The Call of Duty Thread

[AJ]

That's not what I mean. I want to see the specific math results that determined that snipers are overpowered, and I'm not going to just take Vonderhaar's word for it. I don't see in any way how math could help them determine that snipers are overpowered.

You actually think they'd release that information because one person on a random forum who's theme is in no way associated with CoD is angry about the nerf and demands proof?
Good luck with that.

[DucksGoMooful]

I never said that you could just pick one up and get good at quickscoping. But you see many more quickscopers in IW games for a reason. Treyarch isn't the developer to the game that quickscoping originated, and they don't seem to think that snipers should be used as shotguns. Even by the experienced snipers. And ducks, there's a reason for shock charges, betties, and trophy systems And when you're using a sniper it's not really camping. Snipers were created to kill the birds called snipes because they couldn't get too close or it would fly away, and if they tried to shoot a normal rifle they would miss. They didn't run up to the birds and quickscope or no-scope it. That defeats the purpose of the gun. Like I said before, Treyarch gives each class of gun a unique niche. And they do what they do based on average stats of so many players....they don't ask people "hey what gun is too weak?" They use the real stats to figure it out. Snipers were over performing so they got nerfed. Simple as that.

First of all, I went into MW3 with no quick-scoping experience but I was able to very quickly learn how to quick-scope pretty well, and I did alright whenever I went to my friend's house to play. Moving on.

You're saying, okay, snipers should be used the way they're used in real life (albeit slightly modified) but it's too hard to do that. Betties, shock charges, and trophy systems are fine, but whenever I use them and try to stay in one area and snipe, I always end up getting killed because of the many entrances to every area on every map, which I can't keep an eye on at all times. Not to mention the fact that they nerfed Ghost to near-useless status, gave players Millimeter-scanners, and other things that prevent camping, using a sniper the way you're suggesting is harder than ever, but you think that by just using a tactical grenade or "camping grenade" as I call them, you'll be able to do well with them. That's just not true.

[Moneyy]

You actually think they'd release that information because one person on a random forum who's theme is in no way associated with CoD is angry about the nerf and demands proof?
Good luck with that.

So there is no proof. Figures.

Despite what Treyarch's "math team" says, the truth is that snipers are way too underpowered when compared to regular guns. I know that Treyarch will not buff the snipers, even though they clearly need a buff. Snipers were perfectly fine in MW2 and MW3, but Treyarch just doesn't understand how sniping works in Call of Duty on the same level that Infinity Ward does.

Anyway, this argument is going nowhere because neither you nor I have substantial proof to back up our claims. Some people will side with Treyarch, some will not. Also, I got diamond for all the snipers, so I'm not mad because I'm just bad at sniping.

[AJ]

I'll admit that camping has been nerfed, and in most cases that's a good thing, but you're right with all the entrances. I've seen campers with claymorex2 and shock charges that scavenge from the enemies that get shocked and just keep putting things down. I'd say snipers bet fit maps like turbine which have rooms with one entrance, but are easily accessible to nades. The perches on that map and places like plaza have 1 way in, but 10000 ways to throw nades. Which is why I said trophies. Albiet they will fail alot, they can help! Sniping did get more difficult than in previous games, but you're comparing 2 different game developers. Saying that MW3 had it this way and BO2 doesn't isn't stating much. Treyarch is not IW and visa versa.

EDIT: @moneyy our argument is based on lack of proof and an excess of opinion. I'll admit that much. Vonderhaar is feeding us facts that we have no evidence of. He may be telling the truth or he may pull another BO1 by saying that the PS3 and PC versions were not ported versions of Xbox, which he later admitted that they were.

EDIT2: Anyone not able to edit custom classes on elite because it says you haven't met one of these requirements? http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/...9at34723PM.png

[DucksGoMooful]

Alright, here's a change of topic, since I know I'm right and you won't admit it :P
Is the Dual Band scope any good? I haven't used it very much, but I'm thinking about starting to use it.

