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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldFromSS View Post
    Just so you know, I just realized that I got the EVS wrong. There are a couple points in HP, but I can't tell how many. I would use a reset bag, but I don't have time.
    It doesn't matter, the OT of that Mew is a known RNGer from Smogon. As already mentioned, it was RNGed on an emulator but otherwise it is considered legal. Since the OT is recognized, something as easily changeable as EVs doesn't really matter for legitimacy (so long as the EVs don't exceed the total amount possible, which is really the only reason this question is part of the form).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dewey911p View Post
    It doesn't matter, the OT of that Mew is a known RNGer from Smogon. As already mentioned, it was RNGed on an emulator but otherwise it is considered legal. Since the OT is recognized, something as easily changeable as EVs doesn't really matter for legitimacy (so long as the EVs don't exceed the total amount possible, which is really the only reason this question is part of the form).
    Maybe that's why he traded it for a regular Mew that I had...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuken View Post
    From the very first post in this same thread:
    "Smogon's Tips for Simple Hack Checks
    General Rules of Thumb for Distinguishing Hacked Pokemon:
    Only 4 natures are possible for 31/31/31/31/31/31 Pokemon caught in generations 3 & 4 (exceptions below). These natures are calm, docile, modest, and timid."
    That statement doesn't mean that Pokemon in Generation III can also be IV 31 all for Calm, Docile, Modest, and Timid. There are 4 IV 31 all possible natures in all of Generation III and IV. And they're all in Generation IV.

    I know how RNGing works. There is NO IV 31 all spread ANYWHERE in Generation III, or at least for encounter in Emerald. Ask the guys on Smogon if you must. For Generation IV, yes, there are IV 31 all frames. I use them quite a lot for my RNGing. Not III. At least not in Emerald, which only uses Method 1, which has no IV 31 all frame. For Ruby/Sapphire, it may be possible. I don't know for sure. FRLG? Maybe. Again, don't know. For Emerald? I know it's impossible. Unless there is a perfect spread for Method 1 that the RNG Reporter failed to show because it's like frame 1 billion, then IV 31 all ENCOUNTER Pokemon in Emerald is impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DX 2401PT View Post
    That statement doesn't mean that Pokemon in Generation III can also be IV 31 all for Calm, Docile, Modest, and Timid. There are 4 IV 31 all possible natures in all of Generation III and IV. And they're all in Generation IV.

    I know how RNGing works. There is NO IV 31 all spread ANYWHERE in Generation III, or at least for encounter in Emerald. Ask the guys on Smogon if you must. For Generation IV, yes, there are IV 31 all frames. I use them quite a lot for my RNGing. Not III. At least not in Emerald, which only uses Method 1, which has no IV 31 all frame. For Ruby/Sapphire, it may be possible. I don't know for sure. FRLG? Maybe. Again, don't know. For Emerald? I know it's impossible. Unless there is a perfect spread for Method 1 that the RNG Reporter failed to show because it's like frame 1 billion, then IV 31 all ENCOUNTER Pokemon in Emerald is impossible.
    ...what?
    3rd and 4th gen method 1 is exactly the same, all method 1 spreads are (eventually) possible for Emerald, and for Emerald emulator RNGers 1 billion is a reasonable frame (although I prefer a different method that uses the one time Emerald actually seeds properly rather than waiting for high frames).

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    Just to be clear about something:

    Are there any Legendary Pokemon that defintely, legally, can have optimal natures AND 5IVs+? Like, I've seen numerous Shiny Genesects, Modest + 6IVs. I have a Shiny Dialga, Modest, with 6IVs in a Master Ball (I got it during my Diamond days).

    With the advent of 3IV+ Legends from X/Y onwards, plus the dump of Legends that came with ORAS, I've started actually playing with the idea of using Uber Legendaries. It's just so much easier and legitimately possible to get competatively viable Legends. But there are still plenty you can't control (Pixie Pokemon, event-exclusive Legends, etc).

    So, of those out of those that can't be caught by your standard 12 year old XY/ORAS player, what event Legends were gifted with 6IVs, and/or Shiny, and/or with variable Natures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilmonkey View Post
    Just to be clear about something:

    Are there any Legendary Pokemon that defintely, legally, can have optimal natures AND 5IVs+? Like, I've seen numerous Shiny Genesects, Modest + 6IVs. I have a Shiny Dialga, Modest, with 6IVs in a Master Ball (I got it during my Diamond days).

