Eight Ain't Enough! (388)

[Ash's new pokemon]

Excuse me, but we said it REPEATEDLY not to speculate anything in this topic and not to ask for a guide when we did not have it available. If you people actuall followed the damn rules, we wouldn't have had to type in large letters so you people could actually READ the damn thing. --;

I was out of line for asking about episode summaries. It is within your right to tell me I broke a rule. However you do not need to talk down to me while doing it.

While we are on the subject of this rule violation, why can't we speculate about the episode I thought this is a thread about this episode. What is there to discuss about an episode most of us haven't seen or know much about, if not to speculate on what will happen?

Just FYI, I was not asking serebii or any administrators about posting episode summaries. In the past a few nice posters who have seen the show and can translate it have given a brief episode sumation before serebii and staff have the time to put up pics or official episode summaries.

[Chris]

Because the episode already aired. There's no need to speculate about something that's already aired. There was a speculation thread but that was open before the episode aired. There is to be no speculating in episode discussion threads.

[PDL]

it's times like these that I wish Dogasu was in Japan again :\

[Tamer Zack]

Did Milotic even have a voice in this episode? Because I remember the last time it made anappearance it did'nt say anything or make a voice.

[Chris]

If there's not even a summary for it yet, how are we s'possed to answer that? o_o

[Logos]

I'm a big fan of this site. I deeply appreciate all the hard work everyone here does, but the attitudes and reactions of certain admins and moderators has sometimes troubled me. Please keep in mind that the vast majority of the people your dealing with are children. Even worse, excited children. There are a lot of rules on how, where and when to post on subjects. It is easy to imagine a young person making mistakes out of excitement or anticipation. Please keep that in mind when choosing the language and tone of your messages.

I believe the episode 'speculation thread' for this episode was closed. Perhaps if speculations are such an issue people should return to that thread until someone can post a summary of the events of this new episode?

Moderators, please moderate yourselves. If people are breaking the rules handle it in a mature manner. Do what you have to do, but be mature. You are role models for the people who visit this fine site.


In the meantime, I too cannot wait until an episode summary is posted. But I shall wait, and be better for it. Thanks again for all your hard work.

In Eager Anticipation,

~Logos

[Geodude]

There's nothing wrong with what Murg and Edward are doing. These people have been asking the same questions when they've already been repeatedly answered on the thread. If people could just be bothered to use a little common sense and READ, this problem would not exist.

[Yamato-san]

actually Logos, very few of the people I've seen here are children. The 'vast majority' of members here are in their teens. Hell, I bet you anything that if you look in the profile of all these 'excited' people you referred to, I'm betting a good deal of them will be 13-16, assuming their age is even listed.

[Golden Darkness]

Quick and dirty summary:

Grovyle vs. Luvdisc: Grovyle can't break out from the effects of Sweet Kiss, allowing for a clean hit from Luvdisc's Water Gun. Grovyle faints.
Corpish vs. Luvdisc: Due to Corpish Crab Hammering the water, some of the displace water falls down in a drizzle, allowing Luvdisc to use Swift Swim. However the drizzle ends, and Corpish Crab Hammers Luvdisc. Luvdisc faints.
Corpish vs. Whiscash: Whiscash uses its weight to flatten Corphish. Corphish faints.
Swellow vs. Whiscash: Despite getting hit with a Hyper Beam, Swellow is still strong enough to hit Whiscash with a couple of Aerial Aces. Whiscash faints soon after. On a side note, Whiscash is able to use its whiskers to grab things, and one of the aerial aces was done underwater.
Swellow vs. Milotic: Swellow hits Milotic with an Aerial Ace, but Milotic retaliates by blasting Swellow into the ceiling with a column of water(unsure of attack name).Swellow faints.
Pikachu vs. Milotic: Pikachu uses Thunder, but Miltotic uses Recover(or something similar) to undo the damage. Milotic and Pikachu both use Iron Tail, but Milotic's is stronger. Miltotic then engulfs Pikachu in a column of water, but Pikachu uses Thunder to blast out and then Quick Attacks Milotic. Milotic uses Hyrdo Pump, but Pikachu dodges and uses Thunderbolt. Milotic uses Recover again. Milotic dives into the water, while Ash figures out a way to prevent Milotic from using Recover. When Milotic resurfaces in front of Pikachu, Ash tells Pikachu to force Milotic back underwater. Pikachu does so, and when both are underwater, Pikachu uses Thunder. Milotic faints.

