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    Default Community POTW #14

    Reno's busy writing the last one so here's the next one



    This week we'll be doing Politoed, the Pokémon who evolves from Poliwhirl with a King's Rock.

    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/186.shtml

    Politoed has got an awesome new ability now so be sure to use that in your sets, especially in regards to partners and Doubles/Triples

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    Erm... okay...

    Stalltoed
    Politoed @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drizzle
    252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid
    -Toxic
    -Scald
    -Protect
    -Swagger

    Toxic to start things up. Swagger to be extremely irritating. Protect to make your opponent tear his hair out. Scald as a damaging move.


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    Standard Option(s)
    Modest/Timid, 252 SpAtk, 252 Speed, 4 HP
    Drizzle, Life Orb
    - Surf / Hydro Pump
    - Ice Beam
    - Hidden Power [Grass] / Psychic
    - Hypnosis / Toxic

    Surf and Hydro Pump have huge power, STAB, and Rain boost, which adds up to huge damage after adding in the Life Orb. Ice Beam has incredible coverage, hitting the dragons that Politoed will probably be facing in higher tiers (Lets face it, he's gone up tiers this generation thanks to Drizzle). HP[Grass] catches other bulky grass types, Psychic catches a majority of the new Fighting types and has more base power. Hypnosis is an incredible, if somewhat risky status move, but Toxic is good to have if you aren't carrying HP[Grass] to take out other bulky waters.

    Partners (Double / Triple Battles)
    Lanturn and Politoed make a great duo with Rain and Thunder, and Dream World Lanturns (Though they aren't that common), can have Water Absorb to pair up with Surf. Almost anything that could use Thunder, should be with Politoed, to take out other bulky waters. Lapras is another good partner for the same reasons as Lanturn. Other than that, you want coverage against bulky grass types, which can be covered with Flying attacks, since Politoed weakens Fire attacks. Crobat with Hypnosis and Air Slash would be an interesting partner, providing extra sleep support and flinching.

    Countering Politoed
    Bulky Grass types, most physical attackers, or anything carrying Thunder. I know that this is a broad list, but here's the math. Politoed has 75 Base Defense which isn't very impressive, only carries Ice Beam to deal with Bulky Grass types, and a solid number of them are faster than Politoed, and Thunder is getting 100% accuracy off of his rain. Galvantula has a party with Politoed, since it's probably already carrying Thunder and Compoundeyes, and Energy Ball is an option for it.
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    What will it take to have Eelektross chosen?

    But I should deal with Politoed. The only real use I see for Politoed in OU is Drizzle. Other than that, I can't think of anything Politoed can do well with. Well, on to the sets. And PLEASE CRITIQUE ME. ESPECIALLY ON THIS ONE.

    Stall
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Drizzle
    EVs: 252 DEF and HP, 4 SPDEF
    @: Leftovers

    -Substitute
    -Toxic/Hypnosis/Protect
    -Toxic/Hypnosis/Protect
    -Scald

    What really sucks about Politoed is that I can't come up with a good nickname for this set! It's a load of poo but oh well. The idea is to, well, stall. Scald is the best offensive move for this set because of the Burn, and inflicting Burn status is awesome.

    The Chosen Toed
    Ability: Drizzle
    Nature: Modest/Timid (Modest preferred)
    EVs: 252 SPATK and SPEED, 4 HP
    @: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf

    -Surf/Scald/Hydro Pump
    -Ice Beam
    -Hyper Voice/Focus Blast
    -Mud Bomb/Focus Blast/Psychic

    Offensive Politoed obviously. Hyper Voice gets the Normal/Water combo, Mud Bomb hits Electric types, and Focus Blast scores hits on Steel types. I put Psychic as an option because Fighting types are becoming much more dangerous with Conkeldurr and Terrakion making their appearance.

    "I'm Singing in the Rain!"
    Ability: Drizzle
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 Speed and HP, 4 Defense
    @: Grip Claw

    -Whirlpool
    -Perish Song
    -Hypnosis/Toxic
    -Protect

    Yay, a special nickname! Moving on. Trap with Whirlpool, activate Perish Song, give it a status, Protect, and switch out!