    With the advent of 3IV+ Legends from X/Y onwards, plus the dump of Legends that came with ORAS, I've started actually playing with the idea of using Uber Legendaries. It's just so much easier and legitimately possible to get competatively viable Legends. But there are still plenty you can't control (Pixie Pokemon, event-exclusive Legends, etc).

    So, of those out of those that can't be caught by your standard 12 year old XY/ORAS player, what event Legends were gifted with 6IVs, and/or Shiny, and/or with variable Natures?
    It has to do with RNG. Usually natures and IVs are random, but with RNG, you can decide what you get for IVs and natures. Only certain gifted event legends are shiny: Japanese Genesect, Sinnoh Dragons and Johto dogs (afaik, there might be more). Ofcourse encounter legends can be RNGd to shiny, perfect IVs and correcy nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naemeria View Post
    It has to do with RNG. Usually natures and IVs are random, but with RNG, you can decide what you get for IVs and natures. Only certain gifted event legends are shiny: Japanese Genesect, Sinnoh Dragons and Johto dogs (afaik, there might be more). Ofcourse encounter legends can be RNGd to shiny, perfect IVs and correcy nature.
    Rayquaza was given as shiny as well as Jirachi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbalest View Post
    ...what?
    3rd and 4th gen method 1 is exactly the same, all method 1 spreads are (eventually) possible for Emerald, and for Emerald emulator RNGers 1 billion is a reasonable frame (although I prefer a different method that uses the one time Emerald actually seeds properly rather than waiting for high frames).

    Hex Timid is 176,562,489 btw.
    Frame 176 562 489 gets Impish, IVs: 27, 22, 27, 4, 11, 11. Emerald always uses Method 1, and its seed is always 0. I RNGed plenty of times in Emerald and the starting seed was always 0, no exception. Unless there's a way to get a different starting seed that wasn't mentioned.

    And if this requires emulator RNG, then doesn't it count as cheating? You'll be doing something that's impossible to do by hand.
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    Pokemon Species: Rayquaza
    Nickname: Rayquaza
    OT: Nate
    OT Gender: Unknown
    IDno: 27977
    Shiny?: No
    EV's: 252 Atk / 6 SpD / 252 Spe
    IV's: 31/31/31/17/31/31
    Nature: Adamant
    Characteristic: Likes to thrash about
    Ability: Air Lock
    Moves: it had Outrage, Fly, Overheat, and Blizzard when received
    Level Caught at: 50
    Current Level: 100
    Stats: 351 HP / 438 Atk / 216 Def / 289 SpA / 217 SpD / 289 Spe
    Location Caught: Johto
    Egg?: No
    Pokeball Caught In: Dusk Ball
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    Quote Originally Posted by NitoriAria View Post
    Pokemon Species: Rayquaza
    Nickname: Rayquaza
    OT: Nate
    OT Gender: Unknown
    IDno: 27977
    Shiny?: No
    EV's: 252 Atk / 6 SpD / 252 Spe
    IV's: 31/31/31/17/31/31
    Nature: Adamant
    Characteristic: Likes to thrash about
    Ability: Air Lock
    Moves: it had Outrage, Fly, Overheat, and Blizzard when received
    Level Caught at: 50
    Current Level: 100
    Stats: 351 HP / 438 Atk / 216 Def / 289 SpA / 217 SpD / 289 Spe
    Location Caught: Johto
    Egg?: No
    Pokeball Caught In: Dusk Ball
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    Looks perfectly fine. 31, 31, 31, 17, 31, 31 is the highest IV spread Adamant nature can get in Generation IV Legendary encounter. HGSS RNG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DX 2401PT View Post
    Frame 176 562 489 gets Impish, IVs: 27, 22, 27, 4, 11, 11.
    That's 176,652,489, not 176,562,489.
    I RNGed plenty of times in Emerald and the starting seed was always 0, no exception. Unless there's a way to get a different starting seed that wasn't mentioned.
    It seeds properly when you first start a new game, very useful for emulator RNGing.
    And if this requires emulator RNG, then doesn't it count as cheating?
    If you ask 100 different people what counts as cheating you'll get 100 different answers, but unless you're a hard core event collector with amazingly rare things to offer (in which case you're probably not using this thread to check your stuff) the best shiny Mew you can reasonably hope for is from a cheat code to activate the event anyways.
    You'll be doing something that's impossible to do by hand.
    Not impossible, just requires more time than any sane person would spend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbalest View Post
    That's 176,652,489, not 176,562,489.
    It seeds properly when you first start a new game, very useful for emulator RNGing.
    If you ask 100 different people what counts as cheating you'll get 100 different answers, but unless you're a hard core event collector with amazingly rare things to offer (in which case you're probably not using this thread to check your stuff) the best shiny Mew you can reasonably hope for is from a cheat code to activate the event anyways.
    Not impossible, just requires more time than any sane person would spend.
    Ah, found it. 2043 days, rounded down, of waiting for that spread to occur. Alright, fine. It IS possible. Technically (who's going to wait 5.5 years, with a capable timer, to try to hit a 1/60 second time zone?).