As for Team Rocket, the Adan disguise is so they can put on a show at the amphitheater, but they are soon found out and blasted off by one of the locals.

[Fizban]

Golden Darkness, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

I get the weird feeling that Corphish being ko'd by Whiscash is a pretty funny moment. Then again, it is hard to have Corphish be shown without cracking a smile.

[Grovyle]

Oh freakin joy, just as I predicted. Grovyle gets KOed without getting the chance to put up a decent fight and Pikachu hogs all the glory. *sigh* Well, at least Corphish finally gets some retribution from his previous losses. I can only hope Grovyle does too as they're training for the league.

[Chris]

Pikachu getting all the glory? Pikachu only beat Azumaou and Mirokarosu. Two out of five is hardly what I'd call being a glory hog. o_O; Be thankful that Heigani and Oosubame actually had some lengthy battling times in these Gym Battles.

I don't think it's really a shock that Juputoru lost. It WAS immobilized to begin with and Rabukasu did seem pretty strong.

[frednmethod]

Okay, judging by the little summary only (and NOT the specifics of the battle), i've decided that i don't like this episode at all.

The reason is simple: Grvoyle gets beaten by a WATER GUN of some stupid little heart thingy (one of weakest pokemon in the games, and therfore looked down by many), while Pikachu saves the day for the GOD KNOWS HOW MANY TIMES.
The only good thing about this episode was that Swellow was able to beat Whiscash.

Sigh... that could have given grovyle the honor as it had been beaten by Drake before... but noooooooo. The little yellow rat gets the spotlight AGAIN!

Maybe my mind could change after actually seeing the episode, but I seriously hate the outline of the whole battle.

[Yamato-san]

OK, that is seriously ****ed up. Not only does Pikachu hog all the glory yet again, but Juptle went out in a way that's just unforgiveable. One Angel's Kiss, one Water Gun, and it's out? Golden Darkness, are you serious, are you sure there's not more to it than that? Without even getting worn out by a previous opponent, without landing a successful blow to its opponent, barely doing a thing in this whole gym battle where it should be at an advantage, the same Pokemon that took a Kekking's Hyper Beam to the face and still kept going is tooken out by a status effect and just one measly Water Gun from a Lovecus? It couldn't even be a slightly more powerful Water Pulse like it used earlier? God, that is wrong.

Looks like Heigani and Coatoise aren't the only Pokemon that need retribution between here and the league. I can only hope the long-expected evolution for the guy will arise soon.

[frednmethod]

OK, that is seriously ****ed up. Not only does Pikachu hog all the glory yet again, but Juptle went out in a way that's just unforgiveable. One Angel's Kiss, one Water Gun, and it's out? Golden Darkness, are you serious, are you sure there's not more to it than that? Without even getting worn out by a previous opponent, without landing a successful blow to its opponent, barely doing a thing in this whole gym battle where it should be at an advantage, the same Pokemon that took a Kekking's Hyper Beam to the face and still kept going is tooken out by a status effect and just one measly Water Gun from a Lovecus? It couldn't even be a slightly more powerful Water Pulse like it used earlier? God, that is wrong.

Looks like Heigani and Coatoise aren't the only Pokemon that need retribution between here and the league. I can only hope the long-expected evolution for the guy will arise soon.

you took the words right out of my mouth.

Did the writers think that we would actually be bouncing with joy when we see pikachu get the spotlight AGAIN? I don't understand them at all. It's like every time we see pikachu using thunderbolt, thunder or iron tail. I can't express into words how disappinted I am about this battle.

