Hack-Check Thread

[QuoteMaster]

Pokemon Species: Combee
Nickname: Combee
OT: Anra
OT Gender: female
IDno: 36435
Shiny?: yes
EV's: not known
IV's: not known
Nature: Docile
Characteristic: Sturdy Body
Ability: Honey Gather
Moves: Gust, Sweet scent, Bug bite, Bug buzz
Level Caught at: 35
Current Level: 35
Stats: Hp 67 Atk 31 Def 44 Sp Atk 29 Sp Def 44 Spd 63
Location Caught: Route 12
Egg?: no
Pokeball Caught In: Luxury Ball

It looks legal.

[Shadowkrow]

Thanks, I went through pokecheck to see if it was ok and it said it was, but I needed to double check.

[Agonist]

How can you tell it was forced into the Entralink? And would that affect legality in tournament settings and such?

Because I know who it belongs to, and no, it's still legal for tournaments, provided you download it without a ribbon.

[DreamTheater]

That's all I needed to know about that. Thanks!

[Cueva27]

I got a Darkrai in a trade with the OT BLUEMEW, its a hack right?

[QuoteMaster]

I got a Darkrai in a trade with the OT BLUEMEW, its a hack right?

No, that OT belongs to a known legitimate RNGer.

[Agonist]

I got a Darkrai in a trade with the OT BLUEMEW, its a hack right?

No, it's legitimate. Bluemew (Shinyshuppet) is a known RNG abuser (and a good one at that).

[Thowra]

I got an Arceus through the GTS, and all its stats looked legit, but when I put it on Pokecheck the legality check says its encounter is 'unknown encounter'
http://www.pokecheck.org/?pk=3507122
Does this mean the pokemon was hacked?

Also, I know that 'GTS metadata unavailable' means that the original trainer never went onto the gts...but suspiciously, every legendary I've gotten from the gts and deposited into pokecheck to check legality is branded 'no gts metadata availbale'.
Does this mean they are ALL hacks? Because I seriously find it hard to believe that the OTs never connected to the GTS, it looks more like poorly created Pokemon to me now that I think about it :/

[dewey911p]

I got an Arceus through the GTS, and all its stats looked legit, but when I put it on Pokecheck the legality check says its encounter is 'unknown encounter'
http://www.pokecheck.org/?pk=3507122
Does this mean the pokemon was hacked?

Also, I know that 'GTS metadata unavailable' means that the original trainer never went onto the gts...but suspiciously, every legendary I've gotten from the gts and deposited into pokecheck to check legality is branded 'no gts metadata availbale'.
Does this mean they are ALL hacks? Because I seriously find it hard to believe that the OTs never connected to the GTS, it looks more like poorly created Pokemon to me now that I think about it :/

We cannot see the pokemon, it is set to private, but it is hacked as that message almost always indicates a hack. There maybe some exceptions to this, but Arceus is so limited in distribution and can only be obtained in a select few ways, all from events, that that message will never appear for that pokemon. In the future, to display a pokemon, uncheck both the public and private check boxes and, under account options, select "Allow other users to see the legality analysis of my non public Pokémon" then save the options. This will allow others to see the pokemon you link to, but not download it.

As for the GTS metadata, don't really worry about that. That message means that the OT of the pokemon never connected to pokecheck, it has nothing to do with the actual GTS. It is common, and should be expected, that pokemon received in trades will not have GTS Metadata with pokecheck. The only time GTS metadata should really mean anything is if you see a user on pokecheck, or an OT, that has hundreds or thousands of uploaded pokemon with no metadata. If there is an OT that has that many pokemon, but didn;t deposit a single on to pokecheck with the GTS, that means they were all uploaded as files. There is no reason to upload pokemon from files unless the pokemon came from an emulator, or unless the pokemon were hacked via programs that only give files on a computer. No metadata for hundreds of uploads under the same OT is suspicious (although still not conclusive in and of itself) but no metadata from traded pokemon just means whoever traded you the pokemon doesn't know about/use pokecheck.

