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    Shippou City Gym Rematch! Explosive New Move!!

    Following his defeat at the Shippou City Gym, Ash decides to start training at the Battle Club in order to get his Tepig & Oshawott to be even stronger. After the training though, it's time for Ash's rematch with Aloe. However, things are tougher than before as her Yooterii evolves...

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    So apparently Yorterry evolved offscreen, i thought it might.

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    Well, it was pretty expected that Yooterii will evolve off-screen. The traning took about 10 minutes, but it was fine with the new moves.
    The battle started again with a Roar attack which forced Ash to use Oshawott, who had problems to control his Aqua Jet, but eventually it was a draw with Miruhog.
    Amd yeah, Pokabu is the star after beating Haderia.
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    Love the bulk of how Pokabu hold onto the battle. He show heart in this battle.

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    By the way, can't believe it, but Team Rocket didn't show up at all. The first time since the first episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash-kid View Post
    By the way, can't believe it, but Team Rocket didn't show up at all. The first time since the first episode.
    About damn time.

    I was getting sick of seeing them shoehorned in just for the sake of it. Good to see the writers, directors etc. don't feel the need to include them all the time.

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    This episode would have been rushed with Team Rocket so I'm glad they weren't necessary for an episode status quo.

    -Okay, so the training was as expected. Pokabu learned Nitro Charge while Miju learned Aqua Jet, though he can't control it well yet. I'm not exactly sure what the point of Kibago messing with Miju's training was outside of offering more silly shenanigans but, maybe it's foreshadowing that he's actually in the episode next week.

    -I lol'ed at Miju being all happy that he found water to swim in.

    -Now, the gym match. I figured Mijumaru and Pokabu would sweep the battles, but Aloe did not make it easy for Satoshi to win. Miruhogg was completely out-classing Mijumaru and if it wasn't for Aqua Jet, he probably would have won again. Mijumaru didn't even win, it was a double knock-out which I did not see coming.

    -However, Poka was the real star of the episode. First of all, his Ember is huge now (of course, Haderia has freaking Protect) but it's still really big. Tackle actually hurts and he knows Nitro Charge. It was fitting that Pokabu countered back against the very attack that beat him in the first place. I was reminded of Dragonball the way Pokabu and Haderia were both unconscious and being yelled at to get up. However, Pokabu really deserved that win so I'm glad to see it.

    Okay, now that both of you have won your gym battles consecutively, please let the other guys take some center stage Miju and Poka. They need training too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash-kid View Post
    By the way, can't believe it, but Team Rocket didn't show up at all. The first time since the first episode.
    Wow! I can't believe it too! for the first time since the freakin' 1st episode , I think this may be the last saga Team Rocket are in.

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    That was the laziest win for a battle they could think of. Colliding for final moves to faint the opposer.
    The Sinnoh Ash would have found a way to stop Haderia from using Roar and Miruhog from using Mean Look, furthermore Ash could have gotten Tepig and Oshawott to learn Nitro Charge (Fire Volt Tackle) and Aqua Jet (Buizel replacement pretty much destined). But oh how EVIL Zuruggu is! For Ash's first Dark type it's expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realarcastform View Post
    That was the laziest win for a battle they could think of. Colliding for final moves to faint the opposer.
    The Sinnoh Ash would have found a way to stop Haderia from using Roar and Miruhog from using Mean Look, furthermore Ash could have gotten Tepig and Oshawott to learn Nitro Charge (Fire Volt Tackle) and Aqua Jet (Buizel replacement pretty much destined). But oh how EVIL Zuruggu is! For Ash's first Dark type it's expected.
    Eh. Sinnoh Ash was ok with gym battles. Yes with some of them like Fantina he was amazing but not that impressive. Also it probably isn't laziness. Every gym leader has different means of being taken down. After re-watching the first gym battle I realized how well Aloe's strategy was and what her thinking process was. Ash countered the way he felt best. Also neither Tepig or Mijumaru could have really stopped roar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realarcastform View Post
    The Sinnoh Ash would have found a way to stop Haderia from using Roar and Miruhog from using Mean Look
    Unless it was an anime only thing, none of Oshawott's nor Tepig's characteristics (moves, abilities, anything I missed) would be able to counter roar and mean look, at least I'm pretty sure.

