The Battle According to Lenora (674)

[garfield15]

This episode could just as easily had Brock in Dento's place at the gym, and you wouldn't have known the difference at all-and that's very, very, very, very bad.

Ah, but you wouldn't have gotten the Sommelier discussion or the sparkles. Seriously, if it was Brock, you wouldn't have had that FABULOUS moment at all and just short things like that are all I need to separate the two.

What I didn't like was 2 things. One was where Ash started jumping for joy at how Piplup's cousin managed to defend against the thunderbolt by using its shell. As we saw later on in the episode, if that thunderbolt had landed, it would have been a KO. I don't see why Ash would be excited over dodging a hit that he has to dodge.

Well, because it wasn't dodging. It was blocking. Satoshi always gets happy over "my pokemon can do stuff yours can't" stuff. And there isn't anything wrong with psyching Miju up.

[Raichu:)]

i like the pics of the ep, but ash seriously needs to toughen up i mean all these regions and can't give pokemon proper moves lol.

also stop callin ash satoshi. we all know hes called ash grr

[00poke_maniac]

Ah, but you wouldn't have gotten the Sommelier discussion or the sparkles. Seriously, if it was Brock, you wouldn't have had that FABULOUS moment at all and just short things like that are all I need to separate the two.

This. That was pretty much my favorite part of this whole episode. (don't get me wrong, I liked the episode, but atm Gym Battles are boring me ^^; )

I laughed at what sounded like Aloe calling Dento "Sommelier Boy" X3 another part I loved about the episode was Yorterri. It's sooooo cute!! It reminds me of my dogs so much XDDDD being all hyper and friendly and wagging it's tail then suddenly GRRRRRRRRRRR xDDDDDDDD

[gliscor&yanmega]

That would explain why she used roar. Because if Ash chose before the battle then that would make sense then.

But unless the Poke balls and Pokemon (Yorterri) and moves are really sentient (as in it's roar attack). Even if Ash chose Tepig and Oshawott, why would roar work as it was intended to do so? Seems like it would only work if Ash's other Pokemon were in his backpack and not on him.

Then again I wondered why there was a scene showing Ash holding two Poke balls.

I assume that scene with Ash holding two of his Pokeballs was implying(Or actually saying(I don't understand Japanese so I don't know what was said)) he selected those two to battle. Don't know what else it could mean.

Also, I think Roar would just call out another Pokemon the opponent was going to use. So the Pokemon Ash planned not using wouldn't be affected just the other Pokemon Ash planned to use, in this case it was Oshawott.

It's hard to say really since we don't always get an explanation and it's mainly just implication.

i like the pics of the ep, but ash seriously needs to toughen up i mean all these regions and can't give pokemon proper moves lol.

also stop callin ash satoshi. we all know hes called ash grr

First off, any move can be used to a degree where any of them can destroy you. So Ember and Tackle while not the greatest for in-game, they can knock out 5 Pokemon at once in the anime(I'm exaggerating(Then again I think moves have been used in the anime to take down a bunch of Pokemon at once...)).

Second off, Ash has "given" most if not all his Pokemon decent and/or proper and/or power moves in terms of in-game power. It's just it's done later, which is very reasonable since most of the Pokemon seem to lack experience from the start so their is a ton of potential down the road for them. Also, a lot of the time it's not even the trainer's decision to "give" a Pokemon a move, it just happens on it's own, at less that's how it usually is in Ash's case. But still, Ash hasn't had his Pokemon(Besides Pikachu) for that long yet so he's still getting use to them and such.

Third off, Ash will be training next episode with Tepig and Oshawott, which in turn will toughen them and him up.

Fourth off, Satoshi is Ash's Japanese name, so people have the right to use it since it is his name. Now if they were calling Ash "Bob" then that would be an incorrect name and would be a variety of things. Although they can call him "Bob" if they like there is no law against it, but it would be incorrect and would lead to possible confusion and overall just make the people calling Ash "Bob" rather ignorant. But regardless, calling him Satoshi is a choice and people can call that if they like, especially since it is his name.

[00poke_maniac]

Fourth off, Satoshi is Ash's Japanese name, so people have the right to use it since it is his name. Now if they were calling Ash "Bob" then that would be an incorrect name and would be a variety of things. Although they can call him "Bob" if they like there is no law against it, but it would be incorrect and would lead to possible confusion and overall just make the people calling Ash "Bob" rather ignorant. But regardless, calling him Satoshi is a choice and people can call that if they like, especially since it is his name.

