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    Abizzel1, please stop talking about Alakazam. This is the Swalot POTW.

    I don't see why people think Garbodor and Muk are better than Swalot. Muk can't use Special attacks because his stat is so weak; Swalot can efficiently become Mixed. Same deal with Garbodor. If Swalot comes off as mixed, he can pummel the others.


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    Abra is pwned by any priority move, and they aren't commonly used in play.
    They will mainly do commonly used Pokémon, not everyones Pre-Evos'

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    wow swalot thats a sword from the old rack.
    well i guess its a pretty good staller if you use the right moves.
    I think i swallowed something bad!:
    for this set you want an impish/bold nature depending on move choice later and leftovers or black sludge.
    Stockpile/curse these provide extra bulk and also your choice changes the rest of the set.
    Gunk shot/Venoshock. Provides stab and also it depends on if you want physical or special moves on you big mouthed buddy
    Toxic. obviously why its a staller and it is the best status move and if you use venoshock over gunk shot for your stab move provides a power boost
    Wring out/swallow/(seed bomb 4th gen needed) wring out does a bit of damage to a fresh pokemon in the match swallow provides healing if you use stockpile and seedbomb wipes out ground types meaning you only have to worry about psychic types if you manage to beat the ground types.
    EV's. Bold and impish - 252 def, 252 sp def in the attack stat of your choice or hp i know it doesnt do much but every little helps.

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    Adamant nature with item @ Muscle band to boost attack a little further or life orb for better effect with hp sacrifice (thanks to TheAwesomeOne and WeatherEffectRain for the obvious better suggestion)
    Seed bomb/gunkshot
    icepunch/fire punch/ thunder punch/seed bomb
    curse
    icepunch/fire punch/ thunder punch/bulldoze or earthquake
    This set is obviously built to hit hard if you get the chance and MUST use 4th gen for the punch moves and seed bomb
    Curse Boosts attack damage and allows a little durability at the same time from the defence boost seedbomb is for the ground types if you willing to give up your STAB attack of gunk shot or a punch move slot. the punch moves boost type coverage and ice with thunder gives a psysical bolt-beam alternative once more bulldoze would lower opponents speed and deal damage while adding small type coverage and earthquake is a stronger alternative without the added effect
    Ev's Adamant, 252-attack 252-in either defence stat that depends on which you would prefer and the useless 4 in hp or the opposite defence stat your choice
    just thought i would put this up in case no-one else thought of it.
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    Life Orb over Muscle Band always.

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    Yes. Life Orb over Muscle Band... Muscle Band's power is miniscule.

    Yeh... So yeh. ...

    ...

    SWALOT IS SO BLAND.

    Ugh I can't even figure out what to put next...


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    yeah i'll edit that in thanks but whats your general opinion on the sets if its any possibility criticism helps me
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    Wring Out and Swallow aren't the best.

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    Well, I'd say if you got a good format for it it'd help. Otherwise, yeah, listen to TheAwesomeOne.

    I like this format, so you can use it if you like:

    Underline the name.
    Ability: -----
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    EVs: ---, ---, --- etc
    -Slot1
    -Slot2
    -Slot3
    -Slot4

    That's my format. Use it if you want,
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeatherEffectRain View Post
    Abizzel1, please stop talking about Alakazam. This is the Swalot POTW.

    I don't see why people think Garbodor and Muk are better than Swalot. Muk can't use Special attacks because his stat is so weak; Swalot can efficiently become Mixed. Same deal with Garbodor. If Swalot comes off as mixed, he can pummel the others.
    Muk doesnt to go mixed to outclass Swalot. It has everything Swalot has, 105 Atk, Gunk Shot, and priority in Shadow Sneak. Muk can also wall with 105/75/105 defensive stats further boosted with Acid Armor.

    While Garbodor has Rock Polish, Toxic Spikes, and Spikes.

    Sorry for being OOT :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeatherEffectRain View Post
    Abizzel1, please stop talking about Alakazam. This is the Swalot POTW.