[Thowra]

We cannot see the pokemon, it is set to private, but it is hacked as that message almost always indicates a hack. There maybe some exceptions to this, but Arceus is so limited in distribution and can only be obtained in a select few ways, all from events, that that message will never appear for that pokemon. In the future, to display a pokemon, uncheck both the public and private check boxes and, under account options, select "Allow other users to see the legality analysis of my non public Pokémon" then save the options. This will allow others to see the pokemon you link to, but not download it.

As for the GTS metadata, don't really worry about that. That message means that the OT of the pokemon never connected to pokecheck, it has nothing to do with the actual GTS. It is common, and should be expected, that pokemon received in trades will not have GTS Metadata with pokecheck. The only time GTS metadata should really mean anything is if you see a user on pokecheck, or an OT, that has hundreds or thousands of uploaded pokemon with no metadata. If there is an OT that has that many pokemon, but didn;t deposit a single on to pokecheck with the GTS, that means they were all uploaded as files. There is no reason to upload pokemon from files unless the pokemon came from an emulator, or unless the pokemon were hacked via programs that only give files on a computer. No metadata for hundreds of uploads under the same OT is suspicious (although still not conclusive in and of itself) but no metadata from traded pokemon just means whoever traded you the pokemon doesn't know about/use pokecheck.

Ah, right, thanks for clarifying both the pokecheck privacy thing and the gts metadata. I originally set everything to private because all my own pokemon were the result of days of soft resetting, breeding or gts negotiations, and so yeah, I got stingy and was paranoid of people downloading my hard work. I never realised you could show legality and not allow others to download, so thanks a lot for the tip!

Here's the arceus again, but eh, I already know it's hacked so it's kind of more like a test to see if people can see private pokemon
http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=3507122

[Agonist]

The only users that can see private Pokémon are the person who uploaded it, and the admins. But I'm guessing it's a level 80 Hall of Origin Arceus?

[Thowra]

Hmm, not sure, but I think it probably is from the hall of origin. I've never played Gen 4 however, so I don't know much about the gameplay there.

Wait, if I set my pokemon to private, its legality will never show up, even if the option to display legality for non-public pokemon is selected? How does that work? Does it mean that both public and private must be unticked? (I've unticked that arceus just now, btw, and it's neither public or private at the moment...)

[Pokemon_Champ]

I have a japanese shiny mew lvl 30 OT: Gio. i'm guessing its a hack? Caught in pokeball. Knows taunt, will o wisp, softboiled and seismic toss.

[Agonist]

Hmm, not sure, but I think it probably is from the hall of origin. I've never played Gen 4 however, so I don't know much about the gameplay there.

Wait, if I set my pokemon to private, its legality will never show up, even if the option to display legality for non-public pokemon is selected? How does that work? Does it mean that both public and private must be unticked? (I've unticked that arceus just now, btw, and it's neither public or private at the moment...)

Precisely.

I have a japanese shiny mew lvl 30 OT: Gio. i'm guessing its a hack? Caught in pokeball. Knows taunt, will o wisp, softboiled and seismic toss.

Yes, afaik it's a hack.

[Pokemon_Champ]

May I ask how you know it's a hack? Is the OT a known hacker?

[Arbalest]

The OT Ｇｉｏ Shiny Mew is a hack, how I know isn't important (and I wouldn't say here in case any hackers read this) and it would certainly fool most people, but it's obviously hacked if you know a lot about 3rd gen mechanics.

[Pokemon_Champ]

Ok thanks guys

[Giblie]

Here is a Shiny Bagon from the GTS recently. It seems hacked to me.