    Other Moves

    Swagger can confuse
    Choice Band can build a Physical set, but don't.
    Endeavor can be fun
    Encore can be even more fun
    Belly Drum is another Physical route, but don't sacrifice bulk
    Body Slam is a Normal move to compliment selected Water move, but more importantly, adds paralysis as an option
    Water Absorb is an awesome ability if you are using Politoed in a non-rain team. But Politoed's one ticket into the high tiers is Drizzle and there are better Water Absorb Pokemon around like Vaporeon.

    Counters

    Do I need to say more than "Thunder"? I guess I will. Grass types need to watch for Ice Beam, but they work otherwise. One of my top 5 favorites, Eelektross, can probably take a Surf or Scald and KO with Thunder, Thunderbolt, Wild Charge, Zap Cannon (I'll explain once Eelektross gets chosen for POTW), or maybe even Discharge. Lanturn is easily the best counter thanks to the new (but not preferred) Water Absorb and STAB Thunder.

    Since Politoed is more of a stalling Pokemon, Taunt can work wonders. Skill Link Cincinno with Bullet Seed will seal Politoed's fate in an instant, even if it has Substitute up.

    Another option is to change the weather completely, since that's what Politoed is focusing on. Ninetails has Drought, Abomasnow has Snow Warning, and Tyranitar and Hippowdon have Sandstream. It is better to use the rain as a method of destroying Politoed, but weather based teams can clash and destroy Politoed. However, that can work against you at the same time.

    Speaking of Weather, Pokemon with Cloud Nine ability can ruin Politoed, making Golduck a solid choice. Golduck has the brawn to take on Politoed.

    If Politoed is going for offense, Shedinja cannot be touched by Politoed since it has no moves outside of Hidden Power to hit Shedinja.

    Basically, Politoed is a pretty tame Pokemon. It may be annoying, but it is in no way threatening. Countering Politoed is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Partners

    Prankster Volbeat can Baton Pass Tail Glow to Politoed. I chose Volbeat because Tail Glow now boosts special attack three stages instead of two. Other than that, the conventional teammates are used, which is ironically a good chunk of Politoed's counters like Lanturn, Ludicolo, and Galvantula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meowmeow View Post
    Stall
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Drizzle
    EVs: 252 DEF and HP, 4 SPDEF
    @: Leftovers

    -Substitute
    -Toxic/Hypnosis/Protect
    -Toxic/Hypnosis/Protect
    -Scald

    What really sucks about Politoed is that I can't come up with a good nickname for this set! It's a load of poo but oh well. The idea is to, well, stall. Scald is the best offensive move for this set because of the Burn, and inflicting Burn status is awesome.
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    This pokemon is gonna be a lot less useful now that drizzleSwim is banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASB View Post
    This pokemon is gonna be a lot less useful now that drizzleSwim is banned.
    Drizzle/Swim is banned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASB View Post
    This pokemon is gonna be a lot less useful now that drizzleSwim is banned.
    It's only banned by Smogon. Smogon isn't scripture

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    Bulky Attacker
    Modest 252 SpAtk 252 Def 4HP
    Drizzle
    Surf/Hydro Pump
    Ice Beam
    HP Electric/HP Grass
    Toxic

    Hydro Pump can basically destroy anything except other Waters, Grass types, and Dragons. Surf is also an option because it's more reliable, but I'd rather take the risk for the power increase. Ice Beam destroys most dragons as a OHKO, except for some variations of Hydregion and Haxorus, which are an easy 2HKO. HP Electric and HP Grass are used for other water types. HP Electric is better on Tentacruel, Gyrados, and Empoleon. HP Grass is better on Swampert, Carracosta, and Rotom W. Toxic is a nice moves for Eviolite Chansey and some others.

    Other Options:
    Focus Blast can take out some steels, but doesn't have a reliable accuracy. HP Ground can destroy Magnezone, but not much else. Hypnosis can put stuff to sleep, but again is unreliable.

    Single Battle Partners:
    Rotom W is an amazing partner. It can destroy bulky waters and takes minimal damage from them. Rotom W also has Hydro Pump, that gets boosted from rain, and a 100% accurate Thunder. Most things that can destroy Electric, Grass, and Bulky Waters will do fine as partners.

