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    Before this POTW ends I want to put my input here.

    First off is the most important thing. You MUST have a reason to use Blissey over Chansey. That means all Blissey must either carry a Special Attack or run Wish without Softboiled. Chansey's Special Attack is too low to run a Special Attack, its so low it struggles to break Gengar's Substitute with Shadow Ball. The other is that due to Chansey not running Leftovers Wish / Protect is far less useful on it, to the point of being a hindrance, especially when Sandstorm is blowing.



    Wish Blissey @ Leftovers
    Bold
    Natural Cure
    84 HP / 252 Defense / 172 Special Defense

    Wish
    Protect
    Flamethrower
    Toxic

    WishBliss is still usable. Flamethrower hits Doryuuzu and Nattorei hard (sometimes 2HKOing both) while hitting pretty much everything when paired with Toxic. Wish and Protect help heal Blissey, scout for Trick and repair 336 points of damage from anything Wish passes to. This will heal around 85.2% of a max HP Gyarados, and 100% of anything with base 97 or less HP that doesn't invest in it. 84 HP EVs rounds up the Wish healing while the Defense and Sp Defense EVs maximize defenses.



    Special Wall Blissey @ Leftovers
    Bold
    Natural Cure
    80 HP / 252 Defense / 176 Special Defense

    Flamethrower / Ice Beam
    Toxic / Thunder Wave
    Seismic Toss / Aromatherapy
    Softboiled

    Standard wall Blissey. Flamethrower hits Steels and has good coverage with Toxic, while Ice Beam smashes Dragons and has near perfect coverage with Thunder Wave. Seismic Toss is your main damage dealing move, hitting Heatran primarily but also used to handle Substitute users and things that resist Ice Beam / Flamethrower. Aromatherapy can be used as team support though you become slightly more vulnerable to PP stall.


    These are the two main sets that probably 95% of Blisseys fall under. But you want variety Reno, so...


    Charm Blissey @ Leftovers
    Bold
    Natural Cure
    252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Special Defense

    Charm
    Flamethrower
    Softboiled
    Toxic

    Charm Blissey is one of the most effective abusers of Spikes in the game. After a Charm she becomes virtually invincible to most attacks, even Doryuuzu barely manages a 5HKO at -2. Charm Blissey does not work as well on a stall team as stall appreciates Aromatherapy or Wish support, but Spikes Offense in need of a defensive pivot will find Charm Blissey to be a great boon when it comes to racking up Spikes damage or allowing one of your own sweepers a turn of setup. HP and Defense is maxed so you can stay in on the stronger physical moves to launch a Charm.


    Calm Mind Blissey @ Leftovers
    Bold
    Natural Cure / Serene Grace
    252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Special Defense

    Calm Mind
    Ice Beam / Focus Blast
    Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball
    Softboiled

    With Calm Mind and Defensive EVs Blissey can quickly become very hard to bring down. Boltbeam coverage is arguably best, but "Focus Ball" hits some common 5th gen threats like Doryuuzu, Nattorei, Rankurusu, Tyranitar, Heatran and Shandera harder while still hitting Latios, Sazandora and Burungeru reasonably. The main problem with this set is strong physical moves, which are abundant. Even so, when played right CM Blissey can run through a team. Natural Cure is the best nature here, but Serene Grace can help you muscle through opposing Calm Mind Pokemon through Freezes or Special Defense drops.


    Defense Curl Blissey @ Leftovers / Mail
    Modest
    Natural Cure
    252 Defense / 252 Special Attack / 4 HP

    Charge Beam
    Ice Beam
    Defense Curl
    Softboiled

    You may laugh, but if you don't have any boosting physical sweepers, Calm Minders, Trick or STAB Close Combat you may be swept 6-0 by this Blissey. After a Defense Curl only the strongest of moves will 2HKO Blissey while after a few Charge Beam boosts Chansey can cut through an impressive number of threats. At +5 Blissey will 2HKO any Burungeru with Charge Beam, but will 2HKO most frail Pokemon around +2 or +3. You may run Mail over Leftovers, as this gives you immunity to Trick, further adding to the defenses this Blissey has. In non-competitive terms this Blissey will solo most Gym leaders and can take the Elite 4 on its own, even when 15-20 levels lower.

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    You like Digimon, so you suck. (Troll Face)

    Your sets are all quite amazing, though I am questioning a Defense Curl Blissey. Doesn't seem like she'd be getting in very much when Physical Attackers like Machamp. Substitute helps, alot, but I've never gotten it on such a Physically poor pokemon, even if it can boost, it won't get enough.

