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    Quote Originally Posted by cantab View Post
    A turn in which you are not hit might as well not be a turn at all. The AI almost never switches, and rarely boosts, so for all practical purposes in-game Dig, Fly, and Dive have few drawbacks. (Paralysis and Confusion give them big problems). Indeed, if your opponent is Poisoned or Burned, or using low PP attacks, the semi-invulnerability moves can be an advantage.

    And don't forget multiples. You can get one Pokemon out of the way, while the other uses a move that targets all Pokemon.

    That said, Fly's the only one I'd really use. I don't like Acrobatics because I like having items. (That said, Sharp Beak Fly falls just short of no item Acrobatics, and Life Orb and Choice Band aren't found outside the Battle Subway.) Not much gets Brave Bird, and other physical flying attacks are weak.
    Flying Gem Acrobatics. Boom you have an item. Happy now?

    Brave Bird is common enough. Skarmory, Staraptor, Honchkrow, Braviary, etc.

    Aerial Ace is stronger than Fly.

    2 x 60 Damage over two turns = 120 Damage, 180 with STAB

    1 x 90 Damage over two turns = 90, 135 with STAB.

    The missed turn is less efficient. That is a huge drawback and never an advantage. The situations you mentioned are as rare as the turn not mattering at all. Dig is always worse than Earthquake. Fly is always worse than Acrobatics/Brave Bird. Dive is always worse than Surf.

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    I can't help but think that having a section on the various commonly used move typing combinations would a great addition to this guide.

    Just a few off the top of my head. I'll probably expand on these with info and examples later.

    And I'm not including Shedinja in any of these calculations of how many Pokemon resist something.

    "QuakeEdge" / psuedo-QuakeEdge (obvs): The use of Earthquake and Stone Edge together was extremely common during Gen 4, but the combination of Rock + Ground as been a staple since the beginning of the Pokemon franchise. Bronzong, Claydol, Torterra, Breloom, and Virizion are the only Pokemon that resist this.

    "BoltBeam" / psuedo-BoltBeam (duh): The original common move combo, BoltBeam is Thunderbolt + Ice Beam, or any combination of Electric + Ice. Only resisted by Magnezone and Magneton, Lightningrod Seaking, and Volt Absorb Lanturn, iirc.

    Water + Normal: Resisted by Empoleon, Giratina, and Dialgia, but hits everything else neutrally. One of the most common combinations out there; i.e. Waterfall + Return.

    Water + Rock: Commonly used by Pokemon wielding both STABs like Kabutops, or Pokemon like Tyranitar and Aggron who need a decent coverage move against Ground-types. Hits everything but Water Absorb Quagsire, Storm Drain Gastrodon, Poliwrath, Kerudio, Breloom, and Virizion.

    Water + Flying: Hits everything but Magnezone and Magneton, Lanturn, Dialgia, Empoleon, and Wash Rotom at least neutrally. Not exactly the best combination, but it does work quite well in certain circumstances in place of Water + Normal, Water + Rock, or Water + Dragon.

    Water + Dragon: Only resisted by Empoleon. Another excellent one.

    Fire + Dragon: Only resisted by Heatran. Quite possibly one of the best type combinations out there, it's excellent in places like the Battle Subway.

    Dragon + Ground / "DracoQuake": One of Garchomp's favorites, but also commonly used by the other Dragons. Resisted by Bronzong and Skarmory, but hits everything else for neutral damage.

    Ghost + Fighting: Arguably the best type combination in the game, there's not a single Pokemon that can resist both Ghost- and Fighting-type moves at the same time.

    Dark + Fighting: Hits everything but Heracross and Toxicroak for neutral damage, iirc.

    Fighting + Flying: Roughly the same as Ground + Flying, but it hits all but four fully evolved Pokemon in the game for neutral damage.

    Ground + Flying: Hits every type neutrally, and all but five fully evolved Pokemon in the game (iirc) for at least Neutral damage. I'm not counting multiple Rotom formes here.

    Fighting + Rock: Basically the same as QuakeEdge, only with slightly different SE coverage.

    Fighting + Ice: Basically the same as Ground + Ice, only with different SE coverage.

    Ground + Ice: If anything, it's even better than QuakeEdge because Ground + Ice hits 9 types for SE damange, while QuakeEdge only hits 8.

    Water + Poison: Yes, I know Poison is a horrible typing for both offense and Defense, but it does get decent neutral coverage with Water-type moves. On certain Pokemon, it's better than Water + Normal.

    That's all I can think of atm, anybody else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlueRabbit View Post
    I was surprised that no-one picked up on this sooner, tbh. It is true that there are no known figures or statistics relating to hax, since as far as I know it's never been looked into so really the whole thing is, to an extent, luck. But I can only believe in the idea of luck so far. The kind of things I hear and experience so often from my chats with other IGRMTers are simply ridiculous. Working out numbers it's not uncommon for the AI to hit circumstances that have a several-thousand to one chance. While it is true (as you mentioned in your last post itt) that the player occasionally gets lucky, I find it completely undeniable that the AI does something to increase the chance of otherwise incredibly unlikely outcomes, even if they are in your favour. I feel that a player must be ready for these times, whether or not they believe in them.
    Sometimes I am also astounded at how much Hax luck the AIs have but I also wonder if it's just mental: Maybe it just feels like it's more when it's to your disadvantage.