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    Sleep Talk Set
    Modest-252 HP, 120 Sp.Def, 132 Def
    Ability-Water Absorb
    Item- Leftovers
    Rest
    Sleep Talk
    Surf/Scald
    Hyper Voice/Ice Beam

    With no Calm Mind, this isn't nearly as abusive as it could be. Rest and Sleep Talk are self explanatory. Surf is reliable, but Scald has a burn chance. Hydro Pump is usable, but you need reliability for this set. Hyper Voice gives you the Normal/Water combo, whilst Ice Beam hits Grass and Dragons harder. No Drizzle, seeing as Sleep Talk is a 4th gen only move. So rain will have to be set up by someone else.

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    Scarf
    Defensive
    Specs
    Belly Drum

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    Why are there always pokemon from older gen. in the POTW...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nata View Post
    Why are there always pokemon from older gen. in the POTW...?
    This is not the topic for that discussion, but to answer your question; balance. If we were to do all the Gen Vs now, we'd have none for the rest of the generation and that's not on. I've been trying to skew the random number generator so that only non-Gen Vs which haven't been done since before Plat gave us Move Tutors or have major upgrades get done now, but I cannot ignore the 493 non Unova Pokémon just because BW are the current flavour of the month

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    Counters: Because of the Drizzle ability, Thunder now has a 100% accuracy rating. The most common Pokemon with Thunder is probably Galvantula with Compoundeyes, which will do a lot of damage on Politoed, as well as probably paralyse it if it survives. Politoed does have a poor defensive stat, so most physical electric or grass sweepers like Leavanny or Zebstrika should put that toad in its hole (sorry, I just had to make that pun). You can also use a Scrafty with Shed Skin and Amnesia to counter the special attack and effects.

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    Politoed@Coice Specs
    Drizzle
    Modest
    252 HP, 252 SpA, 4 SpD
    -Surf
    -Ice Beam
    -Focus Blast/Psychic
    -Hidden Power[Grass/Electric]
    I guess that 4th Gen Politoed still works for 5th Gen. Surf+STAB+Specs=Ouch. Ice Beam to hit those pesky Grass types. Focus Blast is for Water-Ice types that resist the other moves, and some other Pokémon. Psychic is for the ever so common Poison and Fighting types. HP Grass is for Quagsire, and HP Electric is for Mantine. They both hit Water types.

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    Policolo

    Politoed @Lum Berry
    Drizzle
    Timid
    252 HP, 126 SpA, 126 Spe
    -Surf
    -Scald
    -Hypnosis
    -Rain Dance

    Ludicolo @Leftovers
    Rain Dish
    Timid
    252 HP, 126 SpD, 126 Spe
    -Protect
    -Leech Seed
    -Toxic
    -Rest

    The aim: To annoy, stall, leech and attack.
    Politoed does all the attacking, whilst Ludicolo sets up with Leech Seed and Toxic. Politoed uses Hypnosis and attacks while Ludicolo keeps leeching. With maximum speed on both of them, they will most certainly outspeed a few threats, but will definately last at least one turn with their Bulky HP.
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    Politoed @ Wise Glasses/Leftovers
    Drizzle
    Modest (+ SP. Atk, - Atk)
    252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 4 Def.
    -Surf
    -Ice Beam
    -Mud Bomb/Mud Shot
    -Substitute/Psychic

    Surf is for reliable STAB. Ice Beam for coverage. Mud Bomb if you want higher power, lower accuracy, and accuracy drop chance, Mud Shot if you want lower power, higher accuracy, and speed drop chance. Substitute to annoy. Psychic for the ever common Grass-Poison type combo (good to counter Roserade). Use Leftovers if you run Sub, Wise Glasses if you run Psychic.

    Double and Triple Battle Partners
    Toxicroak with Dry Skin to be healed in rain and as a great Physical Attacker.
    Wash Rotom with Thunder for the no miss in rain.
    Ludicolo with Rain Dish and a completely staller moveset. My ideal moveset, which I've thought about forever is Dive, Giga Drain, Leech Seed, and the final move was Rain Dance, but since Politoed is Drizzling now, I'd put in Substitute or Toxic.
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    Politoed @Leftovers
    Ability: Drizzle
    evs 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 4 HP
    Hypnosis
    Hydro Pump/Scald
    Psychic
    Ice Beam
    HATE is guy. Rain is sooooo mean. Hyponsis is an easy way to switch into a sweeper or you can start killing. I like scald more the hydro pump cause better acc and can burn but its up to you. Psychic and Ice Beam are for coverage.

