Official 5th Gen. EV/IV (Training) Thread

[J-Myc]

If you breed two of the same specie Pokémon and they both know a move that they learn while levelling up then the offspring will gain that move as well.

[Uniquekind]

I'm fully aware of that, as that is a breeding basic. What I have never seen is all of the offspring having the original moveset even as the parents moveset change while in daycare. When the parents hit lvl 17 Doubleslap replaced a move, yet that change was not passed on, then at level 21 the parents learned Swift, which was also not passed on, and finally at level 25 they learned Calm Mind which was not passed on either--meaning the eggs were still getting the original moveset even though the parents moves had almost completely changed... The last few eggs should have had the moves the parents had when I removed them from daycare, yet every single egg had the original set... I've never seen that in all my years of breeding.

[Eeveelover824]

so got a question may be silly....how to train the ivs of pokemon? the characteristics as i must say?...I know natures are more important then the characteristics and natures have to be trained with the right evs but how does the ivs work?....still learning...

[Uniquekind]

This site has an excellent guide for both IV breeding and EV training. Check them out.

http://www.serebii.net/games/ivs.shtml

http://www.serebii.net/games/evs.shtml

[jolteon135]

I'm fully aware of that, as that is a breeding basic. What I have never seen is all of the offspring having the original moveset even as the parents moveset change while in daycare. When the parents hit lvl 17 Doubleslap replaced a move, yet that change was not passed on, then at level 21 the parents learned Swift, which was also not passed on, and finally at level 25 they learned Calm Mind which was not passed on either--meaning the eggs were still getting the original moveset even though the parents moves had almost completely changed... The last few eggs should have had the moves the parents had when I removed them from daycare, yet every single egg had the original set... I've never seen that in all my years of breeding.

Maybe you weren't paying attention before but that's how it's always worked. The game doesn't update the parents moves until you remove them from the daycare.

so got a question may be silly....how to train the ivs of pokemon? the characteristics as i must say?...I know natures are more important then the characteristics and natures have to be trained with the right evs but how does the ivs work?....still learning...

You don't "train" IVs. IVs are like genes. They're determined when the Pokemon is caught/hatched and they never change. Only thing you can do is catch a bunch of Pokemon/Soft reset until you get one with good IVs or you can breed for IVs. In breeding 3 IVs are passed from the parents so if one of the parents has good IVs, there's a good chance the offspring will also have good IVs. You can also use a Power item to pass down 1 IV 100% of the time and in that case 2 other IVs will be passed down from the parents. The last 3 IVs are always generated randomly. This means it's quite easy to get Pokemon with 3 flawless (31) IVs but anything more than that will require a lot of luck.

I made a little post on IV breeding: here

[Uniquekind]

Maybe you weren't paying attention before but that's how it's always worked. The game doesn't update the parents moves until you remove them from the daycare.

Ah. I never noticed this because my parent pokemon are usually leveled beyond learning new moves to avoid wasting a heart scale replacing an overwritten move. This was the first time I used level 1's as parents >.<

[Toge Tamer]

Wait, so whilst breeding for egg moves I needn't have worried about the move being erased through level up in the daycare?

Why didn't anyone tell me this before? XD

[Eeveelover824]

Maybe you weren't paying attention before but that's how it's always worked. The game doesn't update the parents moves until you remove them from the daycare.


You don't "train" IVs. IVs are like genes. They're determined when the Pokemon is caught/hatched and they never change. Only thing you can do is catch a bunch of Pokemon/Soft reset until you get one with good IVs or you can breed for IVs. In breeding 3 IVs are passed from the parents so if one of the parents has good IVs, there's a good chance the offspring will also have good IVs. You can also use a Power item to pass down 1 IV 100% of the time and in that case 2 other IVs will be passed down from the parents. The last 3 IVs are always generated randomly. This means it's quite easy to get Pokemon with 3 flawless (31) IVs but anything more than that will require a lot of luck.

I made a little post on IV breeding: here

oh okay thanks i didn't think so but i was just making sure...the link above you got me extremly confused actually on Ivs. I read yours and it was better thanks...

[VolcaronaZero]

Are wings useful at ALL? They just seem like such a small boost...

They are useful to add specific EV's to areas, for example, if I wanted to train a Pokemon with 252 EV's in HP, I would need 25 HP Up's, but that only gives 250. Another 10 is too much, so just 2 easy to find and free wings are a better choice.