Well.....in the second Pokemon movie DUB he did say he wished his mom named him Bob instead of Ash. XDDDD but I agree. I think people should be able to call Ash Satoshi if they'd like, coz after all that is his name. (so.......can we start calling him Bob too? jk)

[Chill92]

So 2-0 huh? Well Aloe's strategy was extremly good, forcing Miju out to use her Mirhogo's thunderbolt against it. Then removing the shell brilliant. When it was spinning around like that, it kinda reminded me of counter shield technique lol. Yorterry was a toughie too. I thought it was gonna evolve this ep

Team Rocket being cool as usual :P
I'm really wondering if the lid and wing fossils are connected with that meteorite.

[Teshub]

So 2-0 huh? Well Aloe's strategy was extremly good, forcing Miju out to use her Mirhogo's thunderbolt against it. Then removing the shell brilliant. When it was spinning around like that, it kinda reminded me of counter shield technique lol. Yorterry was a toughie too. I thought it was gonna evolve this ep

Looked to me more like the writers making Ash lose the battle (hence the training episode) without making his pokemon look like complete losers. I also find it interesting how some people who haven't even seen the full episode, only screenscaps, are assuring us the gym episodes are so much better than anything than was ever done in DP. Gotta love feigned demagoguery.

[garfield15]

Looked to me more like the writers making Ash lose the battle (hence the training episode) without making his pokemon look like complete losers. I also find it interesting how some people who haven't even seen the full episode, only screenscaps, are assuring us the gym episodes are so much better than anything than was ever done in DP. Gotta love feigned demagoguery.

Or maybe the full episode has been out for like 8 hours now so at this point, it's been well seen and you just can't accept that people think differently from you.

[Teshub]

Or maybe the full episode has been out for like 8 hours now so at this point, it's been well seen and you just can't accept that people think differently from you.

Hey friend, Im just telling it how it is. Like gliscor&yanmega talking about how this was such a great episode just by looking at the screencaps.

[Juputoru]

-Looks like the OP is staying as-is for a while. No new silouettes for us!
-All these bookshelves are giving me horrible flashbacks to doing this gym in the games. So many questions, such nonexistant ability to read Japanese!
-Why are they getting derailed with Dento's talk of Pokemon Sommeliers?
-I sympathize with how confused Ash is right now.
-Oh, of COURSE the first book Ash tries is the right one.
-...did Aloe just call Dento "sommelier boy"?
-Seriously, what the hell is everyone saying. I'm totally lost.
-Gym battle time at last!
-Iris thinks Yorterrie is adorable. Of course.
-The fact that that one guy is calling his WIFE "Mama" still freaks me out.
-Aloe IS calling Dento "sommelier boy"! That's great. As is Dento being completely ~fabulous~ in the previous scene.
-Ash sends out Pokabu, but Aloe has her Yorterrie roar it away! Thus accomplishing...uh...something.
-Awww, lookit Mijumaru's -_- face right after it gets sent out.
-And now Mirhog used Mean Eye on Mijumaru. I guess Aloe's trying to throw off whatever strategy Ash had planned, but...yeah, I'm not buying it.
-I love how Mijumaru's just all "what" about all this.
-...hey wait a minute, why the hell is Pikachu hanging out on Dento's shoulder? Come to think of it, why is everyone standing on the sidelines in the first place? I seem to recall most gyms having loads of bleachers. Sure, the audience was never big enough to make them worth it, but THEY STILL HAD BLEACHERS.
-...and now Mijumaru just looks scary.
-Aloe looks surprised that Mijimaru can guard against electric attacks.
-That Miruhog is quite a breakdancer.
-And Mijumaru is DOWN!
-Aloe brings Yorterrie back in and...heyyyy, wait a minute! Now that I think about it, since when do GLs get to switch Pokemon mid-battle? ALOE IS CLEARLY CHEATING.
-Ash lost with record speed! Not that I blame him; Aloe is a bitch to beat even in the games. How can one Miruhog and one Harderrier hit so hard. HOW.
-Ash is moping...and resting his head on the egg. The writers have to remind people that it exists at least once an episode, you know!
-Iris and Dento give Ash lots of advice, and...it's just making Ash more frustrated! But at least it snapped him out of his funk, and now he's ready to train for a rematch!
-Joy suggests that Ash go to the Battle Club. That...makes sense, really.
-Meanwhile, TR is doing stuff in the museum. Zzz.
-Their meteorite switch goes off without a hitch. That's nice, I guess. God, I want some real action in this subplot again. :(
-This is the most dramatic entry into a battle club EVER.

My final opinion: An interesting episode that would be more interesting if I had any idea what people were saying. Fortunately, I'm sure that once I read what everyone else is say, I'll find out what I want to know!

[garfield15]

-The fact that that one guy is calling his WIFE "Mama" still freaks me out.

Dude, come to New York. You hear that here all the time.

[Cobalt_Latios]

-Ash lost with record speed! Not that I blame him; Aloe is a bitch to beat even in the games. [SIZE="1"]How can one Miruhog and one Harderrier hit so hard. HOW.

