The Call of Duty Thread

[AJ]

Got so pist today got killed by a ****ing grenade launcher from across the map on turbine that bounced twice off of crap.

That actually takes skill to do. Most ricochet noob tubes are really hard to get. Plus the nade launcher isn't that strong in this game, at least it wasn't a hunter killer.

if everything is overpowered is everything really overpowered?

Amen. Why most people complain about MW2 perks and attachments and less about guns. Almost everything was ****ing overpowered.

[Cometk]

Learn to read:

It's not even possible to snipe anymore. You simply can't beat an assault rifle with no recoil with anything other than another OP weapon.

i know damn well what i read.

don't expect me to scrounge the thread for every minute detail when you could've been concise about what you meant in one post.

[Moneyy]

i know damn well what i read.

don't expect me to scrounge the thread for every minute detail when you could've been concise about what you meant in one post.

Stop trying to blame it on me. You should have read all my posts on the topic before you hastily jump to conclusions.

[Cometk]

You should have read all my posts on the topic before you hastily jump to conclusions.

fair point

but can we stop? snipers from what i've seen are fine in this game. because of the reduced damage automatic weapons do at range now you just have to avoid cqc and you should be fine. even at that you still have the potential to one-hit kill him if your quickscope is center mass.

[AJ]

fair point

but can we stop? snipers from what i've seen are fine in this game. because of the reduced damage automatic weapons do at range now you just have to avoid cqc and you should be fine. even at that you still have the potential to one-hit kill him if your quickscope is center mass.

Exactly. They don't want overpowered shotgun snipers like the intervention or MSR, but they also don't want them all to be like the snipers in BO1 at launch. I'm happy that my shotgun doesn't lose to the DSR at point blank....sometimes. It's all in the name of balance. Use it like a normal sniper and you'll be fine.

[*IZ*]

fair point

but can we stop? snipers from what i've seen are fine in this game. because of the reduced damage automatic weapons do at range now you just have to avoid cqc and you should be fine. even at that you still have the potential to one-hit kill him if your quickscope is center mass.

Wait are you guys now arguing about BO2? Cometk doesn't even have it yet so how would that work.

[Moneyy]

fair point

but can we stop? snipers from what i've seen are fine in this game. because of the reduced damage automatic weapons do at range now you just have to avoid cqc and you should be fine. even at that you still have the potential to one-hit kill him if your quickscope is center mass.

Like IZ said, you don't have BO2, and you wouldn't truly understand how bad snipers are unless you've used them extensively. And trust me, it's much harder to quickscope in this game for various reasons.

Exactly. They don't want overpowered shotgun snipers like the intervention or MSR, but they also don't want them all to be like the snipers in BO1 at launch. I'm happy that my shotgun doesn't lose to the DSR at point blank....sometimes. It's all in the name of balance. Use it like a normal sniper and you'll be fine.

The MSR or Intervention were not overpowered at all. Also, if by using snipers "like a normal sniper" means sitting in a corner and camping the whole game, then I guess I will never be normal.

[[ACE] Zero]

Also, if by using snipers "like a normal sniper" means sitting in a corner and camping the whole game, then I guess I will never be normal.

That would be the only definition of a normal sniper (except those who camp indoors) those who run around a map or sit in a corner indoors are not sniper's by definition.

[Cometk]

Exactly. They don't want overpowered shotgun snipers like the intervention or MSR

those snipers are completely fine. you put on a sniper for one game and try to play cqc and quickscope, you're gonna get your **** pushed in 90% of the time. having a sniper rifle in close range is no end-all be-all guarantee you'll win. you have one shot, you **** up you die.

Like IZ said, you don't have BO2, and you wouldn't truly understand how bad snipers are unless you've used them extensively. And trust me, it's much harder to quickscope in this game for various reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlMhwXbHmGY

guess i been hanging around 402thunder402's twitter too much.

[Moneyy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlMhwXbHmGY

guess i been hanging around 402thunder402's twitter too much.

1. That guy sucks dick. He keeps missing from close range with a shotgun, which is his fault, not the game's fault.

2. The no scope kills were luck, and the snipers no scope ability was nerfed in the recent patch.

3. Those snipers were actually pretty good. Ignoring the fact that the guy kept missing at point-blank range with his shotgun, it is pretty hard to quickscope in this game.

Overall, that usually never happens in BO2. That video is a complete misrepresentation of the actual gameplay.

[*IZ*]

Yea don't think you know a lot from a game just by watching videos of it.

[AJ]

Yea don't think you know a lot from a game just by watching videos of it.

true, true. But I honestly think that if you're going to use a sniper like a shotgun, just use a shotgun. Treyarch does a good job of balancing each gun to their own specified niche. Snipers in Treyarch games are meant for long range, but BO2 was a compromise between IW snipers (which you think are normal, but most non-snipers find OP) and BO1 snipers (which were underpowered prepatch but I think were good afterwards). Most quickscopers want the snipers to be so powerful that they beat shotguns at CQC. IW might do that but I doubt Treyarch will. Long story short, if you want OP snipers (or what you consider "good") then play an IW game. Treyarch won't cater to just the quickscopers and trickshotters.