    I don't see why people thinks Garbodor and Muk are better than Swalot. Muk can't use Special attacks because his stat is so weak; Swalot can efficiently become Mixed. Same deal with Garbodor. If Swalot comes off as mixed, he can pummel the others.
    I would have talked about Alakazam in the previous forum if it was not closed, and seeing how there have been some Pre-Evolution corners who are merely decent at doing the job of their evolved form, I thought Kadabra should have had a Pre-Evolution corner as well, since it's a huge threat in it's Tier.

    As for your second comment the reason everyone think Muk and Garbodor are better is because:

    1. Muk outclasses Swalot as a Physical threat and a Special Wal,l forcing Swalot to be a Special attacker. Muk outclasses it in every way. Psychic and Ghost types are a major threats thanks to super effective attack (PSY) a poison resistance (Ghost), but Muk has Shadow Sneak and the attack stat to make any psychic or Ghost think twice before switching in. 4th gen Muk also has Focus Punch which will wreck most Pokemon in the NU, and gives him the ghost/fighting combo. Muk also has Poison Touch now making it's Poison attacks even more deadly.

    2. Garbodor doesn't outclass Swalot, because it's a different threat, however, it's more useful than Swalot. Toxic Spikes and Spikes give it two of the 3 entry hazards, and it has enough speed to set them up before the likes of Foretress/Ferrothron. Also having Aftermath can allow it to sacrifice and take out an annoying Pokemon who's threatening to sweep you.

    And to be honest Amoonguss is a better Special user than Swalot. It has Spore and Stun Spore to get rid of counters trying to switch in, and it's two STAB Energy Ball (better in UU), and Sludge Bomb will do a nice amount of damage. And with Regenerator it's somewhat of a better overall wall than Swalot, only being hindered by the Grass type (Regenerator along with Black Sludge will recover 39% or 40% of Amoonguss max HP).

    Like I said previously Swalot should stick with walling and attacking with Special attacks most notably Acid Spray to try to rack up residual damage from other team members, because outside of that it's doing nothing special.

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    pfft my set was still the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    pfft my set was still the best.
    For OU, yes, but most of us like to use it in UU, where it can actually perform.

    Swalot can perform as a pretty good tank in my eyes, though.


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    I think the POTW generally focuses on OU, or Ubers if it applies. UU doesn't really exist besides PO's stupid tiers and Smogon's thats been around for.. what, half a week?

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    Well, Swalot's pretty bad then. Exceptions are a few viable sets.

    Also, can I get a few notices to my set? I don't think anyone had actually seen it. Page 4, I think.

    Sorry if that sounds like begging. I like to hear feedback, otherwise I'd just consider it a failed set. Oh well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WeatherEffectRain View Post
    Well, I'd say if you got a good format for it it'd help. Otherwise, yeah, listen to TheAwesomeOne.

    I like this format, so you can use it if you like:

    Underline the name.
    Ability: -----
    Item: -----
    EVs: ---, ---, --- etc
    -Slot1
    -Slot2
    -Slot3
    -Slot4

    That's my format. Use it if you want,
    The Intersect.

    Yeah thanks i will and yeah i know those moves arent the best but with swalots move options wring out gets a bit of a headstart on damage and swallow is its best healing option.
    But generally i dont think the sets are too bad i mean the Im on holiday set is unique at that.
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    Er, Wring Out needs a bit more speed to work properly. Not first off, no, but later on you'd need a quick Pokemon to be able to finish them off[Or a Priority move, which Swalot lacks.] before they heal.

    Everyone seems to have different opinions on which moves should be used, but atleast that makes for more sets.
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    This set works best with Entry hazard support.

    Swalot@Black Sludge
    Liquid Ooze
    Sassy - 252 HP/4 Def/252 Sp.Def
    -Yawn/Encore
    -Acid Spray
    -Stockpile
    -HP Fight/Ice Beam/Dream Eater

    Most people seem to be forgetting that Swalot gets Acid Spray. While it is a weak Poison attack, keep in mind that it always lowers the opponent's Sp.Def by two stages meaning the attack will do more damage as the opponent stays in. Stockpile is to boost your defenses whereas Encore can help you save some time for getting those boosts. Yawn, like Acid Spray, is to force switches, furthering the need for Entry Hazard support to aid Swalot. The last slot is up to preference. HP Fight is Swalot's only offense against Steels who are immune to Acid spray. Ice Beam can one shot Dragons and gets a lot of coverage. Dream Eater is an option if your opponent stays in on Yawn, though once the move is revealed, the opponent will be even further tempted to switch.