I'm actually glad for this. I've always sort of that this thing about seeing how the things from the games are adapted into the anime, and I'm glad that Aloe's ridiculous difficulty curve is shown here.

Also, what the hell does Mean Eye do anyways?

My final opinion: An interesting episode that would be more interesting if I had any idea what people were saying. Fortunately, I'm sure that once I read what everyone else is say, I'll find out what I want to know!

Subs don't usually take that long to be released. Which reminds me, I should go and watch the Desumas episode subbed to know what I wasn't aware of.

I'll have to watch this soon. Even though Ash does lose, there are a few things that seem to be quite amusing. And I'm all up for that.

C_L

[Teshub]

Dude, come to New York. You hear that here all the time.

Nobody calls other women "mama" in New York. The closest thing is "ma" to females but that's usually said by hoodrats than cultured people.

[Shneak]

I didn't really like the episode that much. I guess it's because it had a lot of talking, and I don't understand anything. And the gym battle was pretty short and boring.

Next episode will probably be better.

[Kirby2000]

-The fact that that one guy is calling his WIFE "Mama" still freaks me out.

Well really that seems common.

From Bublapedia in Kidachi profile

'He calls Aloe "Mama," in the way married adults will call themselves "mama" or "papa" instead of by their names.'

[dman_dustin]

Also, what the hell does Mean Eye do anyways?

It's actual English name is Mean Look. And in case you still don't know what it does, it prevents a trainer from recalling their Pokemon.

Nobody calls other women "mama" in New York. The closest thing is "ma" to females but that's usually said by hoodrats than cultured people.

Even if I live in a different state, and even if they are probably old enough to be the parents of Aloe and Kidachi, my grandparents call each other "Daddy" and "Mother" respectively even if they are married (and have no relation outside of marriage to each other).

Even though I know about it (and should be used to it), I still find it awkward to hear them call each other that. Which is why I find Kidachi just nonchalantly calling his wife "Mama" just that much awkward.

However if I'm not mistaken, B/W isn't the first time this has happened. If I remember correctly, I think one of the ranger games had this as well with one of their married couples. Still creepy though.

[Juputoru]

Well really that seems common.

From Bublapedia in Kidachi profile

'He calls Aloe "Mama," in the way married adults will call themselves "mama" or "papa" instead of by their names.'

I haven't seen any cases of this in real life, and I haven't noticed it happening a lot in fiction, so I maintain that this is weird! I mean, far be it from me to dictate what people call each other in private, but calling your partner mama/papa just brings disturbingly Freudian things to my mind.

It's actual English name is Mean Look.

Yes it is! Where did they get that name from, anyw...

-And now Mirhog used Mean Eye

oops.

Nobody calls other women "mama" in New York. The closest thing is "ma" to females but that's usually said by hoodrats than cultured people.

Can the thinly-veiled racism. You've toned it down a lot in the past few months, don't let it start coming back(and earning you infractions) now.

Subs don't usually take that long to be released. Which reminds me, I should go and watch the Desumas episode subbed to know what I wasn't aware of.

Reminder to everyone: Don't talk about subbed episodes around here. It's against the rules!

[Cazak]

This was a good episode. I look forward to the training that Ash is gonna do now.

[Locormus]

Koboar was already filled in from the start in the last episode. Other people can confirm this.

It was colored in in BW014, now it was colored in from the start. Meaning that there would be no progression in the next episode for the opening. Meaning that there might be a new one, with Miruhog, Desumas and Yooterri being colored in.. But that's just speculation, and wishful thinking.

Stealing and switching the real meteorite for the fake one.

Satoshi wanted some help to beat Aloe and he was basically saying he was going to put him through some very tough training

Team Rocket was epic indeed in doing so! xD

Satoshi wanted help to beat Aloe, and Don George reckonized the hardship that Aloe poses to trainers and her skills. One thing that was noted throughout the battle was the speed of which Yooterri and Miruhog moved. That's why Mijumaru and Pokabu will learn the moves they are going to learn: Aqua Jet and Nitro Charge.

These last two gym matches were better than a majority of the ones in DP. Seriously the anime cast is doing a great job. I can't wait for next week's episode. Also Teshub stop being so picky. What you dislike about the episode has more to do with you rather than the actual episode itself.

No, they weren't. The majority of the gym battles were quite good. These two gym battles weren't that good.

Sanyou Gym: Unique idea, with spreading the gymleaders and all that, I liked that a lot. Though Pokabu beating a Fire type that has Dig with Tackle and Ember stretched it for me. Really considering the fact that Ember really does nothing when used against anything.. Yooterri rammed straight through it feeling nothing. Pikachu's loss was believable in my opinion due to Mud Sport. Mijumaru beating Yanappu was all due to the shell miraculously aka DEM (as a god given gift) returning to Mijumaru's palm due to a miraculous strategy Ash came up with using rocks as a deflective medium for Water Gun to retrieve the shell... and then beat a Grass type with a Water type move...