    I suppose it depends on your definition of hacking/cheating. I find this emulator RNG to be acceptable, but barely, as it involves using a cheat to activate the event in the first place, and probably some sort of device/program to get a Pokemon from an emulated game to an actual one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DX 2401PT View Post
    Looks perfectly fine. 31, 31, 31, 17, 31, 31 is the highest IV spread Adamant nature can get in Generation IV Legendary encounter. HGSS RNG.
    Actually, 31/31/31/24/31/31 is the highest possible IV total for an Adamant nature. The 31/31/31/17/31/31 spread just has the lowest frames and delay, so most people go for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dewey911p View Post
    Actually, 31/31/31/24/31/31 is the highest possible IV total for an Adamant nature. The 31/31/31/17/31/31 spread just has the lowest frames and delay, so most people go for that.
    Right. Working off of memory here, and I remember going for shiny Adamant IV: 31, 31, 31, 17, 31, 31 because that was the optimal spread for being practically perfect and does not require an insane amount of frame advancements for Sinjoh Ruins RNG.
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    Pokemon Species: Shaymin
    Nickname: PokéIsland
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    OT Gender: N/A
    IDno: 12014
    Shiny?: No
    EV's: (if known) Unknown
    IV's: (if known) Unknown
    Nature: Timid
    Characteristic: Alert to sounds
    Ability: Natural Cure
    Moves: Growth/Magical Leaf/Seed Flare/Air Slash
    Level Caught at: 15
    Current Level: 15
    Stats: Atk 35/Def 39/Sp. A 49/Sp. D 39/Speed 53
    Location Caught: a lovely place
    Egg?: No
    Pokeball Caught In: Quick Ball
    Any other notes?: 1.) Listed as a Japanese shaymin. 2.) Acquired over GTS. 3.) Successfully transformed with Gracidea. 4.) Why the frell would anybody offer a shaymin for a mightyena? Smells fishy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sike Saner View Post
    Pokemon Species: Shaymin
    Nickname: PokéIsland
    OT: FACEBOOK
    OT Gender: N/A
    IDno: 12014
    Shiny?: No
    EV's: (if known) Unknown
    IV's: (if known) Unknown
    Nature: Timid
    Characteristic: Alert to sounds
    Ability: Natural Cure
    Moves: Growth/Magical Leaf/Seed Flare/Air Slash
    Level Caught at: 15
    Current Level: 15
    Stats: Atk 35/Def 39/Sp. A 49/Sp. D 39/Speed 53
    Location Caught: a lovely place
    Egg?: No
    Pokeball Caught In: Quick Ball
    Any other notes?: 1.) Listed as a Japanese shaymin. 2.) Acquired over GTS. 3.) Successfully transformed with Gracidea. 4.) Why the frell would anybody offer a shaymin for a mightyena? Smells fishy.
    I'm not aware of any event Shaymin given out in a Quick Ball, which means if this event is legal it has to be a recent Gen 6 Japanese event. If that's the case then it's hacked since events can't be nicknamed without RNGing, which isn't possible in gen 6 as far as I am aware. All in all this is a terrible hack no matter how you look at it. This doesn't match any event from gen 4 or 5 and it can't be RNGed in gen 6 so it isn't possible to nickname it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dewey911p View Post
    I'm not aware of any event Shaymin given out in a Quick Ball, which means if this event is legal it has to be a recent Gen 6 Japanese event. If that's the case then it's hacked since events can't be nicknamed without RNGing, which isn't possible in gen 6 as far as I am aware. All in all this is a terrible hack no matter how you look at it. This doesn't match any event from gen 4 or 5 and it can't be RNGed in gen 6 so it isn't possible to nickname it.
    If it's the Oak's letter event, it can be in whatever ball you catch it in.