    The idea behind this set revolves completely around Entry Hazard support. Also note that Swalot is the second strongest STAB user of Acid Spray behind Tentacruel, disregarding Accelgor who does not gain STAB from this attack. No Sp.Atk EVs are invested in this set since Acid Spray lowering Sp.Def is the key element in this set.

    I haven't tried this set yet, but I'm confident in this one. Swalot is a very bulky Poison type with access to Stockpile. Muk can do the same too, but he's more physical than special, and most sets prefer physical moves to use. Tentacruel doesn't get Stockpile and Garbodor is also more physical than special. This set is something Swalot can do by himself.

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    ^That's exactly what I said earlier, what with people thinking I talk about him being a powerhouse whereas Muk/Garbodor isn't -- I don't think that. Muk is Physical, Garbodor is Physical, Swalot is Mixed. Although they work better as Walls then Tanks usually. Oh well.


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    Just thought of another set whilst thinking of random stuff...

    I am Swalot, hear me Yawn!
    Ability: Sticky Hold
    Nature: Modest
    Item: Big root
    Moves:
    Yawn
    Block
    Dream Eater
    Acid Spray

    It's really just a gimmick set, swalot can get quite a few of these :L
    Like many of his other sets this one requires a trip back to 4th gen in order to get Block, which is to keep them from switching when you use yawn on them, then you use acid spray in the down time in-between the turn you use yawn, and the turn they fall asleep use dream eater, which will recover your health, which is nice
    Invest IV's in special Attack and Defence, then Hp.
    Mmmmm Steel types...

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    ^Actually, that isn't too bad, it just needs a few turns to work. Lucky thing for Swalot though: he can be a great wall. That actually might make it in, Intersect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WeatherEffectRain View Post
    ^Actually, that isn't too bad, it just needs a few turns to work. Lucky thing for Swalot though: he can be a great wall. That actually might make it in, Intersect.
    I'm Jeggyg dammit!
    I know that we have similar avitars... but still...
    Mmmmm Steel types...

    It seems to me, you lived your life like a Litwick in a Whirlwind, never knowing who to Klink to when the Drizzle set in, and i Sudowoodo like to know you, when I was just an Elekid , but the Litwick burned out long before the legend ever did...

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    Oh yes. Sorry.

    I'm guessing it happens?

    Oh well.


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    hmm since my last post I've been thinking about my choices a bit and made a new set. this first new set relies on being able to take a hit and is definitely open to criticism as it definitely needs improvement
    Curse you and your status effects
    Ability:Liquid ooze/gluttony
    Item: with liquid ooze - Black sludge. with gluttony - Ganlon berry
    Natures: relaxed/ sassy/ impish
    Curse/acid armor
    encore/toxic
    Swagger
    Gunk Shot/Sludge bomb/acid spray/Venoshock
    Curse is for attack bulk as well and defense and is only used in a gunk shot set otherwise use acid armor for the double defense boost
    Encore can allow for swalot to get some offense in if used on the right pokemon at the right time
    Toxic is an alternate option for stalling out or causing switches and do some damage too
    Swagger in combination with encore can be lethal as you can minimize the right of getting hit hard with encore then confuse with swagger and make them cause serious damage in the meantime
    the final move is to prevent you from being taunt bait gunk shot goes with curse for extra offense. sludge bomb is for stab because swalot doesn't have many pysical stab options at all. acid spray works if you think you can last a few turns lowering the opponents sp defence and slowly hitting harded each turn. venoshock goes on toxic sets really for obvious reasons.
    EV's depending on nature your Impish - max attack and defence 4 ev's hp. Sassy/relaxed max sp def and def, 4 ev's in sp attcack
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    If only it got Baton Pass....

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