So yeah, the only thing I could believe about the first gym was Pikachu losing to Hiyappu, which was stretching it, considering Pikachu tieing with Latios just eight episodes prior?

The disliked the second gym battle because of the general slowness and uneventfulness:

Pokabu vs. Yooterri:
- Pokabu can't even use Ember before..
- Roar
Mijumaru vs. Miruhoggu:
- Mean Look
- Water Gun <- Didn't hit.
- Low Kick
- Thunderbolt <-Deflected, but six moves in three minutes... That's too slow for me.
- Tackle <- Didn't hit.
- Water Gun <- Only move Ash succesfully landed..
- Shell Blade and Slam clash <- Causes Mijumaru to lose its shell.
- Thunderbolt
Pokabu vs. Yooterri:
- Tackle <- Didn't hit.
- Shadow Ball
- Ember <- Hits though not felt at all
- Take Down <- Charges in through the Ember not stopping at all...

The gym battle lasted about seven minutes. Fourteen moves were used, that's two per minute.. How's that good? That's awefully slow! Mostly contributed by nonesensicle dialogue that distracts a lot, especially while there's music playing that should've been played when there was action, but at the time wasn't. Mijumaru vs. Miruhog was good, but should've been done in about 2.5 minutes, but lasted about 4.20.. What I mean with slow is that there's usually two moves used by two pokemon at the same time, resulting in action lasting about 10 seconds, and then we get dialogue upon dialogue for 50 seconds..

If it were 50/50 then I wouldn't be upset. Or if the action overall was worthwhile. Now the only thing I found appealing was Yooterri using Roar and Miruhoggu breakdancing and using Slam to counter Shell Blade. The rest was unappealing at best.

Maybe it was due to knowing how it would end, but still.. Everytime I see Pokabu use Ember I start to yawn as it does nothing. The entire animation for it is just as weak as the damage that it does do...

I beg to differ.

The first 2 Gym matches in DP had a lot more going on with them with Paul battling Roark, Roark's Cranidos evolving, and Ash battling Gardenia in the forest before their official match. Not to mention Ash was also a lot more focused on training for his battles than he is now. The 2 Gym matches Ash has had in BW were pretty straight forward with very little build up, which made them a lot less exciting in my opinion.

This match was OK at best, hopefully the rematch will be a lot better.

Cranidos didn't evolve in the gym battle.. If you're going to count the first three gym battles of DP (battle, rematch, Gardenia), then do so after Ash's rematch with Aloe, as then the number would be even. But I still don't agree with you though. Ash vs. Roark1 was better then Ash vs. Aloe1, but Ash vs. Gardenia was just kinda as uninteresting as Ash vs. Elemental Monkeys..

Looked to me more like the writers making Ash lose the battle (hence the training episode) without making his pokemon look like complete losers. I also find it interesting how some people who haven't even seen the full episode, only screenscaps, are assuring us the gym episodes are so much better than anything than was ever done in DP. Gotta love feigned demagoguery.

He said 'majority', not 'ever done'.. There's a distinct nuance there that differentiates between not liking any, and not liking most.

So...how many seconds of screen time did team rocket have in this episode? 10 seconds or 30 seconds?

They actually had quite the epic scene this time, worth to watch, moreso then the gym battle It's followed up with a epic scene of the group entering a Battle Club as well, with the earth trembling and Ash and Don George doing what looks like a Might Guy and Rock Lee pose from Naruto! xD

Ah, but you wouldn't have gotten the Sommelier discussion or the sparkles. Seriously, if it was Brock, you wouldn't have had that FABULOUS moment at all and just short things like that are all I need to separate the two.

Short things and sparkles which Brock gets when he gets flirty with Joy? Yeah, Dento = Brock.. Dento is fabolous/gay (in the British sense of the word), Brock is straight.. Big deal..

I didn't really like the episode that much. I guess it's because it had a lot of talking, and I don't understand anything. And the gym battle was pretty short and boring.

Next episode will probably be better.

I agree.. The gym battle was short, but mostly slow and like you said, heavy on the Brock-style dialogue. His spirit lives on!

[garfield15]

Short things and sparkles which Brock gets when he gets flirty with Joy? Yeah, Dento = Brock.. Dento is fabolous/gay (in the British sense of the word), Brock is straight.. Big deal..

No, no. Brock's sparkles came because he was flirting. That's the typical bishie sparkle used for attracting girls. Dento sparkle is for no other reason than to be fabulous. And he has food puns in English. Brock is not fabulous nor does he have food puns in English.