    Plus, the AI computers utilize Hax so much that it's going to yield more results than a player who doesn't rely on it.


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    another question about hax is if it gets worse the further you go or if it stays the same but seems to get worse due to the pokemon been stronger

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    Quote Originally Posted by soybtree View Post
    another question about hax is if it gets worse the further you go or if it stays the same but seems to get worse due to the pokemon been stronger
    Big difference between battle 1 hax and battle 80 hax.


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    It maybe feels worse because you are further up?

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    I haven't actually reached 80 (I did in BT), but I've reached 74, so I'm just guessing.


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    The thing is in the first 20 or so i'm just focused on sweeping and not giving the opponent a chance so it can be hard to tell. In BW i've only got to 43 or something with my heartgold team i transferred over i hope i can get further with my new one though

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    In the first 30, you seem to be able to sweep them 3-0.


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    can some one help nwith my team
    jumpluff- leech seed sub. bounce toxic
    golem-SR sub. toxic earthqauke
    blissey-softboiled recover thunderwave ice beam
    ferrothorn-spikes leech seed power whip gyro ball
    lanturn sub water fall toxic ice beam
    lucario sub swords dance stone edge close combat
    plz dnt hold back i need mayjor help with my team
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    ^ Please post your team in it's own thread, but make sure to read the
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    ^Click it!^

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    Quick update here.

    The Team Building Guide by myself and the Raters' Guide by Kerech have been merged together (after some awfully sloppy moderation by joe ¬¬) into this one thread. Questions related to the content of the guides should be directed to this thread from now on, please! If you'd like to make suggestions or corrections for these guides, then this thread is going to stay open to take them.

    Thanks!

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    Special thanks to this lot for helping me out in the creation of this guide, be it from writing for it or just correcting spelling mistakes. In no particular order;

    AlCario, Eon Master, Shuckle, Kerech, SapphireL, Archangel, foxyman1167, Bossk, Shine, Soroft, YOOMTAH, Aurawarrior8.
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    Iirc it was just spelling corrections lmao.

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    You forgot to add the two-turn moves.

    Two Turn Moves
    Dig
    SolarBeam
    Dive

    Focus Punch is not a two turn move.

    I think that's all but I may have forgotten a few
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aura Sensai View Post
    You forgot to add the two-turn moves.

    Two Turn Moves
    Dig
    SolarBeam
    Dive

    Focus Punch is not a two turn move.

    I think that's all but I may have forgotten a few
    Additionally, First Turn charge moves should be avoided for the same reason. They are Dive, Dig, Fly, Razor Wind, Sky Attack, Skull Bash, Solarbeam, and Shadow Force. Focus Punch is not one of these moves.
    got 'em already. although i might as well as change the wording around a bit to give them their own section or summat.

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    Guys,to share my opinion,Smogon is a great place for this stuff but you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Just saying it really helps.
    My team is pretty good with Serebii AND Smogon's help.

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    ^Smogon does have some helpful articles on the Battle Tower and Random Matchup, but is largely centred on competitive pokemon while we focus mainly on a regular in-game playthrough.
    Their analysis' do provide an in-depth look at pokemon but competitive and in-game do have several big differences and certain tactics such as stall aren't nearly as effective in-game. I won't deny that Smogon is a good site but as a resource for in-game it falls flat.

    Personally, I prefer Serebii since it has pokemon locations, levelup moves, TMs and HMs and a lot of other things that are important for in-game playthroughs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huspoel View Post
    You're saying some really smart stuff there.

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    Default Team building

    Hi, i am new and this is my first post. And before you go thinking i am a nube, i have completed the national pokedex. I just need a little advice. My current team, or the one i will create, has a samurott, dusknoir, zoroark, and archeops.
    I have done pretty well with move diversity but have yet to EV train them, and i need to know which stats to boost and suggestions for two more Pokemon to put on my team. If you want to email me( yeah, right), my email is jamiecaron1998@icloud.com. No caps. Please write back!

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    good guide 7/10

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    I am doing a regular White 2 playthrough. I want to finish the game to do the aftergame stuff and to competitive battle.

    I want to have a good team and enjoy beating the Elite 4. My current team is:
    Snivy lv. 55- @Draco Plate- Leaf Blade, Coil, Giga Drain, Dragon Rush
    Ampharos lv. 55 @Scope Lens- Thunder Wave, Confuse Ray, Discharge, Thunderpunch
    Vespiquen lv. 55 @ Flying Gem- Acrobatics, Attack Order, Defend Order, Cut
    Starmie lv. 55 @Mystic Water- Psychic, Waterfall, Surf, Toxic
    Camerupt lv. 55 @Quick Claw- Flamethrower, Earthquake, Strength, Will-O-Wisp
    Mienshao lv. 55 @Shell Bell- Fake Out, U-Turn, Jump Kick, Double Hit

    I have a flyer but it is not part of my main team. I wonder if I should train up Braviary instead of Vespiquen, but here are my concerns.

    -I love using Vespiquen, I haven't used it too much before.
    -I do not know if I will have enough type coverage for psychics if I use Braviary instead.
    -The only problem I have with Vespiquen is that it's not too powerful and it is kind of slow.

    What should I use? I would love to have Braviary because he is powerful and can learn fly.

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    ^ You should make your own Thread for your Team, really.
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