[Moneyy]

Anyone who thinks snipers in MW2 and MW3 are overpowered is just simply wrong. It takes a lot of work and practice to get good at quickscoping, and you make it seem like you can just pick up a sniper and quickscope like a pro.

I've already explained that quickscoping is not overpowered, and I'm not going to waste my time explaining it again since I know you won't listen.

[DucksGoMooful]

true, true. But I honestly think that if you're going to use a sniper like a shotgun, just use a shotgun. Treyarch does a good job of balancing each gun to their own specified niche. Snipers in Treyarch games are meant for long range, but BO2 was a compromise between IW snipers (which you think are normal, but most non-snipers find OP) and BO1 snipers (which were underpowered prepatch but I think were good afterwards). Most quickscopers want the snipers to be so powerful that they beat shotguns at CQC. IW might do that but I doubt Treyarch will. Long story short, if you want OP snipers (or what you consider "good") then play an IW game. Treyarch won't cater to just the quickscopers and trickshotters.

But you can't use Snipers any other way. They've made it impossible to camp, with every location in every map having multiple entrances. Camping is what makes snipers useful, but you can't do that nor can you quick-scope which people have discovered to make snipers actually useful at all in the game.

[AJ]

Anyone who thinks snipers in MW2 and MW3 are overpowered is just simply wrong. It takes a lot of work and practice to get good at quickscoping, and you make it seem like you can just pick up a sniper and quickscope like a pro.

I've already explained that quickscoping is not overpowered, and I'm not going to waste my time explaining it again since I know you won't listen.

I never said that you could just pick one up and get good at quickscoping. But you see many more quickscopers in IW games for a reason. Treyarch isn't the developer to the game that quickscoping originated, and they don't seem to think that snipers should be used as shotguns. Even by the experienced snipers. And ducks, there's a reason for shock charges, betties, and trophy systems And when you're using a sniper it's not really camping. Snipers were created to kill the birds called snipes because they couldn't get too close or it would fly away, and if they tried to shoot a normal rifle they would miss. They didn't run up to the birds and quickscope or no-scope it. That defeats the purpose of the gun. Like I said before, Treyarch gives each class of gun a unique niche. And they do what they do based on average stats of so many players....they don't ask people "hey what gun is too weak?" They use the real stats to figure it out. Snipers were over performing so they got nerfed. Simple as that.

[Moneyy]

I know I'm just repeating myself, and I know you'll never understand, but I will say it again: snipers were never "over performing," and snipers were never overpowered.

Also, you bring up the point of the purpose of sniper rifles IN REAL LIFE. There is a big difference between snipers in real life and snipers in video games. Real life snipers sit for hours, even days, in one spot until they kill their target. But would you like to do that in a video game? The answer is no. Don't even try to compare real life snipers to video game snipers.

[AJ]

I understand exactly what you are saying, but that is your opinion and they got nerfed for a reason. But "over performing" by whose standards? Yours? Mine? Neither. I will repeat myself again. The snipers were over performing based on Treyarch's math results. Not what I think or what you think. A person is biased towards certain weapons based on if they use them or if they annoy them ect. Math isn't biased. The math told them the data, from which they determined a nerf was needed. That's all that happened. And I know video games are not realistic, but snipers in CoD were not created in the "shotgun" class of weapon, correct?

[Moneyy]

I understand exactly what you are saying, but that is your opinion and they got nerfed for a reason. But "over performing" by whose standards? Yours? Mine? Neither. I will repeat myself again. The snipers were over performing based on Treyarch's math results. Not what I think or what you think. A person is biased towards certain weapons based on if they use them or if they annoy them ect. Math isn't biased. The math told them the data, from which they determined a nerf was needed. That's all that happened.

What bullsh*t math? Post proof.

And I know video games are not realistic, but snipers in CoD were not created in the "shotgun" class of weapon, correct?

How are they like shotguns? Quickscoping takes a certain amount of skill, even from close range.

[AJ]

https://twitter.com/DavidVonderhaar/...86128006369280
If you want I can go search for the video in which treyarch talks about the "Black Box" that allows them to see this math and make changes to the game directly.

On a side note, I think it would be a good idea to enlist AoW in any clan operation since we get no penalty for not doing it. We missed 2 of them this weekend and there's a TDM and Kill Confirmed one for next weekend.

[Moneyy]

That's not what I mean. I want to see the specific math results that determined that snipers are overpowered, and I'm not going to just take Vonderhaar's word for it. I don't see in any way how math could help them determine that snipers are overpowered.