[AJ]

I said camping is harder, but not that you were right lol

And I like dual band on the HAMR, and since grip does nothing in this game, Quickdraw+Dual Band HAMR ftw. And cold blooded people are still easy to see. Anyone wanna answer my question about elite?

[DucksGoMooful]

^ Whether you tell me or not, we both know I'm right and you're wrong. You may as well admit it.

Anyway, I can't do it either, but that doesn't really bother me because I never wanted to do it anyway.

[AJ]

^ Whether you tell me or not, we both know I'm right and you're wrong. You may as well admit it.

Anyway, I can't do it either, but that doesn't really bother me because I never wanted to do it anyway.

Lol whatever xD and I just wanted to make colored custom classes that's all lol.

[[ACE] Zero]

Clan Announcement

Ok pause on the "Sniping" issue at the moment, we have been enlisted in the following Clan Ops ---> http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/.../BOEnlist2.png

And ---> http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/.../BOEnlist1.png

You all have about 5 day's to get ready, let's do our best and start dominating!

[Cometk]

1. That guy sucks dick. He keeps missing from close range with a shotgun, which is his fault, not the game's fault.

rewatch 0:44 of that video. he clearly aims for the guys belly while ads'ing for the best possible spread and gets a hitmarker. he then makes a relatively sloppy second shot because he had turned away thinking the sniper would've been dead but nonetheless his aim is still centered on the sniper and he gets another hitmarker, to which, through the flinch, the sniper still manages to quickscope him.

[Moneyy]

rewatch 0:44 of that video. he clearly aims for the guys belly while ads'ing for the best possible spread and gets a hitmarker. he then makes a relatively sloppy second shot because he had turned away thinking the sniper would've been dead but nonetheless his aim is still centered on the sniper and he gets another hitmarker, to which, through the flinch, the sniper still manages to quickscope him.

He gets hitmarkers because he is shooting from to far away. But yes, he does miss a lot.

[AJ]

He gets hitmarkers because he is shooting from to far away. But yes, he does miss a lot.

Pre-patch the remington was a 1 shot kill from 11-13 meters (long barrel) if all the pellets connected. When you ADS you get a much tighter pellet spread. I don't know what gunfight in the video this is, but if he aims down sight at the person from a short to somewhat short distance with that gun it should have been a 1shot kill. (if the video is pre-patch of course)

[Mr.Billehh]

Clan Announcement

Ok pause on the "Sniping" issue at the moment, we have been enlisted in the following Clan Ops ---> http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/.../BOEnlist2.png

And ---> http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/.../BOEnlist1.png

You all have about 5 day's to get ready, let's do our best and start dominating!

Let's create a party with the all of us then go cause if we all go our own then we will get dominated.

[*IZ*]

Actually no, rangerdude. If you guys play together you will each be taking each others kills. But if you all play separately you will all be getting more kills. It's better do to clan challenges by yourself or with a party not with anyone in the clan. (if it's a get a certain amount of kills challenge)

[ShinyUmbreon189]

Whats your guy's opinions on lag compensation? Do you think it should be removed or do you think it's good? I think it should be removed cos it takes the skill out of the game. Black Ops, MW3, and BlOps 2 takes not skill to get a kill. It all depends on who has the worse connection. If you got 5 bars your gonna get robbed constantly cos of it. Where if you got 3 bars your gonna rob the person win 4 and especially 5. With lag compensation the person with a lower connection bar will see the person with a higher connection bar. Ever notice you got 5 bars and you see someone with 3 and shoot them with 8 bullets first and they turn around to instant kill you? Well, that's what lag compensation. 90% of the time someone with a higher connection will get ****ed in the ***. It completely takes the skill out. BlOps2 is so brutal that it's unplayable for me cos I got high speed internet, but I shouldn't nor the person with 3 should be at an advantage/disadvantage, but I guess they don't give a **** about us, they just want money. Lazy ****s are too greedy to get dedicated servers. So I hate CoD.