[Chris]

Again, there wasn't much Juputoru could do. IT COULD NOT MOVE BECAUSE OF SWEET KISS. Because of that, it has no control over defending itself from an attack. And remember, game logics do not always apply here. Otherwise, Oosubame wouldn't have taken on the beatings it's taken before. Just because Rabukasu is one of the weakest in the games, doesn't mean it can't have some good usage in the anime. Don't compare the two. --; And again, Pikachu only battled TWICE. How the hell is that stealing anyone's glory? e_e

[Golden Darkness]

OK, that is seriously ****ed up. Not only does Pikachu hog all the glory yet again, but Juptle went out in a way that's just unforgiveable. One Angel's Kiss, one Water Gun, and it's out? Golden Darkness, are you serious, are you sure there's not more to it than that? Without even getting worn out by a previous opponent, without landing a successful blow to its opponent, barely doing a thing in this whole gym battle where it should be at an advantage, the same Pokemon that took a Kekking's Hyper Beam to the face and still kept going is tooken out by a status effect and just one measly Water Gun from a Lovecus? It couldn't even be a slightly more powerful Water Pulse like it used earlier? God, that is wrong.

Looks like Heigani and Coatoise aren't the only Pokemon that need retribution between here and the league. I can only hope the long-expected evolution for the guy will arise soon.

There's a little bit more to Grovyle's loss. Ash gave a command to Grovyle but the only thing that Grovyle did was pound his head on a column. Brock did tell Ash to recall Grovyle but Adan ordered a Water Gun.

[Yamato-san]

I'm not applying game logics. Whether or not Juptle could defend itself, it still should be able to stand up after one Water Gun (because as I said earlier, it took a Kekking's Hyper Beam to the face. That should seriously do a lot more damage that one stream of water, however high-pressured it is, to the torso or whatever). And as I was saying earlier, that Lovecus knows Water Pulse, which is of course more powerful than Water Gun (even in the anime, judging by the fact that an Ametama had to use it to break a rock). Use it to take out Juptle, it would've been a lot less degrading.

But Golden Darkness, thank you for telling me Juptle at least gave himself severe cranial damage in his confusion before getting hit by that lone Water Gun. It makes me feel a little better over Juptle's loss.

[Chris]

I'm not applying game logics. Whether or not Juptle could defend itself, it still should be able to stand up after one Water Gun (because as I said earlier, it took a Kekking's Hyper Beam to the face.

Big difference there. It was able to move while battling Kekking. It could not after Rabukasu's Sweet Kiss had taken effect.

That should seriously do a lot more damage that one stream of water, however high-pressured it is, to the torso or whatever). And as I was saying earlier, that Lovecus knows Water Pulse, which is of course more powerful than Water Gun (even in the anime, judging by the fact that an Ametama had to use it to break a rock). Use it to take out Juptle, it would've been a lot less degrading.

Considering Juputoru cannot move, it's a sitting duck and leaves it self open to taking an attack hard and taking the impact of a fall without the ability of helping itself up. A bonk to the noggin, blast to the body and fall to the ground would hurt quite alot if you had no way of softening your fall. o.O

[Alfonso]

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Regardless of whether Grovyle could move or not, a Water Gun shouldn't have been able to defeat him. Being able to move has nothing to do with it... you either take the damage or you don't. Grovyle took the damage, and lost. I for one think it's disgusting... even more so considering that Pikachu IS is Glory Hog and DID grab the glory ONCE AGAIN. I mean, seriously. He's been around for ages now, and has had lots of screen and battling time, so I think that maybe, just maybe, the scriptwriters should ease off a bit.

Oh, and one more point about Grovyle that nobody has seen fit to mention~ Water Gun is a Water type attack. Grovyle is a Grass type, so the damage should have at least been halved. If I recall correctly, Bulbasaur soaked up Electabuzz's Thunderbolt in the Orange League Championship Battle, and he wasn't even moving at the time.

Final Thought: Pikachu should get only one battle in the Houen League. Tops.