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    I think some of you guys need to get out more because I've definitely met characters with Langley's personalities before. I don't think the writers were trying to hard to make her *****y at all, some people are just like that even in real life. We need characters like this every once in a while,it can't be "Oh I'm an antagonist but not all that bad" all the time. The writers did their job making Langley hated builds up hype. Anyways great episode overall.

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    Thats what we have ghetsis for a power hungry man thats willing to manipulate everything. His son on the other hand really is too fictional. That said I do hope he appears in the anime perhaps even as someone from dreydens village(hydriegon is his best pokemon in the games). Hell maybe have a episode where in flashback drayden tries to stop ghetsis but gets his arse kicked
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    Quote Originally Posted by gliscor&yanmega View Post
    Got confused at one point. I thought when Iris and Excadrill were training it was a flashback...then Ash and Cilan came in lol.
    Don't worry, so did I. xD

    Anyway, I loved this episode. I really like Iris as a character, so it's always great to see her get some development, especially this deep. Kid Iris was so cute, especially when she kept getting knocked out by Drillbur. xD I really like her Excadrill a lot more too, now that we know why it was disobedient in the first place. I personally think this backstory was a refreshing change from the standard "strong Pokemon doesn't respect weak trainer, trainer saves Pokemon from danger, Pokemon listens now" plot for previous disobedient Pokemon (see: Primeape, Charizard, and Mamoswine). The battles in this ep were really good, especially the 2nd Iris vs Langley battle (Drill Run's animation looked amazing). Here's hoping Excadrill makes more appearances now, and that Iris starts to get more real battles in. I'm also hoping Langley makes more appearances as a recurring rival for Iris as the series goes on. Her personality made her really easy to dislike, but she was no a slouch in battle, which makes for a great anti-hero/antagonist, imo.

    Just a side note, I think it's kinda cool to see that Iris is actually somewhat justified in criticizing Ash's battle skills, considering she's been a trainer for at least a couple of years longer than Ash, even by the anime's timeline (and was actually a pretty good one at that). Before, people were complaining because they were expecting her to be a new trainer, but this makes a little more sense now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunyshore.com View Post
    i understand i am playing into it, that they make these characters extremely annoying for a reason, and yes, i have known real people in my life who act this way. i said i hate these characters being in pokemon, i don't think i said SHE was "poor writing" though. if i did well, it's 5:40 AM XD i will explain what i do think is poor writing, however.

    okay, here is my real problem, and i mentioned it multiple times as well. the lack of response. why do they all just stand there like idiots letting this girl act reprehensible? it almost gives the message "it's okay to act like this, nobody will stop you", and this happens all the time in pokemon. characters entire personalities will change based on if the plot calls for nasty behaviour to be okay, or not okay. when it should ALWAYS be not okay.

    dento threw a fit over a single leaf falling into his stew. but he just stands there doing nothing when this girl eats the entire breakfast he made?

    ash almost always loses it over food. hell, the entire shaymin/ash relationship started because she ate their pancakes. ash will have a reaction to a tiny cute pokemon that looks half dead eating pancakes, but not to this girl, who's already expressly stated her trainer's goal is to seek out dragon trainers from ryuu no sato and destroy them?


    so i suppose i do think there is poor writing going on somewhat, but it's nothing that we don't see all the time... main character's entire personalities changing if necessary for an episode's one-time plot... meh!!


    let me say something else that bothered me. WHY WHY did iris send out her low-level little kibago against that gigantic bear?? that baby could barely defeat a level one, newly hatched zuruggu and she sends it out against the bear. i know it finally mastered its move but that doesn't automatically mean it can defeat high-leveled opponents...who are ice-type... poor poor little baby.


    for the record. i did NOT hate this episode. but i was extremely frustrated with how some characters acted so weirdly.
    Langley wanted to fight dragon types

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    Gotta say, the writers are doing their job in making Langley a hated character as I found her obnoxious after the first 43 seconds of the episode. I mean she goaded Iris into battle and then later ate a breakfast that she knew wasn't for her, just because. Shame really because as far as character designs go, I like it, though is is just me or does it look like she got her boots right out of Dawn's closet?

    But other than her, I like the development that iris and Excadrill got in the episode and it shedding light on their relationship and why he acted the way he did. Nice to see him even learn Focus Blast which'll definitely help Iris if she battles Langley again in the future. And maybe now that Excadrill has made up with Iris, we'll be able to see him out more with the other pokemon and see how he interacts with them.

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    lol, Drayden is all beard. And that old woman who gave Iris Axew looked evil.

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    LOL at Iris getting beat up and dragged away over and over. Finally Excadrill is listening to her and we can all be happy.


