focus Blast

    Forretress @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Rapid Spin
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Spikes
    - Gyro Ball

    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP / 72 Spd / 180 Def
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Substitute (I agree with this)
    - Toxic
    - Protect

    Keldeo @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) / Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Hidden Power [Ghost]/[Bug]?
    - Secret Sword
    - Surf
    - Icy Wind


    Heatran @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 236 SDef / 8 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Lava Plume
    - Stealth Rock
    - Roar
    - Protect
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiraush View Post
    How's this?




    Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf (Leftovers?)
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Fire Blast
    - Superpower
    - Crunch
    - Stone Edge

    Reuniclus @ Leftovers
    Trait: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 12 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Recover
    - Psyshock
    - Focus Blast

    Forretress @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Rapid Spin
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Spikes
    - Gyro Ball

    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP / 72 Spd / 180 Def
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Substitute (I agree with this)
    - Toxic
    - Protect

    Keldeo @ Choice Specs?
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) / Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Hidden Power [Ghost]/[Ice]?
    - Secret Sword
    - Surf
    - Icy Wind


    Heatran @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 236 SDef / 8 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Lava Plume
    - Stealth Rock
    - Roar
    - Protect
    It's looking better, but as I've said I think a Scarf on Keldeo would benefit your Team better, as you also lack a Revenge Killer. Also use Hidden Power [Ghost] / [Bug] instead of Hidden Power [Ice], as you already have Icy Wind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aura Sensai View Post
    I think a Scarf on Keldeo would benefit your Team better, Also use Hidden Power [Ghost] / [Bug] instead of Hidden Power [Ice], as you already have Icy Wind.
    Oops, I meant to put Scarf. Thanks for catching that. :3

    I'll start looking for a good Keldeo ^^ Hopefully I can find one who fits the bill
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