Off topic from quote, but this is my theory:
Breed/Revive(fossil) a Pokemon and do not touch it.
Instead of buying 25 Proteins/Irons/whatever, try to get 25 Battle Points
Buy 25 of select item
Go to a bridge where wings are available, and grab 2 for a total of 252 EV's

Now, if I wanted it to be EV trained like this:
252 Atk
252 Def
4 Spe

I would need to have:
50 Battle Points
2 Muscle Wings
2 defense EV raising wings (I forgot the name, I'll edit later)
4 Swift Wings

It isn't hard to do, just takes some time. Much more accurate and less confusing.

BUT!

If your Pokemon has PKRS, that's when you have to manually EV train on wild Pokemon.

Hope this helps anyone.

[Zuzu14]

They are useful to add specific EV's to areas, for example, if I wanted to train a Pokemon with 252 EV's in HP, I would need 25 HP Up's, but that only gives 250. Another 10 is too much, so just 2 easy to find and free wings are a better choice.

Off topic from quote, but this is my theory:
Breed/Revive(fossil) a Pokemon and do not touch it.
Instead of buying 25 Proteins/Irons/whatever, try to get 25 Battle Points
Buy 25 of select item
Go to a bridge where wings are available, and grab 2 for a total of 252 EV's

Now, if I wanted it to be EV trained like this:
252 Atk
252 Def
4 Spe

I would need to have:
50 Battle Points
2 Muscle Wings
2 defense EV raising wings (I forgot the name, I'll edit later)
4 Swift Wings

It isn't hard to do, just takes some time. Much more accurate and less confusing.

BUT!

If your Pokemon has PKRS, that's when you have to manually EV train on wild Pokemon.

Hope this helps anyone.

Wait wot. Only 10 vitamins per stat.

Get 10 vitamins of each stat boost you want (Carbos and something?), give them to the pokemon, give it pokerus, then battle 15 Lillipups with the Power Something on, and then take it off and get the 2EV's, then battle 15 Sewaddles/Venipedes and then take off the Power Item and battle one more. Then go ahead and battle one Basculin.

You have the method completely wrong.

[VolcaronaZero]

Wait wot. Only 10 vitamins per stat.

-_-

That's new to me.

Alright, then just buy ten Vitamins to get 100 EV's, then go ahead and find 152 wings to get a nice 252.

NYAH!

[Zuzu14]

-_-

That's new to me.

Alright, then just buy ten Vitamins to get 100 EV's, then go ahead and find 152 wings to get a nice 252.

NYAH!

And let's all count the chances of finding 152 wings for a specific stat in 1 day, instead of taking a couple of minutes to EV train! Woot!

[Sabertooth1000000000]

What happens if you EV train more than 252 points in one stat? Do any negative effects occur?

[jolteon135]

What happens if you EV train more than 252 points in one stat? Do any negative effects occur?

The max is 255 per stat, 510 total. There's no negative effects. You'd just be wasting 4 EVs if you maxed out a stat because 255 is not divisible by 4. That's why a lot of sets have 252/252/4.

[VolcaronaZero]

And let's all count the chances of finding 152 wings for a specific stat in 1 day, instead of taking a couple of minutes to EV train! Woot!

EV training manually is actually quite more complex, someone suggested to find 252 wings, care to respond to that post?

[Zuzu14]

EV training manually is actually quite more complex, someone suggested to find 252 wings, care to respond to that post?

Yea, why not. You'd be an idiot to go up and down the bridge for hours on end trying to obtain 252 feathers which give +Attack etc.

[Vendidurt]

i have seen so many people ask how to train and there are so many different ways, but here are two ways

keep in mind that there are EV hotspots with 100% hits for every stat except defense. there are two ways to do it. the fastest way which winds up losing the one extra point (come on, does it REALLY matter?), and then the way i do, which is slower but 100% accurate (turns out it DOES matter, for me!) so, heres the scoop, if youre going for the standard 252/252/4 spread that is so common....

also, im assuming you own all the power items. they are easy enough to pick up - just run through the standard battle subway for singles or doubles for a 21-streak for each item you need to pick up. alternatively, i can sell you power items for something good.... maybe something shiny?? ill give up 3 items for one shiny. also, other interesting trades considered.... just PM me.

Number one - save before training, just in case you mess up in some way. and then save after training. you dont wanna have to do it again unnecessarily in case you drop your DS.