Pokemon Species: Bagon
Nickname: Bagon
OT: SEP2012
OT Gender: blue
IDno: 00000
Shiny?: Yes
EV's: NA
IV's: NA
Nature: Modest
Characteristic: Alert to sounds
Ability: Rock Head
Moves: Twister, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Dance, Hydro Pump
Level Caught at: lv. 1
Current Level: lv. 1
Stats: 5, 6, 6, 5, 6
Location Caught: Route 3, Apparently hatched
Egg?: Yes from an egg.
Pokeball Caught In: Pokeball
Any other notes?: Hatched on 11/1/2007

It stinks that it seems hacked, always wanted a shiny Bagon. D:

[The DragonKnight]

Yes, it is hacked. It couldn't have hatched in 2007 and hatched at Route 3 (it would say Hoenn/Sinnoh/Johto/Kanto if it was from a earlier Generation).

[Agonist]

Hack, unless for some reason someone RNGed that ID, and OT (doubtful).

Yes, it is hacked. It couldn't have hatched in 2007 and hatched at Route 3 (it would say Hoenn/Sinnoh/Johto/Kanto if it was from a earlier Generation).

Uh, yeah it can.

[Arbalest]

*snipped*

Although the information given appears to be *legal*, I agree that it screams hack and I suspect a more thorough hack checker would catch illegal hidden data.

Yes, it is hacked. It couldn't have hatched in 2007 and hatched at Route 3 (it would say Hoenn/Sinnoh/Johto/Kanto if it was from a earlier Generation).

I can change the date on my DS to anything between 2000 and 2099, and then any eggs I hatch will show as being hatched on that date.

[Shine]

considering the date and the ID number, it is possible that the Bagon is a result of RNG abuse.

Maybe it was given away because it is a failed result, it has the shininess but it also has the wrong Nature/ability.

But yeah, there's also a good chance that it's hacked, and is made to look like a result from an RNG abuse.

It couldn't have hatched in 2007 and hatched at Route 3 (it would say Hoenn/Sinnoh/Johto/Kanto if it was from a earlier Generation).

......you can change the date on your DS. In fact, as far as I know, changing date is a must for those who wants to do RNG abuse.

So yes, you can hatch a Pokemon in B2/W2 whose summary says it is hatched in the year 2001.

Hmm, not sure, but I think it probably is from the hall of origin. I've never played Gen 4 however, so I don't know much about the gameplay there.

Looking at its page, it most likely is indeed a Hall of Origin Arceus. Which may be legal or hacked, depending on your view.

The Arceus seems to be caught normally, but the Azure Flute, the item to access Hall of Origin, is never released, not even for Platinum, and your Arceus is from a Japanese Pearl.

[Agonist]

considering the date and the ID number, it is possible that the Bagon is a result of RNG abuse.

Maybe it was given away because it is a failed result, it has the shininess but it also has the wrong Nature/ability.

But yeah, there's also a good chance that it's hacked, and is made to look like a result from an RNG abuse.

What's wrong with a Modest Salamence? But as far as the date goes, it's quite easy to find shiny egg seeds, so unless there was some reason why they wanted that date, it's unlikely that they'd have to resort to a seed in 2007 for a shiny result.

[Shine]

Nothing wrong with a Modest Mence, actually. In fact I also have one.
But the Shiny Bagon posted above there is Modest yet it has both Hydro Pump and....Dragon Dance. To me, it looks more like whoever hatched it wanted Naive/Hasty instead for a Mixed set.

[Agonist]

Or they happened to have a parent that knew both (note that only parent Bagon can get Hydro Pump that doesn't learn Dragon Dance is Milotic, and that furthermore, Gyarados learns Dragon Dance before learning Hydro Pump, and the Kingdra line learns it right after). When trading, it advantageous to have multiple egg moves, even if only or two of them is actually viable for the set itself. Having more egg moves means that people will be more willing to trade for it, either for their own use, or being able to use it as a parent quickly, and without having to put much effort into getting a good parent themselves. It's the same thing with Pokemon that have move tutors tutored onto them, they're more desirable since not as much effort needs to be put in.