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[Heavenly Mikaru]

Yes. I dislike how competitive this thread gets sometimes; I get that some people love Smogon and worship the precise movesets/strategy, but we're on Serebii Forums at the moment, not Smogon Forums, so the constant life orb set! Choice scarf set! Drizzle/swift swim combo! back and forth can get a little annoying...not to mention downright confusing for anyone on here who doesn't know what the hell any of those things mean.

And I don't multiquote 'cos I don't know how :P

***Also - this is my first post as a 23 year-old! Squee! ('twas my birthday yesterday)***

^ This is why I'm semi-competitive...

[Aurath8]

Yes. I dislike how competitive this thread gets sometimes; I get that some people love Smogon and worship the precise movesets/strategy, but we're on Serebii Forums at the moment, not Smogon Forums, so the constant life orb set! Choice scarf set! Drizzle/swift swim combo! back and forth can get a little annoying...not to mention downright confusing for anyone on here who doesn't know what the hell any of those things mean.

Competitive battling is just another way of enjoying pokemon. Discussion of competitive pokemon here is just the same as discussing any other topic.

[Valoo.]

Yes. I dislike how competitive this thread gets sometimes; I get that some people love Smogon and worship the precise movesets/strategy, but we're on Serebii Forums at the moment, not Smogon Forums, so the constant life orb set! Choice scarf set! Drizzle/swift swim combo! back and forth can get a little annoying...not to mention downright confusing for anyone on here who doesn't know what the hell any of those things mean.

*Like you even better

I don't mind occasional talking of Smogon-related stuff, but when it can get annoying when it's all people talk about. Good thing Dattebayo's gone.

***Also - this is my first post as a 23 year-old! Squee! ('twas my birthday yesterday)***

Happy belated.

[kaiser soze]

I do understand that the scope of this discussion is much broader than a pokemon's competitive potential. Furthermore there are several things that work fine in-game (case in point this) that don't when you go competitively; every environment is different. However if people want to talk in a competitive context here, I'd like them to actually know what they're talking about. Such as:
    Spoiler:- Don't worry about it if you don't care about competitive pokemon:

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I still don't see why Carracosta isn't at least in BL. Poor speed can be made up with Power or Shell Smash.

OK, several things wrong with your statement
- BL is not a tier; it's the UU banlist. Which means Carracosta would need to get the usage needed to make UU first. Then it would have to be broken in UU to get people to vote for it to be banned.
- Have you seen the UU list? Stuff like Suicune, Snorlax, Zapdoa, Azelf, Kingdra, Mew, Milotic, Victini? Being UU isn;t something to be ashamed of.
- Being in a lower tier isn't a bad thing. It gives you a place to use a less-powerful pokemon without having to be worried about super-powerful pokes.
- Tiers are based on usage, not the subjective qualities of a pokemon. So you should be asking "why don't more people use Carracosta?" And to answer your question: it has quite a few weaknesses thanks to being part Rock, and a good way to get around a bad defensive typing is to be fast.
- Like I said, there's several powerful things that have trouble with speed (or something else), making them less popular. Regigigas, Slaking, Dusknoir, Aggron, Rampardos, Rhyperior, Gigalith, Banette, Archeops, Flareon, Driddgion, Luxray, Elektross, Electivire and Golurk are all examples of powerful pokemon but have significant shortcomings that keep people from using them in higher tiers consistently. So your argument that power alone can put a pokemon in a higher tier is flawed.

 

I don't mind occasional talking of Smogon-related stuff, but when it can get annoying when it's all people talk about. Good thing Dattebayo's gone.

lol. Dattebayo never really understood how Smogon works. His misinformantion is probably responsible for half of those on SPPf that hate Smogon.

And happy late B-Day Sasaki!

*Tries to start a new discussion* Best of the Musketeer trio?

[Valoo.]

lol. Dattebayo never really understood how Smogon works. His misinformantion is probably responsible for half of those on SPPf that hate Smogon

Lol, I know yeah. I argued with him over it. i miss Dattebayo ;-;

*Tries to start a new discussion* Best of the Musketeer trio?

Probably Cobalion or Terrakion. Design wise, I love them both. They look really fearsome. Both have good stats and movepools to use too. For Terrakion, his typing is great, as I always wanted a Rock/Fighting Pokemon. Great STABs.

I don't really like Virizion that much. It's ok, but it just never appealed to me.