    Besides Tepig did hold on for as long as it could before being forcefully being switched out.
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    Who was the finisher was it Pokabu or Mijumaru.

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    Quote Originally Posted by playerking View Post
    Who was the finisher was it Pokabu or Mijumaru.
    Pokabu lay the final move. It did look like both will fall at the same time, but all Pokabu did after his opponent fall is to sit down on his rear.

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    Team Rocket not appearing is a first

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    The bummer of the episode is Ash re-challenging w/o making sure that Piplup's cousin (I'll learn the name eventually; it'll take some time) had properly learned Aqua Jet. I'm not sure he even recognized that Piplup's cousin didn't have full control until the gym battle had actually started. I also think Ash got a little lucky in how, during the gym battle, the Aqua Jet rebounded off the ceiling of the gym and redirected right back at the squirrelish looking pokemon (I really, really should learn these names). On the positive side, he certainly took it in stride, and was ready to make it count (Yes, definitely a real positive; I'm rewatching it, and while Aloe was surprised, Ash was alert. Nice!).

    So, I think the real key to learning Aqua Jet was that it gave Piplup's cousin another attack move to use, so that it didn't have to use its shell too much for offense-and so Aloe couldn't just take it away like before. Okay, that makes sense to me (TOTAL speculation on my part).

    This gym battle was pretty much advertisement for whatever place Ash was training at. Ash strikes me more as an outdoor type, and from what I remember, he's done most of his training outdoors when he's had the chance. Also, rather than using fancy machinery to mimic the shadow balls, Ash could have had his other pokemon call out attacks, giving them screen time. But, I guess the writers had to showcase this training facility, and this is something that had to be done. I would be surprised if a similar sort of situation popped up again. It's been a while since the reasoning for Ash losing a gym battle was that he didn't train his pokemon enough to stand a chance. The closest I can think of to a last time was Ash's battle against Anabel, and even then, I think Ash's problem was not so much that he didn't train his pokemon, but that he wasn't in sync with his pokemon. I personally dislike the type of moral of not training hard enough since a trainer of Ash's experience should always be trying hard enough-he just may not be trying the right way, or with the right tactic. But, again, I think this gym battle was set up for advertisement, and now it's done, fortunately.

    Dento and Iris were much better than last time during the gym battle.

    Unless I missed something, I think everyone was laughing at Ash's pose for winning a gym battle. That's a little different.

    I liked this episode, despite how many things I've complained about. I was entertained, and it was nice that 3 pokemon really had the spotlight. Pokabu (right?), Piplup's cousin, and Larvitar's relative all had quality moments. There was also much more focus on Ash battling, rather than sideline talk, compared to the last episode.

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    What happened to Team Rocket? They didn't show up...I'm shocked.

    I'm not surprise Oshawott and Mirhog tied. The battle was good and everything.

    There was nothing really wrong with the episode, it was enjoyable.

    No Team Rocket was a disappointment, I don't care if they would have only gotten 5 seconds I wanted to see them.

    I think Joy said the egg should hatch soon which it does in the next episode.

    Aloe is pretty interesting, hopefully we'll see her again later on.
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    Gooo Pokabu! Loved this guy, he proved himself this battle. Miju was not that impressive and he got a lucky aqua jet win. Still he managed first hit on Miruhog which Aloe seemed to be surprised.

    Oh yea Team rocket needs a rest, so that was good
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    Yea, it was the same opening as the last one. So im guessing we will get a new intro when the DP specials air or the BW episode after it.

    Does anyone think that Tepig is showing signs of being a powerhouse, but Oshawott more of comic reliefer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teshub View Post
    Yea, it was the same opening as the last one. So im guessing we will get a new intro when the DP specials air or the BW episode after it.

    Does anyone think that Tepig is showing signs of being a powerhouse, but Oshawott more of comic reliefer?
    Both have won gym battles, I think both will be powerhouses. Mijumaru can be a comic reliefer and a great battler.

    I'm so happy Tepig was the one to take the final win, now I need Pidove or Snivy to win in Castelia Gym (Hopefully Pidove evolves).

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    I think they're both gonna evolve in the future.