[Ignika]

I doubt anyone likes Lag compensation, excluding people with bad connections that really benefit from it.

Lag Compensation itself is a good idea, but it didn't work right. It was supposed to balance the connections, but all it did was screw over everything.

By the way, Treyarch needs to sort themselves out. I was on round 14 on TranZit with some good randoms, with two PAP'd guns, loads of points, four perks, pretty much all set. Then it fucking froze. That is horseshit, and shouldn't happen.

[ShinyUmbreon189]

Yea well I got super fast internet and I get ****ed over cos of it. MW2 my K/D was almost 2.0 in Black Ops it's like .84 and MW3 it's even worse. But when I play at a buddys house my K/D improves. He's got a slower internet than I do and it pisses me off that I get screwed over for paying extra a month for better internet. Actually they should just take it out and if you got crappy connection, oh well. Cos it's not fair at all. I can't play CoD anymore. Cod 4-Mw2 is hacker filled and Blops-Blops2 is screwed by lag compensation. So I can't play CoD anymore unless I get bad internet. Ugh, its makes no goddamn sense.`

[Cometk]

I think it should be removed cos it takes the skill out of the game. Black Ops, MW3, and BlOps 2 takes not skill to get a kill.

that's not how it works

[DucksGoMooful]

Yea well I got super fast internet and I get ****ed over cos of it. MW2 my K/D was almost 2.0 in Black Ops it's like .84 and MW3 it's even worse. But when I play at a buddys house my K/D improves. He's got a slower internet than I do and it pisses me off that I get screwed over for paying extra a month for better internet. Actually they should just take it out and if you got crappy connection, oh well. Cos it's not fair at all. I can't play CoD anymore. Cod 4-Mw2 is hacker filled and Blops-Blops2 is screwed by lag compensation. So I can't play CoD anymore unless I get bad internet. Ugh, its makes no goddamn sense.`

Maybe you should stop acting so entitled and hypocritical and just live with it. You're complaining that you're getting a bad connection while saying that there should be no compensation and that other people with bad connections should just deal with it. Follow your own logic. It's completely fair that people should be allowed to have a good chance at winning. You should just deal with a bit of lag and be thankful you can even play at all. Who cares about K/D? My connection sucks and my K/D is about 0.9 but I'm not complaining.

[[ACE] Zero]

By the way, Treyarch needs to sort themselves out. I was on round 14 on TranZit with some good randoms, with two PAP'd guns, loads of points, four perks, pretty much all set. Then it fucking froze. That is horseshit, and shouldn't happen.

I have been saying this over and over before ;_;

Yea well I got super fast internet and I get ****ed over cos of it. MW2 my K/D was almost 2.0 in Black Ops it's like .84 and MW3 it's even worse. But when I play at a buddys house my K/D improves. He's got a slower internet than I do and it pisses me off that I get screwed over for paying extra a month for better internet. Actually they should just take it out and if you got crappy connection, oh well. Cos it's not fair at all. I can't play CoD anymore. Cod 4-Mw2 is hacker filled and Blops-Blops2 is screwed by lag compensation. So I can't play CoD anymore unless I get bad internet. Ugh, its makes no goddamn sense.`

Lol, there is an option to connect to people with only the best connection in Black Ops 2, have you even bothered with that option? Lol and it take's a bit longer to find a match but it's worth it. Also maybe you should look up Grammar Classes with your "High-Speed Internet" since you badly need them

that's not how it works

Agreed.

Maybe you should stop acting so entitled and hypocritical and just live with it. You're complaining that you're getting a bad connection while saying that there should be no compensation and that other people with bad connections should just deal with it. Follow your own logic. It's completely fair that people should be allowed to have a good chance at winning. You should just deal with a bit of lag and be thankful you can even play at all. Who cares about K/D? My connection sucks and my K/D is about 0.9 but I'm not complaining.

Only try-hard's and immature people (im my experience) care about K/D, it's all about SPM.