I've never used either of them for a team. I tried all three in a Triple Battle once, just for fun. I also used Cobalion for a bit to try him out.

[XXD17]

virizion all the way...I loved cobalion at first because I've always wanted a goat pokemon and we finally got one...but it's pretty lackluster in battle...I love virizion's graceful look and its speed...

[DragonMaster26]

Keldeo, 'nuff said.

And yes he's part of the trio and ive used him on PO.

[The Imposter]

doesn't work...the electric move has to actually do damage or affect the pokemon for cell battery to activate...


one smash isn't going to make it faster than serp, or sceptile, ferrothorn still walls it after a smash, and so does venusaur, skarmory, feraligatr, swampert, torterra...the list goes on...

It gets Ice beam and Hidden Power, allowing it to hit most of the mentioned Pokemon neutrally, though I guess it still has to forgo a STAB move. Nobody really uses Serperior or Sceptile anymore these days, anyway. Of course, he's still mediocre, I just wanted to point that out.

If we're still talking tiers, why is Abomasnow not BL? It is not very shabby by itself, and it sets up for some of the deadliest UU Pokemon such as Mamoswine.

[Bulletproof]

Emolga is also so adorable! Does anybody here agree with me?

Maybe if Elsa's didn't spam volt switch & double team the whole time...

*Tries to start a new discussion* Best of the Musketeer trio?

Cobalion. The epic stache, & a better partner to Whimsiscot.

If we're still talking tiers, why is Abomasnow not BL? It is not very shabby by itself, and it sets up for some of the deadliest UU Pokemon such as Mamoswine.

Mainly due to 7 weaknesses, one of them a four times weakness, poor stats in general, notably speed, & hail is not a very powerful weather, with 2 abilities, residual damage, & blizzard being the only real assets. Lots of common UU can check it.

[POKEMONISDUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!]

Emolga is okay. I don't like how it looks like Pachirisu, though.

[Valoo.]

Nobody really uses Sceptile anymore

I do ;-;

Emolga is really cute, and I actually like it's design. It's my favourite of all the Pikachu clones. Elesa's two Emolga annoyed the heck out of me though. VOLT SWITCH VOLT SWITCH VOLT SWITCH.

[The Eleventh]

Emolga's one of my favourite Gen V Pokémon. I really, really like it, and its anime voice is brilliant. :P

[GenosectArceus]

Speaking of Fighting types, what about Mienshao?
I just noticed it has access to Calm Mind, Bulk Up and Baton Pass. Anyone think it can be a decent baton passer.
ActuallyI see more potential in Medicham with a high speed, high SpDef, and HP to make sure it can utilize at least one CM and BU.

[The_Lens_of_Truth]

Hmmm...well, one Poke I've loved since a child has been Snorlax. He was big and fat and just plain awesome IMO. Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck with it competitively...

[Totodile is BEAST]

@genesectarceus: if anything is a horrible baton passer, it's mienshao. all it has is 60/60 defenses so it won't work and go down in a few

[benlo7]

What do u guys think of salamence

[Moneyy]

What do u guys think of salamence

One of the best dragons in the game in my opinion.

[hyperion33]

What do u guys think of salamence

Salamence used to be one of my favorite Pokemon. I still like it, but not as much.

Was anyone else disappointed when Nintendo got everybody all hyped up for a new game, and then told us that it's PokePark II? It could be a decent game (I never played 1) but I think almost everybody here would prefer a main series game to PokePark.

[thunder_dragon2]

Salamence used to be one of my favorite Pokemon. I still like it, but not as much.

Was anyone else disappointed when Nintendo got everybody all hyped up for a new game, and then told us that it's PokePark II? It could be a decent game (I never played 1) but I think almost everybody here would prefer a main series game to PokePark.

I agree, I would have much preferred a new main series game rather than PokePark II, but then again I've never played PokePark in the first place.

[kaiser soze]

It's not surprising. I'm still putting money on a two-year gap between BW and the next main title, like the last two gens. Although in fairness Masuda hasn't made the announcement yet so...

To answer my earlier question: I'd say Terrakion, then Virizion. I wasn't excited about Terrakion at first but it has ownage written all over it. It gets STAB out of two of the top three physical attack typings.

Virizion is kinda iffy. I like using Giga Drain + CM, but that also means I'm using Focus Miss :/