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    Overall, I would say awesome episode. Tepig and Oshawott both get awesome new moves and both get premium shining time in the Gym battle. Honestly, I think more Gym battles should be like this. The two shared the spotlight rather evenly. Oshawott took out what is arguably Aloe's strongest Pokemon, and Tepig finished off the battle, so they both get good treatment. I do have to complain about Team Rocket's absence. Jessie, James, and Meowth have always been my favorite characters. Their humor was always the best and I honestly believed that they were the only part of the show meant for entertainment and not advertisement. I don't like them as much now since they're not in the comic relief slot, but they're still pretty awesome. And now the writers have the gall to leave them out of the first episode since EP001? The audacity! The sheer audacity!

    Alright, maybe I'm over reacting a little bit. It's still not as bad as when they removed Wobbufet and Mime Jr.
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    Okay, now that I know what everyone was saying....

    I really liked Ash's dialogue and accompanying gestures and expressions. Many times in this episode he was insulted, all in good humor of course, but he took them all calmly, and with a smile. At least in that sense, he still felt like Sinnoh Ash.

    I was really critical before about Ash entering the gym battle w/o making sure Oshawatt had learned Aqua Jet. I'm going back of that just a little (What! There's a fine for that?! ). That's b/c Iris and Cilan really emphasize how hard Ash worked in his training. There's no real sense of time, I guess, on how long Ash waited to rechallenge Lenora, and so it really could have been a while. Maybe Ash had been working on Aqua Jet really hard, and just decided he didn't have any more time. Sort of like Pikachu's problems with doing too many Iron Tails in the first Hoenn Gym. But, if that's the case, then I think it's fair to criticize the show for not actually SHOWING that Ash had really been training very hard, rather than talking about it. It's a loophole the writers are creating by doing this type of thing (and they've taken adv of it many, many times), in that you're never too sure how hard Ash really is working b/c we're hardly ever shown he's training. But that works against the writers big time here. The moral of this episode is supposed to be working hard gets the results, but as we're not actually shown Ash working really hard (what we were actually shown was what I believe is minimal effort just to be able to compete; every halfway serious trainer should be at least giving the effort Ash was shown to be giving in this episode), this episode absolutely fails at that. Ash winning the gym battle, with some pure luck and then some half-way show of Tepig's courage, doesn't by itself justify the main theme of the episode. So to be honest, just ignore the supposed moral of this episode, b/c it's really not there.

    The part of the episode that really caught my attention was Iris scolding Cilan for being too analytical, and not supporting Ash. This was there last region, with Brock and Dawn, but Dawn never got as blunt as Iris did right here. It's quite the interesting idea, just in general, about what supporting someone really means. Do you always cheer for that person, no matter what? Or is it okay to be objective at times and admire the other trainer's tactics? I thought the "tension" b/w Dawn and Brock during Ash's battles in Sinnoh was really fun to watch at times, b/c it seemed to suggest that they were just different characters. But the fact that Iris actually called Cilan out on it already here kind of diffuses the situation in a way, making this group seem similar to Sinnoh's, and yet different. I feel like I should write a ton on this, but I'll just leave it at that, since I'm not familiar enough with things yet.

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    Nice episode. Really enjoyed it overall. Just surprised that there wasn't a single appearance of TR.

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    I really didn't enjoy this episode all too much. Mainly because I found the battle ridiculously cheap.

    Oshawott and Tepig get hammered by all those attacks and yet manage to knock out Miruhog and Hederia in just one or two. Now this kind of thing has happened before, but it's still annoying and makes the battle less enjoyable.
    I was fairly interested in the match until the Oshawott/Miruhog tie. Once that happened, I knew it would be cheap from then on.

    I really hope Unova's upcoming gym matches are superior to this one, because I was just unimpressed by this battle.

    I like Aloe's character though; hopefully we see more of her in the future.
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    I've argued this on Bulbagarden but I'll argue this here.

    The reason that Ash's Pokemon barely do any damage to the opponent before knocking it out, is because the writers work so hard to make sure Ash is at a disadvantage, that they don't stop to think that the opponent needs quite a bit of hits too. Thus what ends up happening is Ash beating a Pokemon with 1 to 3 moves while Ash's Pokemon itself takes 100s.

    And time is also a factor, I will argue this for many battles that felt cheap, if it was longer, it wouldn't be as cheap.

    And for those two reasons, I can't agree with anyone who said a battle was cheap, because the opponent took less damage than Ash's.
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