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    I would like to see Iris battle Drayden when they reach the 8th gym. It seemed like he gave the old lady a nod when he was finished fighting Iris. It would be cool if her axew evolved like the 5th gym and during a battle with his drudignon it evolves to haxorus and they both knock each other out. Then comes excadrill vs haxorus and he ends up coming out on top by a hair maybe knocking haxorus out then fainting right after the match. Does anyone else think him nodding to the old lady and her giving iris the axew is forshadowing toward her possibly becoming the new gym leader like Isaid?

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    Damn this show is awesome :-)

    This show keeps getting better. A rival that's not so jerkish but at the same time a real *****. Better Pokemon characterization. And more character complexity.

    Kibago lasted pretty long against Tsunbear nice job, but there's no way he could beat a Pokemon when he just started beating Zuruggu. Icicle Drop is kinda like Dragon Meteor Down Pour, I wonder if Kibago could learn Dragon Meteor Down Pour to counter it. But, yeah can't believe Rangurei just goes around looking for Dragon trainers and Masters to beat up. Rangurei's right, Iris does need another Dragon Type Pokemon.

    Can't believe Rangurei is Mijumaru's voice. Love the way she said, "Tsunbear" and her attitude and the things she said, though she was acting kinda rude like Shuuti using "Kimi".

    I loved the story. I love the way Iris met Doryuuzu when he was a Mogurewu and he was a trouble makers. After trying and trying again she finally got Mogurewu and beat him in a battle and the two started training together to get stronger. That jumping around and kicking to beat Mongurewu was amazing. The way that little thing could take down such strong Pokemon. The way he held her and she held him and how much they love each other. Doryuuzu was really devastated over that loss, I mean damn white eyes like he was really dying and hurt on the inside.

    I'm surprised Doryuuzu was so little, I thought that thing would be huge but, it's little compared to Iris. From what Iris and Dento were saying, Doryuuzu knew from that first attack that he could not win that battle, but Iris kept pushing him and pushing him to fight a battle that he knew he couldn't win.

    The apology was so heart felt. Judging from the flash backs before Iris met Satoshi and Dento Iris tried and tried and tried to show she wanted to still be his friend. To play with him and train, offer him apples, and all types of stuff, but he just didn't want to interact with her.

    I can't believe he went to all that just to learn Militancy Blast just to please her makes sense since he loves her and he needed her just to master it. He really isn't like Mamoo or Lizardon at all. I hated Lizardon and Mamoo for being smug *** holes who think there above there trainers, but I'm glad Doryuuzu's reason was a good reason. Hell they stayed up all night training together just like the old days just to beat Rangurei's Tsunbear.

    I would have preferred Rangurei be picking her teeth with a toothpick not wiping her face with a handkerchief it would have made her look waaaaaaay more badass, since I think she looks like a biker chick. She really stayed cool in battle even though Tsunbear kept getting attacked. Iris screaming Doryuuzu's name really gave him the energy to continue even though he was down for the count. I really thought Tsunbear had won for a second there. Not sure if I mentioned this but, I love the Liberty Garden music that played after the battle, this being a draw opens up the door for the ドラゴンバスター to appear again. The smug way she returned Tsunbear to it's ball and sticking it to Dento's cooking lol. That hugging at the end to showed there renewed friendship and that they love each other was awesome.

    Please let Rangurei appear again. She's tooooooooooooooooooooooooo good a chance to pass up! She's not a absolute ***** like Urara and Harley, but she has more to her character and has better things to do. Other then make her rival look bad the way Urara and Harley did pretty much all the time. She wants to get stronger, she's a serious girl rival. None of that girly ******** that Bel, Cabernet, and Urara pulled all the time. She's trying to beat strong trainers and she left with a tie, I don't even think she was trying too hard I mean Tsunbear sent Doryuuzu flying. She needs to come and show up again with more Pokemon maybe the evolved forms of Banipuuchi? Or maybe Tsunbear's pre-evolved form? Heck, it can be a none-ice type with Ice moves. Rangurei is just a gift wrapped up in a red bow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    It wasn't necessarily the attack Iris kept commanding against Haxorus.. If I'm right, she ordered four different attacks: Metal Claw, Slash (or Fury Swipes), Dig and Drill Run..

    It was Excadrill that thought that Iris had put him up against an opponent he couldn't possibly hope to win against, and that Iris did so because she thought that Excadrill was capable of doing so. Of course it lost, and got upset at Iris for not listening to him when it said to her that he couldn't beat Haxorus, right before Iris ordered Dig/Drill Run, and at the same time ashamed that it lost and betrayed Iris' trust in it..
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    Can someone just verify a couple of things for me?

    If Iris, when she had Drilbur, looked about, if she is 10 now, only 7 or 8 back then? With a Pokemon, would she have been eligible to do the gym and league challenges? If so, why dont loads of trainers befriend Pokemon at young ages and go out into the wild?




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    Quote Originally Posted by d4rk_tailed View Post
    Can someone just verify a couple of things for me?