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    Well for partners, Ludicolo must have a mention, Electric type Pokémon will help counter opposing Water types with 100% Accurate Thunder's. Other Grass types, Flying types and Ground types are also good.

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    I will give Poliwhirl a Pre-Evolution Corner mention because Poliwhirl is faster than both Politoed and Poliwrath. Add an Eviolite and you have something somewhat bulky and quick. With Water Absorb, it has a method of healing. Give it Scald for burning maybe, or Toxic or Hypnosis and you got yourself a somewhat speedy and somewhat bulky annoyer.
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    Pre-Evolution corners are only for commonly used Pre-Evos'. Poliwhirl is prbably in the NFE Tier, which means that it is most likely not getting a Pre-Evo corner feature.
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    ^
    Yep, but Drizzle is only common on Politoed.
    And of coarse, Kyogre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAwesomeOne View Post
    ^
    Yep, but Drizzle is only common on Politoed.
    And of coarse, Kyogre.
    So because it's slightly more common now it's banned? That makes no sense, is Drought/Chlorophyll banned too? How about Snow Warning/Ice Body? Sandstream/Sand Rush?

    That's so stupid, it completely neuters the ability! If all that you're going to be able to do with it is boost your own Surf, you may as well run Water Absorb instead because of risk of Thunder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadeledge View Post
    So because it's slightly more common now it's banned? That makes no sense, is Drought/Chlorophyll banned too? How about Snow Warning/Ice Body? Sandstream/Sand Rush?

    That's so stupid, it completely neuters the ability! If all that you're going to be able to do with it is boost your own Surf, you may as well run Water Absorb instead because of risk of Thunder!
    Quote Originally Posted by TheAwesomeOne View Post
    I have no idea why Drizzle+Swift Swim is banned, I would like to know the answer as well.
    Drizzle + Swift Swim is significantly different from the other weathers + ability combinations. Sandstream + Sand Rush/Power is really good and all, but it has a grand total of two good sweepers, and frankly they can't really wear down each others' common counters that well, especially considering all those common counters have recovery options available. In addition, ground moves don't get boosted by Sandstorm. Drought + Chlorophyll is okay, but it suffers as well, because nothing with STAB fire moves has Chlorophyll. Hail...yeah, lol.

    Rain on the other hand has a huge amount of sweepers available -- Kingdra, Gorybyss, Ludicolo, Omastar, Quilfish, and Kabutops, just to name a few. All of these Pokemon are capable of easily breaking down each others' counters -- Nattorei, for example, the most common answer to rain, is 3HKO'd by SpecsDra's Hydro Pump. In addition, all the water moves, most of which are STABbed, are boosted by 50%. That's a humongous increase. Finally, rain also has the added benefits of increasing Thunder and Hurricane to 100% accuracy, and makes steels neutral to Fire attacks.

    tl;dr, PermaRain's better than the other weathers.

    edit: and lol how is sand more broken

    edit2: to make this post relevant to politoed, Scald/Rest/Hypnosis/FocusBlast is a pretty good set!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadeledge View Post
    So because it's slightly more common now it's banned? That makes no sense, is Drought/Chlorophyll banned too? How about Snow Warning/Ice Body? Sandstream/Sand Rush?

    That's so stupid, it completely neuters the ability! If all that you're going to be able to do with it is boost your own Surf, you may as well run Water Absorb instead because of risk of Thunder!
    No. Only Drizzle + Swift Swim is banned, because it is so common with many rain sweepers (Qwilfish, Gorebyss, Huntail, Kabutops, etc).

    Drizzle + Rain Dish / Hydration / Dry Skin
    Drought + Chlorophyll / Dry Skin / Solar Power / Leaf Guard
    Snow Warning + Snow Cloak / Ice Body
    Sand Stream + Sand Rush / Sand Force / Sand Veil

    Are all legal. Basically, anything that's NOT Drizzle + Swift Swim is legal.
    I believe you are still allowed to use the actual move Rain Dance, with Swift Swim.

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