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first and easiest way - spread pokerus to your pokemon.
(if you do not have pokerus available, either:
a. request a donor from anyone on this forum. ill give you a donor for free
b. simply double the number of pokes to battle)
then, decide on the two stats you want to max. head to one of the areas listed below for one of the stats, and slap on the power item for the second stat you want to boost. fight 32 pokemon in a row, with your 'trainee' in the lead spot, and at the first turn available switch to something strong elsewhere in your team. heal up if you need to and head back to the same spot. put on your other power item and battle 20 more pokemon the same way.

EXAMPLE - im training my Mew in Defense and Special D. i spread pokerus to Mew. i put on the power belt (defense item) and i go to Driftveil to surf around and battle frillish. Mew is first in my team, i switch out to Amoonguss at the start of battle and knock them out, keeping track of each one, until i knock out 32 of them, which will max out defense. then i heal up and restore PP if necessary, put on the power band (special D item) and knock out 20 more frillish, and i am done! i will have 255 defense and 255 special d.
as i said before, if you cant manage to get your hands on pokerus, simply double the numbers of pokemon to knock out.

this will take around 20 minutes.

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second way - more complicated! ill just step into the example.
EXAMPLE - i decide that the extra 4 points developed into HP are incredibly necessary for the Jirachi i am training, so i will have 4 HP/252 Defense/252 Special D.

DO EVERYTHING IN THE EXACT ORDER HERE! ANY DEVIATION MAY AFFECT YOUR TRAINING!
1. (do not spread pokerus yet!) i go to driftveil with the power weight (HP item), take out 1 frillish to take care of HP. remove the item and fight one more, for 4/0/2 so far.
2. transfer pokerus to your Jirachi without letting him battle. place him in spot 2 of your team, with your pokerus donor in spot 1 or 3, battle a few more frillish, generally 3 will do the trick. check Jirachi to see if he has pokerus or not. if not, keep fighting the same way until he does.
3. switch Jirachi back into the front of your team. with pokerus, put on the same item for the IV frillish gives out (power band, for special D.) knock out 25 frillish exactly. keep tally marks on paper if you have to. you will wind up with 4/0/252.
4. swap the power band for power belt to boost defense, knock out 32 frillish and you are done! your spread will be: 4 HP/ 252 Defense/ 252 Special D.
5. to confirm you are done, head to opelucid, walk north into the first building past the poke center, and talk to the girl you see. she will say "Your Jirachi.... Put in a great effort!" if she says anything different, you didnt follow my directions exactly, and you will need to redeem it somehow. if its that important, you can reset or fight some other pokemon and hope you get it right.

this will take around 45 minutes.

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keep in mind, if you plan to fight stunfisk or basculin, they give more EVs so you will need to tweak the numbers a bit. ill leave that to you.
Also, in case you are fighting stunfisk and using PP loss to keep track of how many you knock out, remember than they can use the move endure, which will let it survive your KO. plan accordingly!

EV hotspots:

HP
Icirrus City surf - Stunfisk 2EVs
Attack
Route 1 - Patrat or Lillipup 1EV
Sp. Attack
Celestial Tower - Litwick or elgyem 1EV
Sp. Defense
Driftveil City - Frillish 1EV
Speed
Route 3 surf - Basculin 2EV

bear in mind, there is no hotspot for 100% defense. but this is unnecessary as you can get any spread fighting one pokemon a whole bunch of times.

WHEW! this was time-consuming. i hope this helps somebody. PM me for questions or comments. but please, keep it constructive. i dont need to read:
BUT VENDIDERT THAT SPREAD IS A TERRIBEL SPREAD FOR A MEW LOL!!!!!!

[jolteon135]

EV training manually is actually quite more complex, someone suggested to find 252 wings, care to respond to that post?

Lol, what? How is EV training more complex? You look at serebii/some internet site to figure out how many EVs a certain Pokemon gives. Beat those Pokemon over and over and keep track of how many EVs you're getting. Writing down numbers is complex?

EV training spots

[Shockking]

BUT VENDIDERT THAT SPREAD IS A TERRIBEL SPREAD FOR A MEW LOL!!!!!!

It is though... And both of your ways are more complicated than just finding a place to train for a specific stat.

[Blavocals]

Hey there people
I've recently bred a ghastly with my desired nature/characteristic, and i've EV trained it and levelled it to 25 when it evolved into a haunter
now, do I continue levelling it and just evolve it when I can? or should I wait and evolve it before levelling it?
I.e. would evolving it now mean better stats in the end? or would it just be the same no matter when I evolve it?

I've spent a long time on this pokémon already, and I don't wanna continue training it without knowing for sure