    If Iris, when she had Drilbur, looked about, if she is 10 now, only 7 or 8 back then? With a Pokemon, would she have been eligible to do the gym and league challenges? If so, why dont loads of trainers befriend Pokemon at young ages and go out into the wild?
    Most trainers have parents, even if it's just their mom. Iris is pretty much an orphan and can do whatever the hell she wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d4rk_tailed View Post
    Can someone just verify a couple of things for me?

    If Iris, when she had Drilbur, looked about, if she is 10 now, only 7 or 8 back then? With a Pokemon, would she have been eligible to do the gym and league challenges? If so, why dont loads of trainers befriend Pokemon at young ages and go out into the wild?
    Because the writers wanted it so....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Poke View Post
    Most trainers have parents, even if it's just their mom. Iris is pretty much an orphan and can do whatever the hell she wants.
    Orphan? Really? Cheers man, didnt even know she was an orphan, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by shac View Post
    Because the writers wanted it so....
    Eesh, Im not saying it as if its real life, just suggesting that this idea could have been brought into force so much earlier in the show, supposing Pokemon fill the whole Pokemon world in the animé.




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    Quote Originally Posted by d4rk_tailed View Post
    Orphan? Really? Cheers man, didnt even know she was an orphan, thanks.
    They didn't show her parents yet, why does people thinks she is an orphan? Just because they didn't appear doesn't mean that she doesn't have any parents. Can we be a little bit more logical please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kariris View Post
    They didn't show her parents yet, why does people thinks she is an orphan? Just because they didn't appear doesn't mean that she doesn't have any parents. Can we be a little bit more logical please?
    She obviously doesn't have any. The elder didn't consult them when she gave Iris an axew. They weren't there either when she won their local tournament. I would imagine meeting the dragon master is a pretty important thing.

    Any self respecting parent would also have done something if their daughter came home covered with bruises every single day.

    Heck she is the only dark skinned person in her hometown iirc. White/asian people don't randomly pop out black kids. Anime or not.

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    Just watched the episode without subs. It would've been great to know what they were saying :P. Anyways, I loved how we got to learn more about Iris and her past. And FINALLY, Doryuzu listens to her :3.

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    Definitely one of the best BW episodes. I wasn't really feeling Iris as a character before this, but with the development she received, she became a lot more interesting. If Langley appears again as a recurring rival for her, it will give her a nice, solid role as a secondary protagonist.

    I think Langley VS. Iris 2 might be the best battle in BW thus far. It wasn't long and it wasn't elaborate, but it was extremely action-packed and fast-paced, making it very, very exciting to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotpika View Post
    Can't believe Rangurei is Mijumaru's voice. Love the way she said, "Tsunbear" and her attitude and the things she said, though she was acting kinda rude like Shuuti using "Kimi".

    Really? I always thought Mijumaru was done by Ikue (Pikachu), since they sound alike to me.
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    At least it wasn't Buster Baxter after all..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by The sandwich View Post
    At least it wasn't Buster Baxter after all..........
    What made you think.........THAT?

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    This was a great episode. Iris was serious with her training, that's why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenosectArceus View Post
    This was a great episode. Iris was serious with her training, that's why.
    Excadrill can use Aura Sphere?!?! Or what is that?
    It's Focus Blast.
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    I'm gald that Excadrill is listening, but I wish that it wasn't overnight. And the flashbacks were cool, especially seeing Drayden and Haxorus.

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    Really, the writers are doing a magnificent job with Ash´s compannions now that there isn´t a sidequest, knowing Iris and Cilan is loving them:

    - Looks like this season is the "Girl Power" season, Ash with Bianca, Cilan with Cabernet (hopefully) and Iris with Langley, I hope this girl keeps appearing, everybody needs a "Harley" rival
    - So, for Iris, everyone is "such a child", even a girl that looks more "developed" than her
    - Even losing, Axew´s battle was pretty good, he acted very brave and attacked even when his oponent was an Ice-type Pokémon, I think the next step in his training is resistence
    - Iris should caught that Deerling, I want Deerling in the main cast, anyway, when we got to see a Deerling that is not Spring Pink?, almost a year, and is still spring
    - So, Drillbur was Iris´s first Pokémon huh?, that´s new and unexpected but ... I kinda expected that Iris caught him all by herself
    - Haxorus vs. Excadrill was huge, and Drayden looking at the old lady that gave Axew to Iris seems like a bright future to her
    - And Cilan used his Connosieur abilities ... at last
    - And Excadrill wasn´t an idiot, just being ashamed to let Iris down AND felt pressured by her, wow, Pokémon sure has deeper personalities than main characters sometimes
    - Wow, Langley sure can eat, and eat fast, a breakfast for three in a couple of minutes, she had to throw a burp of satisfaction after that feast
    - Excadrill vs. Beartic 2 has to be one of the best matches in this series, is good to see two punches collide and not making an explosion and the double KO makes room to another Langley episode ... or that´s what I hope so

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