    Edit: nvm, that one was lv 30. its hacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GooberTheAlmightyMudkip View Post
    If it's the Oak's letter event, it can be in whatever ball you catch it in.

    Edit: nvm, that one was lv 30. its hacked.
    That is correct, only level 15 Shaymin comes in a Cherish Ball so yeah, it's hacked.

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    Thought as much; thanks for the confirmation.
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    Pokemon species: regirock
    Nickname: gipsy danger
    OT: URALYA
    OT Gender: unkown
    IDno: 03025
    Shiny?: yes
    EV's: hp close to maxed out and defense also
    IV's: all 31
    Nature: impish
    Chararacteristic: mischievous
    Ability: clear body
    Moves: stealth rock, drain punch, explosion, rock slide
    Level caught at: lv40
    Current level: lv100
    Stats: hp364 attack299 defense479 sp. Atk122 sp. Def237
    Location caught at: desert ruins
    Egg?: no
    Pokeball caught in: nest ball
    Any other notes: i got this one from wonder trade, when i saw this i thought it was hacked

    Pokemon species: keldeo
    Nickname: keldeo
    OT: something in jananese
    OT Gender: unkown
    IDno: 12014
    Shiny?: no
    EV's: 252 sp atk 252 spe 4 hp
    IV's: all 31
    Nature: timid
    Chararacteristic: alert to sounds
    Ability: justified
    Moves: aqua jet, secret sword, double kick, hydro pump
    Level caught at: 15
    Current level: 15
    Stats: hp57 atk27 def36 sp atk57 sp def36 spe56
    Location caught at: a lovely place
    Egg?: no
    Pokeball caught in: cherish ball
    Any other notes: it has a blue pentagon wich makes me suspicious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy1 View Post
    Pokemon species: regirock
    Nickname: gipsy danger
    OT: URALYA
    OT Gender: unkown
    IDno: 03025
    Shiny?: yes
    EV's: hp close to maxed out and defense also
    IV's: all 31
    Nature: impish
    Chararacteristic: mischievous
    Ability: clear body
    Moves: stealth rock, drain punch, explosion, rock slide
    Level caught at: lv40
    Current level: lv100
    Stats: hp364 attack299 defense479 sp. Atk122 sp. Def237
    Location caught at: desert ruins
    Egg?: no
    Pokeball caught in: nest ball
    Any other notes: i got this one from wonder trade, when i saw this i thought it was hacked

    Pokemon species: keldeo
    Nickname: keldeo
    OT: something in jananese
    OT Gender: unkown
    IDno: 12014
    Shiny?: no
    EV's: 252 sp atk 252 spe 4 hp
    IV's: all 31
    Nature: timid
    Chararacteristic: alert to sounds
    Ability: justified
    Moves: aqua jet, secret sword, double kick, hydro pump
    Level caught at: 15
    Current level: 15
    Stats: hp57 atk27 def36 sp atk57 sp def36 spe56
    Location caught at: a lovely place
    Egg?: no
    Pokeball caught in: cherish ball
    Any other notes: it has a blue pentagon wich makes me suspicious
    Since there is no RNGing in gen VI, 6IV legendaries are almost always edited. Wouldn't trust them myself.
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    Only keldeo that out that have blue pentagon is the poke scrap i think and it name in Jpn (should say ケルディオ )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naemeria View Post
    Since there is no RNGing in gen VI, 6IV legendaries are almost always edited. Wouldn't trust them myself.
    Don't always take that for granted, even if it is a low chance it is still possible to find 5-6 IV Legends, with an extreme amount of luck / patience.
    I fave found 2 5IV Legends by SR in OR so far, so it is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuken View Post
    Don't always take that for granted, even if it is a low chance it is still possible to find 5-6 IV Legends, with an extreme amount of luck / patience.
    I fave found 2 5IV Legends by SR in OR so far, so it is possible.
    That's why I said "almost always". Sure, it is possible but the chances are very low. If you have the patience to SR your legendary, you won't just give it away on WT, even if it's cloned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naemeria View Post
    That's why I said "almost always". Sure, it is possible but the chances are very low. If you have the patience to SR your legendary, you won't just give it away on WT, even if it's cloned.
    This! ^

    Also, is highly unlikely that you would ever get a shiny pokemon with 6IVs in 6th gen like Regirock, it is much safer assume the pokemon is edited.
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