    That's about it. There was a spelling / grammer mistake in there, see if you can find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweep Freak View Post
    You like Digimon, so you suck. (Troll Face)


    Your sets are all quite amazing, though I am questioning a Defense Curl Blissey. Doesn't seem like she'd be getting in very much when Physical Attackers like Machamp. Substitute helps, alot, but I've never gotten it on such a Physically poor pokemon, even if it can boost, it won't get enough.
    +1 Blissey has about 12% more defense than max/max Swampert and about the same as max/max Skarmory. Pretty much anything that isn't STAB Fighting or a boosted hit will 3HKO.

    Its probably not a top tier threat, but I guess its up to Reno. Its a reasonable fun set to use, but to be honest I don't think I'd ever use it as anything besides a joke.

    That's about it. There was a spelling / grammer mistake in there, see if you can find it.
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    No, it's in your post. XD
    Yeah, but Dynamicpunch Machamp still kicks it's a*s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweep Freak View Post
    No, it's in your post. XD
    I'll never find it lol. The grammar part is up to reno / whoever writes the POTW.

    Yeah, but Dynamicpunch Machamp still kicks it's a*s
    Yep. But without STAB fighting or boosted physical moves most things won't take it out. Its still a gimmick set though.

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    with all of the new fighting types and sweepers like ononosuko, evo stone chansey w/ seismic toss would be best... psycho shock makes it harder, and it will need all the defense it can get
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    The Prince & The Pauper, Blissey style!

    Blissey must have a partner for this, it may be double or triple, but not single, my example will include Starmie, but you could use any pokemon that learns Light Screen & Reflect.

    Blissey's Attacks, Softboiled, Growl, Sing, & Refresh.
    Starmie's Attacks, Light Screen, Reflect, Blizzard, & Confuse Ray.

    Blissey's item, Leftovers
    Starmie's item, Light Clay

    Blissey's ability, Serene Grace
    Starmie's ability, Natural Cure

    Natures, Blissey, Impish, Starmie, Timid

    Reasons for attacks:
    Blissey: Softboiled, for healing itself & it's partner. Growl, for lowering opponents defense(Optional). Sing, to put opponents to sleep, making it easier for it's partner to defeat opponents(Also optional). Refresh, to take away status problems it gets.

    EV's, Blissey: All are maxed, especially Defense & HP.

    Thus, stats at Lv. 50 accumulate, HP: 362 Attack:68 Defense: 68 Spattack: 139 SpDefense: 405 Speed: 117

    It especially helps to partner it up with a speedy partner like Starmie, & give your partner some good attacks,(Preferably ones that attack both opponents) it's symbiosis between Blissey & the partner. This specifically Double or Triple battle, NOT single battle.
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    Blissey would run aromatherapy over refresh. It affects all of your pokemon instead of one.

    And that was just painful to read.

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    I dont think anyone has mentioned this, but Chansey AND Blissey can be used together for double the special walling. Also, Blissey dreads Ghosts with Substitute, they laugh at Blissey. Behind a Sub Blissey cannot break with Seismic Toss, they can set up (CMers can shrug off any attacks Blissey has) and/or hit Blissey with Focus Punch--a supereffective move that strikes Blissey in it's weaker defensive stat. One example of a Ghost-type Sub-CMer is Mismagius, an example of a Sub-Puncher is Goruugu (who also has Iron Fist). Fighting types also are a problem, they can absorb statuses for Guts boosts and can leech Blissey's health with Drain Punch or boost with Bulk up. Roopushin is an excellent example.
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    Something worth mentioning is Blisseys weakness to Leech Seed. With her insanely high hitpoints stat, pestering it with Leech Seed makes an effective healing tactic, especially if Blissey lacks Flamethrower or Ice Beam to deal with your grass type. Combined with Blisseys fairly lack of direct threat it becomes frustrating to take down leech seeders.

    Nattorei is one that can use Leech Seed against Blisseys without Flamethrower since it's indifferent to Ice Beam. Nattorei can also use Leech Seed together with either Spikes or Stealth rock on the same set for more fun (although it can't use both entry hazards at once while running Leech Seed due to breeding conflicts). Entry hazards punish switching, Leech Seed punishes staying in. Nattorei can also use Blissey to set up curses.

    Celebi, Tangrowth, and Shaymin are also worth mentioning as Leech Seed users, as they are especially potent with Subseeding against it if it lacks flamethrower or ice beam with their potential 101HP substitutes, pretty much forcing blissey to switch.


    And Drain Punch is a move more threatening to Blissey, another move to take advantage of her high hitpoints. It grew from a forgettable base 60 to base 75 and, whilst it won't really take out Blissey in one hit usually, it will restore your own life points a whole lot more than Blissey can hope to damage.

    For the same high hitpoints reason, Pain Split is also fun to use against it.
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